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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => Chassis and Suspension => Topic started by: fabr on April 01, 2009, 08:24:32 PM
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How much toe in change are you guys seeing just from the SLOP in these POS gear one /ragechina whoevers POS R&P are you guys seeing? Have you checked? If it were that sloppy on a street car you couldn't driuve a straight line! Hell I was setting R&P position tonight and measure that I have 5/8 inch toe change from the slop alone. I used bungees to keep the wheels at max toe out just so I could accurately check bumpsteer.
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How much toe in change are you guys seeing just from the SLOP in these POS gear one /ragechina whoevers POS R&P are you guys seeing? Have you checked? If it were that sloppy on a street car you couldn't driuve a straight line! Hell I was setting R&P position tonight and measure that I have 5/8 inch toe change from the slop alone. I used bungees to keep the wheels at max toe out just so I could accurately check bumpsteer.
Call Yoshi and get a real R&P. Mine has no discernable slop, of course I don't have a wheel attached to yank on yet. ;D
Then again I just remember that you had it apart....... Do you see any stray parts laying around. ;D ;D ;D
Exactly what did you clearance when you had it apart? ;D
J/K I couldn't stop myself. ;D
Sounds like that sucks. Is the rack part moving up and down, or side to side? So is it slop in the guideway, or gear backlash?
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There is too much clearance between top of rack and the cover. also between sides of rack and body. The rack just flops around. No way to close up the tolerances without mods.I'm not surprised at the slop as I've used these things before but I thought MAYBE a GEAR-ONE unit MIGHT be better. NOT! On the other hand when a person realizes these things are not sealed any dirt/sand/ROCKS that get in them might bind the POS up if not so sloppy. I guess a bit of mill time can fix the POS tho. BTW I thought this unit felt pretty tight until as you said,I hooked up the wheels to it.
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That's why I switched to the Kartek rack. It bolts right up, same mounts as the gearone...
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Tell me the internal differences.I've never had one from Kartek in my hands.
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Tell me the internal differences.I've never had one from Kartek in my hands.
basically the same, just beef cake-e-ir. There are a couple springs and ball bearing in the top of the rack pushing up against the bottom of the lid though.....
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That'd make a lot of difference IMO. As it is all the others just let the rack flop around inside the housing. There are only 3 bearing points as they are ,the bottonm ends of the rack and ontop being the pinion. That setup cannot take the slop out even if there were no clearance between the rack and pinion. What's the Kartek rack sell for?
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Around 4 bills.
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basically the same, just beef cake-e-ir. There are a couple springs and ball bearing in the top of the rack pushing up against the bottom of the lid though.....
There's nothing wrong with how beefy the gear-one rack is -just a copy of poor design like the cheapies are. I swear to God I'll never buy another gear-one product.
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Gear one, Import quality USA made pricing..
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Effin overpriced copies of junk designs. IMO only of course!
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I won't bitch about the quality of their work tho.
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I won't bitch about the quality of their work tho.
Is this in reference to the Gear One rack you are bitching about or something else? ;D
Your starting to confuse me!
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THe gear-one rack and the gear-one midboards.The rack is just as sloppy as a chinese cheapo with a much nicer look. The midboards have NO way to adjust the wheel bearings.
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Only way to adjust them and still no way to determine how tight the wheel bearings are on the Gear-one midboards is machining or shimming. Either way it requires a complete disassembly to do so. I SOOOOO wish that FMC had not gone out of business.
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ok I don't use the center load racks but my end load r&p's are latest rage. now I will be the first to state that the made in any third world toilet parts are junk! but I have to say that a good friend of mine bought a $300 saco r&p and actually bent it. that saco had the same slop in it that the latest rage does. he switched to the latest rage and has not bent it yet. I have checked, new I saw 1/4" toe change with the end load r&p's and after 1 year I saw 3/8" from the r&p. yes on the road it does raise some attention but I had no real problems keeping it in a straight line. I did not take it over 70mph though!
a guy with a taz car was telling me about a r&p that atv racing uses that he claimed was like power steering but what ever assist it has was done internally. does any one know of this or was that just a story?
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I see 5/8" approx change with the Gear-one rack.