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Title: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 23, 2019, 08:19:09 AM
so i finally got some time to work on the rail a bit. just about got the motor and trans ready to pull. i knew my exh manifold gasket was leaking on the last trip but i also knew i had a safe tune in it. i didnt know it was leaking on 3 cyls.......i thought it was just one.  am going to send the trans off and have it converted to a 4 speed as well as deeper gears except 4th, that will be higher. i am also am buying enemy's perf head and set the timing with a degree ring out of the frame  :D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on December 23, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
How in the hell were you getting any boost and further how in the hell were you tuning that leaking thing?? O2 corrections had to be all over the place.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 23, 2019, 11:26:19 AM
to be honest this manifold has leaked from day 1. it has't been on long thogh. it is warped and that is from the guy that welded it. so i thought i had it sealed and on the 3rd day of the first trip with it installed i started to hear a leak. keep in mind i heard that over my headset. so i re tq'd the bolts and the sound cleared up. i honestly believed it was cy # 1 that had the leak.  so as everyone can see it damn sure wasn't cyl one that was leaking lol crazy thing is those 2 bolts on cyl would stop the leak or in the case the excessive leak  LMAO  LMAO  soooooooo ya....on the tuning side i am going to bet there will be some small adjustments to be made. the last 2 trips i didnt even try and tune as i knew it was leaking. i started with a safe tune so i never let it make any crazy changes but ya...... no way the 02 was correct, a real tesiment to how quick and efficient the borgwarner efr turbo's are  to still spool that quick and that high leaking on 3 cyl  rofl
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Lance-W on December 23, 2019, 12:09:18 PM
Cut the ports on the header apart and make them individual.  It'll seal easier and there's no reason for them to all be attached............    Attached to each other they just fight one another to mate to the head.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 23, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
in most applications you are correct lance........on thes motors, for some reaseon the indv tubes are known to crack. he warped it welding it. i will plane it on my dads mill. my last t3 manifold was flat and never had an issue.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 23, 2019, 02:13:21 PM
my first 2 turbons were t3 flanges. the smaller efr's are t25's so i bought a new manifold from the guy that mad my last one. he also made one for dougs yellow rail and enemy had him make one. enemy's is a top mount rather than the log style i and doug have. this is the 1st one that is warped this bad. enemies has cracked a few times on the welds, sad as it shouldn't have. so this manifold and turbo were installed last winter or early spring.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on December 24, 2019, 12:17:17 PM
Cut the ports on the header apart and make them individual.  It'll seal easier and there's no reason for them to all be attached............    Attached to each other they just fight one another to mate to the head.

Sorry if this starts a hijack, but I welcome this!
I considered cutting my flange and separate the cylinders, I feel it may be cracking because it IS a one piece flange.
On the other side of this coin, why the hell do these headers need to be stainless?? I can build a redneck header out of mild steel  and they dont crack.. Im sick of welding this one up that just cracked AGAIN!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on December 24, 2019, 12:18:49 PM
And your rail is gunna be one sick sumbitch by the way! Pulling the head on the Ranger next week..
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Lance-W on December 24, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
Cut the ports on the header apart and make them individual.  It'll seal easier and there's no reason for them to all be attached............    Attached to each other they just fight one another to mate to the head.

Sorry if this starts a hijack, but I welcome this!
I considered cutting my flange and separate the cylinders, I feel it may be cracking because it IS a one piece flange.
On the other side of this coin, why the hell do these headers need to be stainless?? I can build a redneck header out of mild steel  and they dont crack.. I'm sick of welding this one up that just cracked AGAIN!

You gotta ask yourself what exactly is the bar between the ports doing after the flanges are bolted to the head. 
1. Does it keep the header ports from expanding with the head or vice versa the header heats up faster then the head probably?  If that's the case then every time it heats up it shears the gasket/seal between the header and the head and you have a leak!
2. Does it have the same thermal expansion ratio as the big hunk of head so they expand together?  I seriously doubt it!
3. The header is carrying the weight of the turbo statically and dynamically?  That bar between the flanges ain't doin shit to solve that problem.  I would guess that's where you're cracks are coming from or it's the expansion within the header itself (all the tubes pulling and pushing on each other as a result of thermal expansion) which could probably be mitigated by some gusseting.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 24, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
Cut the ports on the header apart and make them individual.  It'll seal easier and there's no reason for them to all be attached............    Attached to each other they just fight one another to mate to the head.

Sorry if this starts a hijack, but I welcome this!
I considered cutting my flange and separate the cylinders, I feel it may be cracking because it IS a one piece flange.
On the other side of this coin, why the hell do these headers need to be stainless?? I can build a redneck header out of mild steel  and they dont crack.. I'm sick of welding this one up that just cracked AGAIN!

You gotta ask yourself what exactly is the bar between the ports doing after the flanges are bolted to the head. 
1. Does it keep the header ports from expanding with the head or vice versa the header heats up faster then the head probably?  If that's the case then every time it heats up it shears the gasket/seal between the header and the head and you have a leak!
2. Does it have the same thermal expansion ratio as the big hunk of head so they expand together?  I seriously doubt it!
3. The header is carrying the weight of the turbo statically and dynamically?  That bar between the flanges ain't doin shit to solve that problem.  I would guess that's where you're cracks are coming from or it's the expansion within the header itself (all the tubes pulling and pushing on each other as a result of thermal expansion) which could probably be mitigated by some gusseting.

so  where i do not understand that on the level that you do, i do understand the basics of it. i do agree with what your saying as well. what i have read on this particular application is that all that make ss manifols for these engine use the full plate. i assumed it was for better heat transfer to maybe pull heat out of that part through the head. also i should include the flat plate is mild steel and the tubes are 304 ss heavy wall, schedule 40 i think.  enemy's plates as well as dougs and mine were purchased from bo port and built by a guy in oregon. again this is not a specialy of mine and i do not understand it it on the level you do. in my case he warped it when welding it and i knew it when i bolted it on. i had no time left to true it and its didnt seem that bad with the type of manifold gasket i had.  it didnt work lol it did not warp from use though, hasnt gotten any worse for sure.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on December 24, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
My turbo is supported with a bracket. About 10years now and zero cracks. It's stainless. Hmmmm...............
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on December 24, 2019, 10:59:43 PM
Are the headers welded while purged of air with argon?
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 25, 2019, 06:10:34 PM
he says he does but only he know for fact.

so got the engine out and trans today. i just need to get the custom lance w trans shipping container and get it shipped out.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on December 25, 2019, 07:49:16 PM
I saw your cars twin at LS today.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on December 26, 2019, 06:41:37 AM
what would that be??  ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: big dave on December 31, 2019, 02:09:07 PM
Take them apart put them back together. repeat. The life of a biggie builder.  Sounds like it will be a hole new ride this year.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 01, 2020, 08:02:46 AM
so i sure in the hell hope so  ;D it had better make better lap time in the trails  rofl   it def needs more bottom end and the only way to do that and keep all the mid range is a 1st gear so i will drop 2nd 3rd as well.....i think .25 rotation and raise 4th to a 120 from a 130. now once they get it apart and can tell me what the actual gears are in there i'll know more. i still have a gut feeling that my current 1st/ 2nd are a touch higher than i think and my 3rd is way lower than it needs to be. 3rd is so close to 2nd ( remember i have a 3 speed so your 3rd and 4th) that i blow though to rev limit right now! rev limit is 6200 rpm right now and since this is current head on enemy's engine i am swapping onto mine, i know it will easily run to 7500 rpm as he runs it to 8k.  another 1300 rpm capability is always nice when needed at say st a pulling a long dune  :D    i am going to make one mod to this chassis for ease or re install. i need to quit making things so tight fittting lol the really interesting part will be to see what kind of difference another 70 cfm with a higher lift cam makes especially in mid range!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 01, 2020, 08:03:48 AM
another big plus will be an exh manifold that doesn't leak on 3 cyl's  LMAO turbo should be a little more responsive  :m :m 

that part is really my fault, i knew it was warped but thought i could make is seal up for the season and was wrong. i know what he did when he was welding it and how he warped it. i'll put it on my dads horizontal mill and true it up.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 01, 2020, 08:12:41 AM
i didn't take a pic but when i drained the lube out of the trans i saw some material on the magnetic plug. not a horrible amount but a little more than i though should be there. i used roal purple gear lube and have not changed the oil since i installed the trans. yes i know that is a no no and i know better but it happened so 3 years of run time, it came out as black as a chalk board. didn't smell burnt but did have a silver color floating in it in the bucket.  i assumed the silver color was prob aluminum from the case or other aluminum parts?? it will get new gears anyway and i have a brand new r&p for it if needed as well as a used case sitting here.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 01, 2020, 08:15:42 AM
also where some of my oil leak was the front and rear main seal , a tiny bit, the vast majority was the trans. it was coming out the shifter bushing on the pbs shifter assembly. come to find out pbs doesn't make the mid engine shifter anymore so i may have to send that to someone and see if they can machine a new bushing for it. i did over fill the trans but damn after 3 years it should've leveled it self off.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: BrianN on January 01, 2020, 01:06:22 PM
I doubt if they interchange,  but I have a mid engine  PBS shifter on a VW type1 trans, if that would  help you.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 01, 2020, 01:41:36 PM
same thing i believe, is yours 1st gen or 2nd? how much?
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 28, 2020, 10:07:30 AM
so the trans guy got mine apart. said pinnion is starting to crack , so i'll be shipping my r&p set to him. he said it is a true 3 speed stack so thicker gear. it is indeed a 4.43 r&p, 2.23 1st, 1.67 2nd and 1.30 3rd.  so not sure whats actually available but i chose 3.11 1st, 2.35 2nd ,  1.75 3rd and 1.20 4th  thats half way between current gearing and if i had found a 4.86 r&p. i drove jacks rail and he has the same gearing as my current but with a 4.86 r&p. it seemed a tiny tad on the deep side so i calculated that diff and split it in 2. we'll see what gearing is available.  a touch deeper for off boost would be perfect in 2nd and 3rd. that 1.30 is too deep and i blow through that effortlessly. 
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 28, 2020, 02:04:09 PM
on another note, i ran my rail in to have a custom water proof cover made. it will take a couple weeks as the material alone will take a week to get. so bc tarps makes custom boat travel covers. he agreed to make a custom fit one for my rail with air pockets for use on a flat bed at 80 plus mph.  not cheap but my rugged radio to shorted from the rain isnt cheap either.  no matter what i might be able to make weekend runs to the dunes this way.  ;D     wasnt a lot of fun loading it on an icy trailer either.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: budlight69 on January 28, 2020, 02:38:52 PM
The car should be a lot more fun to drive with the new gear ratios.  Does the car cover seal up the bottom of the buggy?  Are you going to put an outboard motor on it?   rofl
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 29, 2020, 07:11:03 AM
The car should be a lot more fun to drive with the new gear ratios.  Does the car cover seal up the bottom of the buggy?  Are you going to put an outboard motor on it?   rofl

it will be more enjoyable with the lower gearing but 1 st gear will be outstanding!

so he asked if i wanted the bottom enclosed as well. i said no, we settled on just wrapping it uner the bottom 6".  in the rain some mist will get in. it wont be bad though but most important it protects my electronics. i asked him to sew up a bag for the seats with a draw string.

outboard motor would be funny.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 31, 2020, 06:08:14 AM
so settled on 3.44 ....2.36......1.71.....1.26 for final gears. surprisingly weddle must have reduced gearing options for those old trans. atleast 1zt 2nd options. i had to choose from 3.11/2.25....3.44/2.25....3.44/2.36. the 3.11 1st would've been nicer but i wanted the slightly deeper 2nd. so pulling up the ramp gate into the trailer should be easier now ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 31, 2020, 06:49:36 AM
so in final drive ratio's....went from no 1st to a 15.23 and 9.87 2nd to a 10.45. i say that of course because mine was a 3 speed that they deleted 1st gear.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on January 31, 2020, 07:47:27 AM
WIth a motor that actually runs right you should be very happy now. BUT I know you won't ever be satisfied and as soon as you get a trip or 2 in you will begin the next phase of the evolution.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 31, 2020, 08:55:24 AM
WIth a motor that actually runs right you should be very happy now. BUT I know you won't ever be satisfied and as soon as you get a trip or 2 in you will begin the next phase of the evolution.

can always be better????? LMAO :nw rofl
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on January 31, 2020, 08:56:17 AM
well i sent my new r&p so this is the last run on the trans  ;D. when she's done she's a boat anchor.   it will be a joy to drive now.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 01, 2020, 07:16:30 AM
fabr how is the v8 rail coming along?
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 01, 2020, 08:17:19 AM
Moroso FINALLY got my pump done and back to meThursday.2 damn months to rebuild and add 2 additional scavenge stages for pan vacuum.!  Engine is back in car. Have to install AEM data logger since my FAST Sportsman doesn't have open channels to add anything else to the logging. I want to monitor crankcase vacuum so as to detect detonation OR ring flutter. Just to satisfy my curiousity as to whether detonation is always audible. Anyway,I hope to be ready to schedule dyno in the next couple weeks. Only reason I am going to the dyno is to get a good baseline timing map since I have zero idea what this old Nascar thing wants.  I am assuming that around 26-28 degrees total advance will be all it will want BUT a steady state dyno will be able to determine for sure.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 02, 2020, 05:44:30 AM
please post up the dyno info once you do. always good info to look at. enemy is supposed to be putting his turbo 2.3 ranger on one. i am awaiting those results as well since our motors are similar.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 05, 2020, 07:19:06 AM
Wichita Dyno is currently moving their shop so when I can get it scheduled in is a bit up in the air. He said 2-3 weeks out . We'll see.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 05, 2020, 11:17:58 AM
moving to a diff building or diff city?
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 05, 2020, 05:38:26 PM
Different building.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 19, 2020, 01:29:23 PM
so my trans is done and on its way back!!   so .....in a nut shell, i have a fully rebhuilt trans   :m    luckily i had a new r&p. rev was worn but not shot so i said replace it anyway.  obviously needed new 1st/2nd ( to convert back to a 4 speed from a 3 speed)  as there a match set. i guess 4th gear hub was gawled and starting to seize. apperantly 2nd ( which would be 3rd in a 4 speed) applied to much side load and cracked 4th slider hub. so now i have weddle racing gears plus they machined the gear carrier housing to use a larger/stronger main shaft bearing.  he had 1 last steel caged pinnion bearing luckily.  recap....new r&p, new 1st/2nd and 3rd/4th and rev, new steel caged pinnion bearing and larger main shaft bearing along with new slider hubs, shift forks etc etc.  that trans lasted 15 years on its opriginal internals. 12 years with a 355 chevy v8 bolted to it and 3 with my 2.3 4 cyl.  i was warned 2nd gear is now weaker then it was as its smaller in a 4 speed. i had it geared down 2nd and 3rd so i can spend most of the runs in 3rd now and sped up 4th gear for more over all speed. i will be turning the turbo down to buy a little more life out of the trans as its a boat anchor when it lets go lol
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 19, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
Cool!!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: big dave on February 20, 2020, 03:57:17 PM
Good to hear it all went well with the rebuild. should be a lot me enjoyable to drive new.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2020, 08:37:05 PM
i've been told a time or two that i am never happy  ;D....so it damn well better be more enjoyable  LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 21, 2020, 06:07:28 AM
 LMAO Speaking of never being happy,I just HAD to reroute my radiator hoses. Just HAD to............. 5:
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 21, 2020, 12:59:17 PM
LMAO Speaking of never being happy,I just HAD to reroute my radiator hoses. Just HAD to............. 5:

i completely understand that  ;D  rofl
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on February 23, 2020, 06:05:36 PM
And we are all sure you will not be happy with the cylinder head I just delivered for the "plus hp" part of this build!  ;D 
Sorry no dyno report to backup the theoretical, the header is busted clean through on the #1, exact to what the 4 did that he did not weld the inside of the joint. Just went ahead with the full teardown.
For the years of abuse that trans went through I would not be afraid to push the hp a bit 'smartly' if there is such a thing ha! Sweet about the internal mods he did, sad for the boat anchor finally.... that will NEVER happen!!
Carl-luck's got yer back on this one
 :nw
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 24, 2020, 06:39:55 AM
carl luck is proof murphy's law is a hoax  rofl rofl
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 27, 2020, 03:29:47 PM
well supposed to have the trans wens now. ups has some real issues all steming from young employees and lack of training tool that use pop up pictures lol   so swapped the head out last night. new bo port head has a different comb chamber shape. mine is a factoyr turbo chamber shape. it was also used on 1 n/a model. there are actually 4 diff chamber shapes for the 2.3 but only 1 for turbo. first pic is my turbo head. 2nd is bo port.   3rd pic os of the pistons. i think i had some oil entering the cyl. pretty sure bad valve guide seals. i say that as if i let it idle to long and then goose it .....it will blow a quick burst of smoke out the pipe.  not while driving just after idling a few mins.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 27, 2020, 04:45:42 PM
also got a call that my manifold was done. had it surfaced as it had some sealing issues  ;) so it wasn't just bent, it was twisted by .120".  should seal a lot better now lol  :nw  :m
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
Just curious,did you check combustion chamber CC difference between heads and did you calculate the final compression ratio of both?

Yep I'm betting you will see some good boost now and beyond that correct fueling. Your wet chambers might be from just the engine running pig fat as it was.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 27, 2020, 06:52:47 PM
Just curious,did you check combustion chamber CC difference between heads and did you calculate the final compression ratio of both?

Yep I'm betting you will see some good boost now and beyond that correct fueling. Your wet chambers might be from just the engine running pig fat as it was.

i did not check cc difference. i know the old head was 62cc's ( checked myself) and the new one is a heart shaped but has the bigger valves. where he clearance'd  for the larger valves, he removed quite a bit. i am coming into a time crunch so i guesstimated lol i know that's not the proper way to do it but i feel it will be comparable. i do know i have plenty of valve clearence. enemy spec'd the head before he used it. my last cam had .48 lift and this new cam has .510 lift.  stock valves , 1.74 intake 1.50 exhaust and this head has 1.89 on the intake and 1.60 on the exhaust.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on February 29, 2020, 05:31:54 PM
cover is done.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Carlriddle on March 01, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
How fast did you drag it home? Lol
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 01, 2020, 05:13:22 PM
Are you planning to haul it backwards?
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 02, 2020, 06:41:23 AM
How fast did you drag it home? Lol

not going to lie...may have hit 80 mph a couple of times  ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 02, 2020, 06:43:33 AM
Are you planning to haul it backwards?

i do not plan on towing it backwards. it was loaded that way because it was pulled in to the garage before i tore it apart. the trailer was covered in snow and ice so that was the easiest way to load it. the front wraps down and under the rail all the way back to the end of the skid plate. prob wraps under 18" and the sides go all the way down then tuck under a couple inches. i had him make seat covers as well just in case  ;).
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 02, 2020, 06:44:48 AM
even hauling it the wrong way it didn't balloon at 80 mph and it was windy here sat. now those were short bursts of 80 as the speed limit is a touch lower in that area  :m 7 year warranty as well.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 24, 2020, 07:43:23 AM
so i always hope there are no leaks or complications upon re installing an engine but one always has to watch. i have fired my engine off 3 times and ran to operating temp. so far no oil leaks but i did develop a fuel leak. i have a sump welded to the bottome of my tank. the factory busa pump housing bolted into it while i had that engine and after going to the ford 2.3. i of course swapped out the pump from the ae 310lph to a walbro 450. that walbro 450 started to drop pressure at st a dunes ( on top of other issues) so it was pulled. i decided to go to an ae1000 pump for ease of service. i lost my fuel sending unit when i went to a flat plate vs the busa housing. well that gasket started leaking fuel for some reason. looks like the e85 ate a path through the gasket sealer ( permatex indian) .  i took it apart and re sealed it over the weekend and modified the plate to mount my fuel sender back in. i still have the programable fuel gauge on the console. now the gauge isnt needed at LS but would be nice to have.  i have hopes of returning to st a dunes where i really pre fer having the gauge as thats not a place i really want to run out of fuel lol.    at this point the only leak i have found is gasket that wasnt disturbed during the engine trans removal....go figure lol
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 24, 2020, 12:07:18 PM
Murphy has laws about that..................
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on March 24, 2020, 06:58:52 PM
Laws are there to be broken dammit!!
'Cept that Murphy one lol

I believe in civil disobedience at this point in my life so I was happy to do a couple 30psi pulls tonight with the new head in the ranger on the desolate concrete. Mr Murphy found me and said "Your header has cracked before, and it will again.. and again... and AGAIN!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!"


Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 25, 2020, 09:14:15 AM
carl luck trumps murphy's law.....i dont have carl luck  rofl 

i hope to make a few runs down the closed course paved strip close to my place.  ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on March 25, 2020, 10:58:55 AM
That one in Mexico?
I call shotgun!!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 25, 2020, 11:14:52 AM
I ain't going anywhere near Mexico!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Carlriddle on March 25, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
I ain't going anywhere near Mexico!
Corona beer lol
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 26, 2020, 07:40:16 AM
no mexico, no corona beer just xx  ;D       if the weather holds i hope to start running it this weekend. i re assembled all last night and added fuel. took 2 days to develop a drip last time so wenll see. i need to swap tires and re tq head. i adjust the console rather than shift throw last night. needed more throw for rev for some reason. starts right , better than it has in a long time but......e67 starts better than e85
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on March 26, 2020, 08:49:25 AM
From the urban dictionary.  ;D

mexico
A term used for street racing, since street racing is illegal in the United States. Usually on YouTube videos, before anyone does some dumb shit with a vehicle, (street racing, hooning, drifting, burnouts, etc) they'll make a random comment about being in "mexico" so that the actions in the video aren't "illegal"

And!

corona
A shit beer when consumed in vast quantities makes every kind of moving object look like a hot girl. side affects may include:
1. waking up next to an ugly girl
2. waking up next to a really ugly girl
3. waking up next to a man
4. waking up next to a tree with a small hole in it
5. waking up next to a combination of the four
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 26, 2020, 12:13:57 PM
 LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 26, 2020, 03:45:27 PM
Damn enemy,is that from the urban dictionary or your note book on what not to do.....................again??????..................... ;D ;D  I mean,you DO have your "special" tree and all at LS :m
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 26, 2020, 03:53:45 PM
On a side note,I took a 10 mile cruise today. Some of my neighbors hate me again.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 26, 2020, 04:55:40 PM
now i didnt even know that term. i really thought he thought i was going to run over to grandisland and make a pull down some road.  in the original part of GI, the street signs are in spanish.

as far as a few of your neighbors go fabr.....fook them  ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on March 26, 2020, 05:21:19 PM
Damn enemy,is that from the urban dictionary or your note book on what not to do.....................again??????..................... ;D ;D  I mean,you DO have your "special" tree and all at LS :m

Hell no! I can't drink that shit!! Any beer that smells already skunked when it was just bottled aint right in my gut.
Now PBR, thats a different note book.. MUCH uglier women..


Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: Enemy on March 26, 2020, 05:23:35 PM
And Alan has been humping my favorite tree last two trips, I was so upset I did a rain dance and flooded the back of cowboy  ;D
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: budlight69 on March 26, 2020, 05:32:10 PM
Damn enemy,is that from the urban dictionary or your note book on what not to do.....................again??????..................... ;D ;D  I mean,you DO have your "special" tree and all at LS :m

Hell no! I can't drink that shit!! Any beer that smells already skunked when it was just bottled aint right in my gut.
Now PBR, thats a different note book.. MUCH uglier women..

PBR you say..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56duVYLsd4Q   8)
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 26, 2020, 08:21:34 PM
 :m :m :m :m :m :m :m :m :m to all the above posts!
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 27, 2020, 02:53:31 PM
 LMAO pbr  :m    schlitz, black label, hams, old milaukees best..... all on the same shelf next to the homeless entrance.  nasty   :m 
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 27, 2020, 07:08:34 PM
What do I know,to me,all beer tastes like shit.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: dsrace on March 28, 2020, 06:09:08 AM
to be honest i have never really liked beer myself.  whiskey has always gone down waaaaay to easy though so have to be mindful of that.

so on another note i saw that sand  outlawz has been moved back a day or two and they cannot hold the show n shine in town so there working on moving that and vendor row closer to the dunes. i believe something was stated about the up to april 29th no more than 10 people rule in effect in oklahoma.  read like that was up in the air still.
Title: Re: 4 speed convert plus hp
Post by: fabr on March 28, 2020, 09:32:35 AM
The grocery store is almost filled up. I even saw TP on the shelf.Too bad it will be picked clean before we get there. I truly hope they can stay stocked up while this virus BS is continuing.