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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #120 on: May 01, 2018, 09:29:18 AM »
There was near zero water getting in anywhere until I started it up to back it up to load. I think on cold start, when you were there ,the gasket finally let go completely at that time.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #121 on: May 01, 2018, 07:38:40 PM »
Here's the head gasket and pic of piston tattooing from a missing piece of the SS wrap of the fire ring. The tattooing is pretty much a non issue so far as piston integrity. It is not nearly as bad as it looks. I'll get the short block torn down tomorrow to see if there was any piston skirt damage from lack of lube but I'm pretty sure they will be just fine-pretty sure.  :m
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #122 on: May 01, 2018, 09:31:17 PM »
are those actual gouges in the aluminum piston? if so ,isn't that automatic piston replacement?
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #123 on: May 01, 2018, 09:33:03 PM »
and wow! why did they fail like that after 3 min! not matter if it was 3mins ot 30 hrs , shouldnat have failed like that.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #124 on: May 01, 2018, 09:48:46 PM »
They are just surface scratches. Probably a max of .005 deep at most. Knock off the peaks and good to go. You ought to see what a lot of engines have in them after minor blowups. More like an hour of run time,3 minutes max idling after it let go.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #125 on: May 02, 2018, 06:01:24 AM »
Looks like all the gasket let go of the fire ring.  Hope the F-P guys have some insight info for ya.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #126 on: May 02, 2018, 07:41:58 AM »
We'll see. FWIW,I always try to diagnose issues at tear down. When it came time to remove the heads I checked the torque on all the head bolts. Each and every one had lost substantial preload torque on both heads. That is the cause of this problem no doubt.All I can think of is that the .051 gaskets relaxed more than the .041 gaskets I normally use without issue-ever.The extra .010 apparently has something/everything to do with this. Jury is still out but I think MLS gaskets will be used this time to avoid any possiblity of this happening again.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #127 on: May 02, 2018, 07:47:03 AM »
The fire rings were round before they were stretched into ovals . I was amazed how much they stretched before breaking.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #128 on: May 06, 2018, 09:40:46 PM »
I believe I found the cause. Live and learn something new every day or the days a waste ,huh.
« Last Edit: May 06, 2018, 09:42:37 PM by fabr »
"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #129 on: May 07, 2018, 04:53:21 AM »
Did said builder of this engine re torque the heads after initial brake in and warm up? 5:

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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #130 on: May 07, 2018, 06:09:53 AM »
Have never ever been done in the last 30+ years using the permatorque gaskets . Not a single failure. I do do the standard torque procedure of bring the torque in 3 steps of 40/55/70 and then let sit 24 hours,then retorque though since customers will rarely do a retorque after install and initial running. Literally hundreds of roundy round engines I assembled lived a long life done that way. Retorque  after initial run in is a source of much debate. I don't see diesel engines and Hellcats/Vettes engines or any of the factory performance engines ever getting a retorque either.
 Nope,wasn't what I found to be the cause. Yes,it was builder error though. I did do one thing different than I have ever done before and that was apparently the cause. Next guess.
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #131 on: May 07, 2018, 06:22:45 AM »
Hint,there are 4 head studs buried under the intake ports that require an extension on the torque wrench . Due to the extension they require a different torque wrench setting. To do so requires resetting the torque wrench to a different setting each time one of the 4 come along in the torque sequence. Quite time consuming. I made a time saving mistake. No,I did not set the torque wrench wrong on any of them but it was torque wrench related. That should be enough of a hint.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
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loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #132 on: May 07, 2018, 09:12:04 AM »
You didn’t lube your nuts, now you have dry chaffing!   8)

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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #133 on: May 07, 2018, 09:59:02 AM »
You didn’t lube your nuts, now you have dry chaffing!   8)
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Re: Water,Water Everywhere or WTF??????
« Reply #134 on: May 07, 2018, 10:26:06 AM »
give up.....tell us how you made this mistake? cause if you went through tq sequaence as described and used your tq o meter gauge and used wet tq specs plus compensated for ext tq loss then i have no idea what happened.
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