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Offline Baloo

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sand rail design
« on: August 02, 2018, 02:43:06 AM »
ok I have dropped my engine into my sxs and I don't like the car subframes now they look …………….. er well  pants,  anyway I always saw this as a prototype and might remake the chassis with out using the subframes but that led me to start looking at pictures of sand rails they look much neater with a transaxle as it all appears uniform or balanced, maybe this is what I should build after the sxs, so the question is does anyone here sell plans or kits or could we do a virtual design its probably the suspension I will struggle with, no sand dunes over here so suspension travel can be modest  maybe 12to 18 inches ?  would still be a car engine and box probably the audi v6 as it comes with a transaxle and is fairley short so it dosent push the seats to far forward                                                                                                                                                                                            thanks   Andy

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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2018, 03:45:25 PM »
normally i wouldn't post a set of plans that had to be purchased. i have a set i cannot find now and the company went out of business way back when. if i find them i will post them. here is a pic though.

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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2018, 07:48:36 PM »
That's too bad,I always enjoy what you have came up with. A good fabber will always know when to either come up with a new plan or when to throw in the towel.

 Let's see if we can get some ideas floating around. To start with what wheel base and track width are you approx shooting for?  What engine physical size approx? What power are you looking for? 2wd or 4? As far as wheel travel a LOT can be done with 12" or even less depending on what you have envisioned for this project. I'm ,at this point considering what you were trying to do with this last effort,thinking you may even only need 10" or so.  Really well tuned 12" is a whole lot better than most with 16-20" and half assed shocks/tuning.

How much are you wanting to fab or are you wanting to try and use OEM stuff?  Give us some idea of your goal and let's see where this goes.
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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2018, 08:01:31 PM »
I just re read your post. I think I'm a bit off base with the reply but ................ we can still start the dialog.

 I never thought I'd ever suggest using this a-holes plans but I have to admit they are VERY good plans if you really want to fab a buggy that will actually be pretty damn capable.The plans are very,very complete and I can attest from personal experience they are accurate. Pretty cheap also. I assume you are wanting to do a 2 seater? If not he has single seat plans as well.  Here is a link to his 2 seater. Take a look.  https://rorty.net/r82s
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2018, 08:57:13 PM »
Here is another of his 2 seat buggies. 195AUD   195 AUD =110.345GBP   Damn cheap for the most complete plans available. Aesthetically ,they can be tweaked a lot but the suspension design/geometry both front and rear is well designed. https://rorty.net/r16-shotgun-ii-0
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2018, 01:26:12 AM »
normally i wouldn't post a set of plans that had to be purchased. i have a set i cannot find now and the company went out of business way back when. if i find them i will post them. here is a pic though.

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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2018, 01:31:37 AM »
I just re read your post. I think I'm a bit off base with the reply but ................ we can still start the dialog.

 I never thought I'd ever suggest using this a-holes plans but I have to admit they are VERY good plans if you really want to fab a buggy that will actually be pretty damn capable.The plans are very,very complete and I can attest from personal experience they are accurate. Pretty cheap also. I assume you are wanting to do a 2 seater? If not he has single seat plans as well.  Here is a link to his 2 seater. Take a look.  https://rorty.net/r82s
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               hi,   the sxs is still very much alive and will be finished before I start another  but would like to play around with the suspension design for a sandrail,  I have the R16 plans on cd somewhere I bought them years ago from  rorty ( in Australia ? )         anyway I was wrong in asking for plans as I have a set of components and the suspension needs to fit them I guess rather than build to someone elses plans                         

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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2018, 01:43:23 AM »
so heres what started this rolling ,  I have inherited this vw passat, same as audi A6 I think                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              this uses a V6 all alloy engine with around 200 bhp,  gear box is a transaxle so I can have equal length drive shafts and double A arm suspension ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 gearbox looks something like this                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          the front vw passat hubs look like they bolt in so would be easy to bolt into a fabricated rear  upright assembly ?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     the v6 passat using the transaxle obviously has equal length drive shafts like this                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    but the 4 cylinder passat has a transverse engine and so it has a long and a short drive shaft so an option to use 2 long driveshafts like this might exist to push the wheels out further allowing longer A arms                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   
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Re: sand rail design
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2018, 01:46:43 AM »
sorry about the spacing of my text my key board is having a hissy fit right now, the return key refuses to function at all