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Title: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 22, 2011, 07:57:03 AM: (https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi70.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi107%2F2088bob%2Fnicebuggy.jpg&hash=1a8e69060b67d0a86d369123cb8ac7e8fba75ce6)

this is my current street legal ride but i have a hankering for a really quick little single seat bike powered machine which i would make street legal i have a chance at a reasonably priced busa wreck

i like the look of the short sands cars rigs and also the barracuda from the edge it would be killer with a busa mill fully intend to use a differential box with reverser maybe a quaife or the one from short sandcars

i know get a bike i have a street bike a buell but i want a single seat street legal buggy

anybody got a bike powered buggy on the street
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 22, 2011, 08:20:30 AM: [quote ]

this is my current street legal ride but i have a hankering for a really quick little single seat bike powered machine which i would make street legal i have a chance at a reasonably priced busa wreck

i like the look of the short sands cars rigs and also the barracuda from the edge it would be killer with a busa mill fully intend to use a differential box with reverser maybe a quaife or the one from short sandcars

i know get a bike i have a street bike a buell but i want a single seat street legal buggy

anybody got a bike powered buggy on the street
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Don't be too quick to do that.................
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 22, 2011, 08:39:03 AM: have not done all the research yet as to what diff box to use i thought i saw one some where that bolted right to busa output shaft

why whats wrong with short sandcars box i would prefer direct bolton no chain but will see whats available i will have to have brakes out at wheels and could use the diff box mounted brake rotor for ebrake

Don't be too quick to do that................. ??????
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 22, 2011, 03:37:53 PM: any input on the jeffco reverser diff box looks like sandbullet has the box that bolts right to the output shaft of the busa motor
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: SPEC on February 22, 2011, 06:39:10 PM: I'll bet if you talk really nice to Fabr...He could hook you up with a killer coupler from the Busa to a 091 trans...MMMMMMMMM24 foreward gear selections and 6 reverse...
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: dsrace on February 22, 2011, 07:10:38 PM: if your talking about the box gear one designed for them that weighs 200 lbs and won't stay in forward gear or can't even keep oil in it cause it leaks out every seal then don't waist your time! the jeffco is ok but they still can't seem to get there stories straight or tell anyone what it can handle other than well this guy did this on a dyno!!
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 22, 2011, 07:34:53 PM: Quote from: Spec on February 22, 2011, 06:39:10 PM
I'll bet if you talk really nice to Fabr...He could hook you up with a killer coupler from the Busa to a 091 trans...MMMMMMMMM24 foreward gear selections and 6 reverse...
And I know a guy that WILL get you a quality built 091 transaxle too. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: SPEC on February 22, 2011, 07:47:28 PM: OH?
Whoze that...... rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Ya know it's coming...... drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning drowning

:n :m 5: :swig:

gg: ff:

DON'S BUS BOX :j :c :a ff: :m gg:

BBBBWWWWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA.....COUPH.....COUPH
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 22, 2011, 07:56:49 PM: Yea, I got one of Don's POS built 091 transaxles on my bench, in pieces right now.

Want a F#CKING CROOK!!! kick :slp :c

It only needed another $1600 in parts to be built right. nono
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: SPEC on February 22, 2011, 08:02:46 PM: GAWD
I hope Fabrs holds up...
or Don will have a crazy redneck on his ass...
;D
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 22, 2011, 08:08:32 PM: I'm waiting for my customer's permission, before me and DS post all the pics on the internet. :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 22, 2011, 08:10:05 PM: Quote from: Spec on February 22, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
GAWD
I hope Fabrs holds up...
or Don will have a crazy redneck on his ass...
;D
That's for sure. 8) 8) 8)

After seeing the build on this one, I don't know! ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 22, 2011, 08:39:49 PM: Ya,that's right,rub it in! You guys don't really want me getting started on Dons crap. I understand he's NOT soda blasting them now like he claims either. Is that the case? I'm working on the rear engine version of the 091/busa coupler now. I really like the mid engine setup but many want rear engine sooooo.............it's on the way.
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: dsrace on February 22, 2011, 10:56:22 PM: Quote from: masterfabr on February 22, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Ya,that's right,rub it in! You guys don't really want me getting started on Dons crap. I understand he's NOT soda blasting them now like he claims either. Is that the case? I'm working on the rear engine version of the 091/busa coupler now. I really like the mid engine setup but many want rear engine sooooo.............it's on the way.

good to hear cause I might have a test dummy for it! ;D
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 03:15:22 AM: What are you guys talking about i don't want any kind of vw trans i want a diff for a motorcycle powered car

trans man i understand you build trannys but the shipping cost to and from USA is enough to pay for a new rhino case i have a guy in michigan that does my trannys for me at least that way i can deliver and pick up myself and not get screwed over at border with brokerage fees

round trip for a t1 trans lets say to rancho costs 300 bucks way too much for shipping that money can all be put toward trans
the guy i uses is well respected in the silver lakes region

but that still gives me no input on a diff for a M/C powered car rear brakes is going to be an issue a well there has to be 2 and they need to be at the wheels to meet DOT here in ontario my just use a diff and fook the reverser
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: Carlriddle on February 23, 2011, 05:30:59 AM: You should read http://www.dtsfab.com/index/index.php?topic=206.0

Busa turbo > 091 trans, no chains, read!!!
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 06:29:13 AM: not spun on that idea at all then i would just build a single seat buggy ala 1/2 1600 style and slap my 450hp subie motor in it i want motorcycle powered and not have to bother with a vw tranny got all sorts of that stuff laying around now

looks like quaife to me

i very much like the look of the car from short sandcars i really like the idea of the Rage buggy but the car itself lacks style
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 23, 2011, 06:51:23 AM: Ever driven a 400HP busa car? I guarantee it'll outrun/run with a 450 HP subie. With the 6 speed handling the primary shifting and the 091 used as an overdrive/underdrive unit it's damn sweet to drive. BUT everyone has their preferences. 'nuff said.
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 08:26:15 AM: oh i agree with you thats why i am after lightweight bike powered car i see the performance advantage of the light weight so why would i want the a heavy vw bus trans in the mix i don't know how old you are but i have slugged more than my share of vw t2 boxes around to know for sure i am not interested in one in a bullet bike motor car

and i wouldn't be to hard on the subie motor my bunny powered car will run 12.20's till the sun falls out of the sky thats only 187 hp i can only imagine what my 450hp subie would do in that car

but the subie is slated for my hotrails car

i just like the idea of a light weight nimble little single seater which will gain some weight anyway when i add the street legal stuff

i am getting it narrowed down to a quaife or jeffco

i have a work scheduled for germany i may just bring a quaife back with me cut out the middle man

besides i already have a trans when i have the bike motor i will think about just a simple diff unit

when i was overseas last time germany is home i had a chance to ride a 500 suzuki quad the old 500cc 2 stroke quadzilla on the autobahn they allow quads on the road there this thing was set up for street duty lowered suspension sticky road tires regeared it was 1 hell of a fun ride but it sucked a bit in the corners no diff so this is what has wetted my appetite for a bullet bike motored single seater

enough said
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 08:41:41 AM: PS you actually have a setup like this running also not keen on mounting the motor long ways in chassis
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 23, 2011, 09:38:50 AM: Yes I have it running. Everyone has their own ideas. I understand your thinking and don't disagree. Do you understand why I have developed this?
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 10:30:53 AM: i understand fully but its not for me not what i want the offroad car in my avatar was mine alot of years back frankly i have kind had my fill of vw trannys it is an unnecessary evil of our hobby yes i could go with a mendy or fortin or albins but a modified vw will have to do cuz i am not spending the money for the others that's just the way it is and now that my interest lies strictly on the street my tranny breakage has been reduced a lot the t1 in my current has 45000ks on it and 5 years just had it freshen up i put more k's on my street rail in a season than any other street legal rail in all of Canada i average 8to9 thousand ks a year when my hotrails car is finally done and the old car goes i hope to pile up even more street miles everysummer

if the sun is shining i am out in my rail my buell is for sale just no time for 2 wheels any more plus it does not excite me anymore

and yes i drove a turbo 350hp busa lotus super 7 replica and that did stiffen the little stick

i had a look at that car on the transworx website i believe thats what its called the green one with the longitudually mtd busa and the carved up vw case absolutely not what i want very nice car but not my cup of tea just like tom pro who builds very nice car well thought out IMO i just don't like the look /style of the car but don't misconstrue that to mean his cars are no good don't like the styling and looks of the sinister cars either but they are no doubt excellent cars

so those are just my opinions and don't mean sh!t to anybody but me

have you had a chance to look at the european FIA autocross buggies now there is some tech stuff there but there cars are all ugly as sin as well
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 01:09:09 PM: http://www.autocrosscarsforsale.cz/en/component/adsmanager/?page=show_ad&adid=692&catid=5 (http://www.autocrosscarsforsale.cz/en/component/adsmanager/?page=show_ad&adid=692&catid=5)

not only is this car busa powered its also 4wd one of hundreds of high tech buggies like this in the european fia series
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 01:28:33 PM: if things dont pan out i my just go this way
(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi70.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi107%2F2088bob%2F693e_t-1.jpg&hash=81a8720de2aa2597aa6ebfdb01029faea05b9632)

this is also a busa powered car and 4 wheel drive
(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi70.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi107%2F2088bob%2F693k_t.jpg&hash=920d7dfc3e8d0da18ac782c5d471cd415b66bfea)

you can get better pics of this if you surf thru the website in the previous post this is one of hundreds out there
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 23, 2011, 02:07:13 PM: http://www.spiesmetaalservice.nl/04_projecten/index.html (http://www.spiesmetaalservice.nl/04_projecten/index.html)

if you can live with a 5speed busa box this outfit here puts reverse right in your busa gearbox it goes where 1st is and they have gears to change the rest of the box around they are in holland they are 6 hours ahead of us i will be contacting in morning
this would allow me to play with myfinal drive ratios to get what i need

click on producten the hyabusa reverse i speak and read a small amount of dutch thats what the description under parts says
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 23, 2011, 06:49:07 PM: For offroad,losing first is definately not an option IMO. Ya,I have checked out the stuff you show for a long time. Most of that stuff is quite nicely engineered and quite capable for the actual use they are designed for. Dunes and desert type stuff here tho is unique in how hard it is on a vehicle. Sort of an apples to oranges thing. Anyway keep us posted on what you do. It's all good.
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 24, 2011, 12:53:11 AM: Quote from: masterfabr on February 22, 2011, 08:39:49 PM
Ya,that's right,rub it in! You guys don't really want me getting started on Dons crap. I understand he's NOT soda blasting them now like he claims either. Is that the case? I'm working on the rear engine version of the 091/busa coupler now. I really like the mid engine setup but many want rear engine sooooo.............it's on the way.
It was just like yours Fabr, full of road tar. thumb down thumb down
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 24, 2011, 06:45:50 AM: Was the trans in front of you bought before or after the The Samba bash? If after,Don is even less scrupoulous than even I thought.

On another note a VW 091 without the bellhousing and flywheel/clutch weighs not much more than a jeffco and you have the same basic area needed for the 091 as a jeffco including chain. A busa mounted longitudinally also takes up no more room than a conventionally mounted one. And then there's the benefit of having ,on the fly,a choice of final drive ratios.
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: 2088bob on February 24, 2011, 08:35:14 AM: right now i am focused on the reverse in the busa box concept i am spun on that idea and will persue this until i have all the info , then i can get away from a reverser box and just go with simple diff not looking to go offroad anyway
I have witnessed both the old mickey thompson stadium series buggy races and FIA autocross when i was in europe and the autocross guys beat on their sh!t just as hard if not harder than the north american guys and very few DNF's
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: trans man on February 24, 2011, 11:44:17 AM: Quote from: masterfabr on February 24, 2011, 06:45:50 AM
Was the trans in front of you bought before or after the The Samba bash? If after,Don is even less scrupoulous than even I thought.

About one year ago. So I would say it was after that Fabr. :-X :-X :-X
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 24, 2011, 06:09:10 PM: Quote from: 2088bob on February 24, 2011, 08:35:14 AM
right now i am focused on the reverse in the busa box concept i am spun on that idea and will persue this until i have all the info , then i can get away from a reverser box and just go with simple diff not looking to go offroad anyway
I have witnessed both the old mickey thompson stadium series buggy races and FIA autocross when i was in europe and the autocross guys beat on their sh!t just as hard if not harder than the north american guys and very few DNF's
If not for any offroad use the quaiffe.
Title: Re: street legal bike powered sandrail
Post by: fabr on February 24, 2011, 06:17:15 PM: If it were me I'd calc the second gear ground speed at say 1500 engine rpm(just barely over idle) and see if that high a MPH was acceptable before I did the 1st gear/reverse gear conversion. I think you'll be surprised how high second is compared to first. It wouldn't be anything I'd want. Now, IF the second thru 6th were custom ratios that had second lower than stock and 6th slightly higher than stock and a more favorable split between them they'd really have something.