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« Last post by dsrace on July 18, 2018, 01:31:08 PM »
these are all the events for the rest of the sand season at LS .....just to paint a picture.
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« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 01:28:45 PM »
Honestly,yummi,if there is no local loyalty,there will soon be no local. Wonder what that does to your home values? You better sell out now before it's too late. Move to the big city and enjoy the cheaper way of living in the rat race.
The kicker, I try local first. Seldom if ever works. At what point is it OK? When does it become my responsibility to take care of me?
The car example above? First stop local dealer. They cant get within 3k of the price. I like the guys, many have been to the house for BBQ. They admit if it was their money they would not, but push local first as a narrative / sales tactic. Friend owns a gun store - $35.00 for FFL transfer. Or, buy from him at full retail (I do occasionally) and pay full tax. Chicken breast is $4.25 a pound here vs $3.27 in Phoenix. Plus local food tax! I don't see local business selling local goods. Hell, even the Chamber of Commerce outsources accounting to India. So exactly at what point do I pay attention to their "buy local" campaign? At what point do you?
Nobody said business would be easy. While I can give some slack to "local" the reality is I have an obligation to me and mine before them and theirs.
respectfully,yummi, it is that general reason why small towns are dying. No,I do not condone " gouging "as in your car example,but the chicken example is a bit silly. You make a very decent income from what I see and are well able to afford patronizing your local grocery. If almost all citizens did the same the local grocery should be able to lower their margins. But,as more and more people chose to not patronize them the prices will continue to escalate till they are ultimately forced to close ,driving yet another nail in the city coffin. Maybe Payson will not die but it will not thrive. Waynoka will ultimately die though with nothing left but RV parks.
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« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 01:19:00 PM »
Checkers sort of sealed their fate when they started to not be open when duners were needing them. I couldn't believe all the comments about that the last time I stayed at dueces. To only be open till 6 was just stupid when many if not most are still in the dunes. The owners are very nice people but they cared more for themselves than the much more important customers needs. Far too many self employed make that mistake.i mean checkers could have closed afternoons and mornings and not been an issue. Late afternoon and nights,no way. Hutch,the original owner made himself wealthy in that store by keeping the customers needs a priority.
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« Last post by Yummi on July 18, 2018, 01:16:05 PM »
Honestly,yummi,if there is no local loyalty,there will soon be no local. Wonder what that does to your home values? You better sell out now before it's too late. Move to the big city and enjoy the cheaper way of living in the rat race.
The kicker, I try local first. Seldom if ever works. At what point is it OK? When does it become my responsibility to take care of me? The car example above? First stop local dealer. They cant get within 3k of the price. I like the guys, many have been to the house for BBQ. They admit if it was their money they would not, but push local first as a narrative / sales tactic. Friend owns a gun store - $35.00 for FFL transfer. Or, buy from him at full retail (I do occasionally) and pay full tax. Chicken breast is $4.25 a pound here vs $3.27 in Phoenix. Plus local food tax! I don't see local business selling local goods. Hell, even the Chamber of Commerce outsources accounting to India. So exactly at what point do I pay attention to their "buy local" campaign? At what point do you? Nobody said business would be easy. While I can give some slack to "local" the reality is I have an obligation to me and mine before them and theirs.
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« Last post by dsrace on July 18, 2018, 01:06:01 PM »
used to be a grocery store in the small town north of myself. never had a great selection but 9 miles is closer and a hell of a lot quicker than 22 miles to lincoln. i would prob spend $100 to 200 per month in that store. then it changed hands and went down hill. then closed up.
now checkers in waynoka didn't even need to rely on local loyalty . the duners alone could easily support that store especially since 2015 when the doin the dunes and sand fever started. that's two more party weekends other than sand fest and rattle snake and now theres 3 huge weekend parties for utv's and then sand fest and rattle snake round up. so i guess the duners don't frequent the grocery store. i know i did and it will be missed. there was always something i would just say we'll get it in town when we get there.
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« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 12:55:05 PM »
I know the theory but IMO,it's not for any use where structural integrity is the most important criteria. Most bikes today are tigged as well. The brazed joint is not a welded joint even though they call it welded. It is a much weaker joining method. Probably up to the task,I mean ,haven't you seen the ads for flex tape? 
Well, because I am me, I sent them an email and asked why (always curious - non confrontational in the least) so hope to get a response? We will see if they get back to me?
I suppose you did see the suspension arms are tigged?
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« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 12:47:18 PM »
Honestly,yummi,if there is no local loyalty,there will soon be no local. Wonder what that does to your home values? You better sell out now before it's too late. Move to the big city and enjoy the cheaper way of living in the rat race.
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« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 12:43:43 PM »
I knew it was coming. Now who's dumpsters am I going to use? LOL!!!!! FWIW,Waynoka is like most towns,no local loyalty. I recently read where only 15% of any towns population ,on average, were local loyal.Hope the towns people like grocery shopping 30 minutes away.
Our town is a fair distance to next store. They exploit that. They even tax food at 3%. (Very few communities tax food)
Sales tax on other elements is about 10% total. Local loyal? I am shopping for car. ( I can drive 70 miles to save $400.00 in Phoenix (10% vs 9%) or pick a vendor out of any Town/City limits and save $1,200.00 to $1,600 in local taxes - 6% state) on a 40k purchase. Trip to Costco for $700.00 of food goods? Well, the $21 dollars in "food tax" gets spent on fuel, and the offset in sales costs is worth the trip.
Local loyal? Just as soon as the small towns don't exploit it. Really want some shit? I can buy out of state, pay privilege tax direct and face only 4% fee. So, lets see, 4,000 on 40k for total of 44k, or avoid "local loyal," work the system and pay 41,6K. I think I can make a day trip for $2,400.00 in lower costs.
Local Loyal! 
That's the wrong attitude my friend. I DO agree that there should be no gouging but slightly higher pricing is justifiable in a very small town such as Waynoka of less than 1000 population. A business is just unable to generate enough cash flow to keep the doors open unless they do so. The 3% tax that you mention above what is done in the "city" is just plan inexcusable. Maybe when you get elected you can initiate changing that. All I hear in Waynoka is "why did the local lumber yard close down? We REALLY need one." Welllllll,if the bastards had patronized them it would still be there. Convenience is not appreciated until it's gone.
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« Last post by Yummi on July 18, 2018, 12:40:58 PM »
I know the theory but IMO,it's not for any use where structural integrity is the most important criteria. Most bikes today are tigged as well. The brazed joint is not a welded joint even though they call it welded. It is a much weaker joining method. Probably up to the task,I mean ,haven't you seen the ads for flex tape?
Well, because I am me, I sent them an email and asked why (always curious - non confrontational in the least) so hope to get a response? We will see if they get back to me?
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« Last post by Baloo on July 18, 2018, 12:40:40 PM »
he's over here at the moment isent he
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