hayabusa add on?

[cleppla]

I had seen a kit to add an alternator to the hayabusa motor. This is done with a shaft off the one side of the motor.  I was wondering doing that same type of setup and using it for a powersteering unit.

Might it work?

Second question. Would you want powersteering on a buggy?


Here is a link to the kit I was talking about. 

http://hayabusaalternator.com/home.html

[artie on edge]

Good question. Power steering? It largely depends upon the size of the machine. The geometry of the front end and wheel sizes. The intended useage (racing or play). The surface it will run on. How long it will be in use (a few 10 minute blasts or a 3 hour haul). Who is using the car (you or your wife or children) and how strong they are.

Once you have the answer to all those questions you will probably be able to answer the question yourself. There is no yes or no answer. Sorry to be a PITA.

GENERALLY, for small machines...nah...... larger machines probably/possibly yes.

I think Fabrs has an electric unit installed but its in the larger scale range for a bike powered beasty. Mine is a racing mongrel and is small and Im large so I wont be installing it anytime soon.

 

[Yoshi]

I ran an alternator and a power steer unit off the motor.  I'm currently building one with an electric power steer though.....

[fabr]

Good question. Power steering? It largely depends upon the size of the machine. The geometry of the front end and wheel sizes. The intended useage (racing or play). The surface it will run on. How long it will be in use (a few 10 minute blasts or a 3 hour haul). Who is using the car (you or your wife or children) and how strong they are.

Once you have the answer to all those questions you will probably be able to answer the question yourself. There is no yes or no answer. Sorry to be a PITA.

GENERALLY, for small machines...nah...... larger machines probably/possibly yes.

I think Fabrs has an electric unit installed but its in the larger scale range for a bike powered beasty. Mine is a racing mongrel and is small and Im large so I wont be installing it anytime soon.

 

Yes I will be using a unisteer electric power steering assist.I have no idea if it will work well or not.If it fails tho there is no additional drag from its failure. If it overheats it just shuts down till cooled. THey are a straight through design.There are others using it but I have not heard of the long term results.  I agree that on smaller buggies there is likely no need for it. I pretty much agree with Artie on this. FWIW I do not like the idea of using a hydraulic PS unit on these buggies due to the parasitic HP losses and the fact that if a hose or belt breaks you will have added a bunch of steering effort into the car. IMO , that's bad if you are in the middle of nowhere with a long drive back. I'd prefer to use the large alternator and electric PS assist for that reason and the fact that a busa does not put out enough amps to run a bunch of extra lighting for long periods of time such as all night rides with several big lights. IMO the added electrical capacity is needed much more than a hydraulic PS unit.

[trojan]

Realistically there is going to be very little difference between the "parasitic HP losses" of a hydraulic pump and an alternator.
I agree, for the loss, the alternator will  be more useful tho

[fastcorvairs]

Here's one that looks trick.

http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/techarticles/0804rc_flaming_rivers_electronic_steering_system/index.html

[fabr]

Here's what I am using.

http://www.unisteer.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=UNISTEER&Product_Code=8051510&Category_Code=YAMAHA

[BDKW1]

Here's one that looks trick.

http://www.rodandcustommagazine.com/techarticles/0804rc_flaming_rivers_electronic_steering_system/index.html

It only looks trick till you see the price tag.......

[fabr]

Kind of the same for this-approx 1100 bux if I remember right that is.

[SPEC]

I was just gonna say about a thousand bux
Geeze Fabr sounds like your setting it up for a gimp pilot

[standfast]

I am using a Vauxhall Corsa unit pulled from a car.  Works standalone just like the one pictured above but has only 4 wires to hook up.  Got it for 300bux
shipped.  Has about 1500 miles or so on it now I would guess.  Most of them are pretty rough miles.  Its a acceptable
amount of feedback for me.  You need to use a good rack or it will get sloppy quick.  The Proam front steer has proved
itself to me. 

[artie on edge]

Geeze Fabr sounds like your setting it up for a gimp pilot

very (non) subtle hint hint... hint hint.... 

[cleppla]

Going with a powersteering unit. I was thinking it would get rid of any bumpster.


Chris

[artie on edge]

Going with a powersteering unit. I was thinking it would get rid of any bumpster.


Chris

Chris, thats an expensive way of covering up a design flaw! Sorry but p/steer wont get rid of bumpsteer. Thats a geometry issue that can be minimised with carefull rack mount set up.

I think you mean steering kickback or feedback and yeah p/steer can help there.

Guys do you think it might help if we posted up a sticky with terminology and basic descriptions of what they mean? Something titled "What does it all mean? - 101" or such.

I would break it down into categories (suspension/steering, brakes, transmission/driveline, electrical etc) and any specialists we have here can add to it in their specialist areas.

I know its been discussed over several posts over time but that is spread over a large timeframe and area and hard to find sometimes. Im thinking a dedicated post we can refer newbies to... what do you all think? (and yeah Ill put my damn hand up to start it.)

[cleppla]

.

"I think you mean steering kickback or feedback and yeah p/steer can help there."

Yes exactly.   I was thinking of that! Sorry for the confusion.