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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => Chassis and Suspension => Topic started by: Punkur67 on July 03, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
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I got a set of microstub arms for cheap and am planning on putting them on the car when I can afford the hubs. I know a little about them but can anybody shed some light on them. And what to get. From what I was told you gain about 3 more inches on you axle length without making the car wider. Thats about all I know.
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I got a set of microstub arms for cheap and am planning on putting them on the car when I can afford the hubs. I know a little about them but can anybody shed some light on them. And what to get. From what I was told you gain about 3 more inches on you axle length without making the car wider. Thats about all I know.
How many splines? I use a 27 spline axle from Kartec and a 1982 Chevy four wheel drive front hub. some people use a 33 spline I think that goes into a Ford 150 four wheel drive hub. the 27 spline works for me just fine they are fairly cheap $65.00 each USA.
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How many splines? I use a 27 spline axle from Kartec and a 1982 Chevy four wheel drive front hub. some people use a 33 spline I think that goes into a Ford 150 four wheel drive hub. the 27 spline works for me just fine they are fairly cheap $65.00 each USA.
what is the Bolt pattern on the 82?
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should be 6 on 5.5" if it's a half ton
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I just have the arms right now. Not shure what is bad, good, and great to run. Of course the more it cost the product, but im trying not to spend $2500 but also dont want to be fixing them all the time. I know I am running 930cvs. I think I just want standard micros and not midboards.
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82 front hub? Unless it's an s-10 it would have a solid axle up front. Chevy didn't have IFS on a full size until 88.
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And that pattern is 5 on 4.75
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You guys got the whole apples/oranges thing going on here.
Glad I could clear that up.
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I believe Punkur is talking about traditional micro stubs like this picture from Gear One. This kit has an aluminum bearing carrier, the stub shaft, called a micro stub because it is shorter than a traditional stub shaft, and the outer hub that splines onto the stub shaft and holds the wheel. The inner end of the stub shaft allows a 930 to be bolted directly to it.
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Here is the assembly view:
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The rest of the posts seem to refer to using a wheel bearing off of a ford or chevy, and the OEM outer CV, with 33 spline axles for ford, or 27 splines for chevy. These CV's are non-plunging.
The micro stub kit has an outer hub that is probably wide 5. Using the ford or chevy bearing will require an adapter if using wide 5 (5 on 205) pattern wheels. I recently made some. ;D
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How many splines? I use a 27 spline axle from Kartec and a 1982 Chevy four wheel drive front hub. some people use a 33 spline I think that goes into a Ford 150 four wheel drive hub. the 27 spline works for me just fine they are fairly cheap $65.00 each USA.
Glen,
Are your outers non-plunging then? Do you retain the axle in the outer CV or let it float? What CV do you run on the inside? Is your axle the same spline on both ends? Now you have me curious.
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Im looking for that exactly engineer. Just not sure what the best bang for the buck will be without sacrificing quality. Not looking to use some stock parts from kragen and wheel adapters. Im more looking for something like pro am, gear one or others
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My bad, micros...got it.
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Glen,
Are your outers non-plunging then? Do you retain the axle in the outer CV or let it float? What CV do you run on the inside? Is your axle the same spline on both ends? Now you have me curious.
Engineer
930 CV's and yes the axle's float in both ends inside and out. About .750 tho of and inch Thur 18 inch's of travel. The 82 Chevy hub's are from and S-10 4X4. Bought them at Autozone. I had to build my adapters also. Mine are thicker then yours because I wanted to incorporate a hubcap to seal the bearing some. Also was some what worried about strength.
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Glen,
Where did you get, or did you make the black CV bell (circled in red) that goes through the OEM bearing? I am planning on using the OEM style CV retained by the nut. You are able to use the 930 CV on the outer with that adapter. I made the center of my adapters removable so I can drop the CV without removing the tire. Of course you never need to take the big nut off because the 930's are bolted on from the back side.
When you were talking spline counts I thought that you meant axle splines not bearing splines.
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Glen,
Where did you get, or did you make the black CV bell (circled in red) that goes through the OEM bearing? I am planning on using the OEM style CV retained by the nut. You are able to use the 930 CV on the outer with that adapter. I made the center of my adapters removable so I can drop the CV without removing the tire. Of course you never need to take the big nut off because the 930's are bolted on from the back side.
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Engineer
The axles came from KAR TEK WWW.KARTEC.com 2871 Ragle Way Corona, CA 92879 phone 951-737-7223. Part number is BRMS1000SA 27 spline $450.50 a pair. They are for the 930 CV's and fit the 82 S-10 front hub carriers.
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Engineer
The axles came from KAR TEK WWW.KARTEC.com 2871 Ragle Way Corona, CA 92879 phone 951-737-7223. Part number is BRMS1000SA 27 spline $450.50 a pair. They are for the 930 CV's and fit the 82 S-10 front hub carriers.
Thanks Glen,
Now there is some info to chew on.... I was totally confused, because I call the "axle" the thing between the CV's. ;) ;D
I am now enlightened. ;D
I think it is this: http://www.kartek.com/
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I can get you a pair of the 33 spline micro stubs for $280. 5 on 4.5 hubs to fit for $80 each. The 5 on 4.75 are more, have to look them up. The price difference would still be less than the 33 spline stubs to the 27 spline. The larger 33 spline does not add weight from what I have seen. The stub is bigger, but the hole in the hub is larger too so it seems a wash. You can also run the F150 CVs in the 33 spline.
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That appears to be the same one I am using on my rhino car. Mine fit a TJ Jeep, maybe others? Spline count looks like 28? Do I count the 'highs' or the 'lows'? Any who, mine were only $125 if I remember correctly. Stll seem to be the easiest way to go to me. Now I'm looking into brakes to fit, also.
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The ones pictured are 33 spline. I was off by $100 on the price for two. They are $90 each, meant to put $180, not $280.
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Damn.....so for $340 I could get both the stubs and hubs...where as I would have to pay $450 just for the stubs for my 27 spline S-10 hubs........anyone want to buy some brand new S-10 hubs...new in the box? ;D
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Damn.....so for $340 I could get both the stubs and hubs...where as I would have to pay $450 just for the stubs for my 27 spline S-10 hubs........anyone want to buy some brand new S-10 hubs...new in the box? ;D
PM me I'll take them for spares.
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Damn.....so for $340 I could get both the stubs and hubs...where as I would have to pay $450 just for the stubs for my 27 spline S-10 hubs........anyone want to buy some brand new S-10 hubs...new in the box? ;D
Remember the pattern for those is 5 on 4.5, not the 5 on 4.75 of the S-10. The 33 spline 5 on 4.75 are more if you were already set on that pattern, but would probably still be less than $450 for the stubs and hubs. I'll have to dig up the price on them.
You have to email the full size version of your avatar to get those prices though.
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The 5 on 4.5 are what I need....my front hubs are 5 on 4.5 so I was going to have to get two different bolt pattern rims for front and rear if I used the S-10 hubs.
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OK, shoot me now. I did not even read my first post before editing it. it was right the first time. It probably did not help that I listed the micro stubs as a pair and the hubs, each. So $440 for hubs and stubs.
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OK, shoot me now. I did not even read my first post before editing it. it was right the first time. It probably did not help that I listed the micro stubs as a pair and the hubs, each. So $440 for hubs and stubs.
That's still better then using the S-10 hubs I have........just to be sure, before I order them....the stubs are 930 CV pattern right?
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Yes, the stubs are for 930 CVs.