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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => "AP" General Discusion => Topic started by: fabr on August 25, 2016, 09:59:42 AM
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Due to the crappy consistency of pump e85 I decided to source some E98 and blend quality e85 from it. Found a source that will supply 55 gal drums @ $5.09 a gallon shipping included. Hell of a lot cheaper than race gas.
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Since your going ahead with FI on motor, what about one of the flex sensors and let it adjust? Or can it not handshake and get along.
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It " CAN" but it isn't that good an idea on a high horsey motor,IMO. I don't wish to chance it with less than 85% with the compression I'm running and e98 by itself is really,really finicky.The power diff between 85 and 98 is pretty negligible if not looking for those last few ponies.
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Due to the crappy consistency of pump e85 I decided to source some E98 and blend quality e85 from it. Found a source that will supply 55 gal drums @ $5.09 a gallon shipping included. Hell of a lot cheaper than race gas.
considering the shipping cost and the barrels that is a good price!
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I thought it was great considering it will be as fresh as it gets. The drums will be filled tomorrow right out of the tap. 1 year guaranteed not to degrade at all. After that,they say up to 3 years storage but it will begin to degrade after a year.
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At what point do you have to flush and pickle for storage?
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At what point do you have to flush and pickle for storage?
Never comes to mind.My entire fuel system is ethanol proof. Everything in it is made for it. PEX bladder in tank,teflon inner fuel lines and alky rated regulator/pumps/injectors.
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Lubricate? Or will the mix fuel have some in it?
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Lubricate? Or will the mix fuel have some in it?
I may get proven wrong but IMO,it is not needed if the system is designed for it. I'm not going to run the e98 straight. It will be blended with good unleaded to bring it down to true e85 so I can have consistent fuel unlike the widely varying pump e85. I just will not chance an expensive motor with pump e85(my local only tested to 65% last week,never have seen it over 75%).
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You aren't quite getting it. I will add 9.75 gallons of pump ,ethanol free ,unleaded to 55 gallons of e98. That equals e85. Home brew? I don't see that as home brewing anything. Why do you see it as home brew? MANY racers do what I'm doing. I'm also assured I have fresh product unlike sunoco or VP alky. WHat I'm getting is literally right from the distillers tap as it is produced. That guarantees a full year ,at least, of having good fuel . Other sources are not guaranteeing anything . Lots of it may have been sitting in a warehouse for many months. I'm making the best choice for my needs of both high quality and money considerations. Doing as I am almost guarantees me I will not have phase separation issues that causes almost all of the corrosion problems people have with alky.
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Where you going to find pump that is ethanol free? Maybe in Kansas but not here in the west. You are adding 9.75 gallons of trouble is my guess? If you cut with 9.75 of race, what is the cost?
BTW, Kansas does not require ethanol labeling below 15%.
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You can guess all day long but you would be wrong. Yes ,we have pure gas at many pumps around here. I use it in all my air cooled motors and the generators. No ethanol issues at all. IF we did not have ethanol free available here I would use one of the unleaded,non oxygenated(no ethanol) VP or Sunoco offerings but that is not needed at all. You seem to think I am trying to do something unusual. I am not in the least. This is commonly done by racers . I'll guarantee you this much,VP and Sunoco are not using high quality unleaded to make their e85.
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A little 100LL and it will lube nicely.
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Not worried about lube issues.
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I am tuning my new motor on Fireball Whiskey so if I break down my fuel does not go to waste. And I can race my own car all weekend to see who can consume more "fuel".
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Are you worried about how you're going to get 9+ more gallons in an already full 55 gallon drum?
rofl
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I am tuning my new motor on Fireball Whiskey so if I break down my fuel does not go to waste. And I can race my own car all weekend to see who can consume more "fuel".
Cinnamon flavored exhaust ;D
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the cinnamon exh would be a nice change from fast's everclear exh smell rofl rofl
yummi we have eth free 87 octane here in neb as well at many pumps and here anything less than 10% ethy doesn't have to be labeled but there are 4 pumps that guarantee no alky in theres. now we have many stations with e 85 and a lot of refineries. there is one many have said stays consistent on west o st but no more than i will use i will test it at the pump to be sure. i know the winter blend is much lower because of our temps around here but i won't use it then.
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the cinnamon exh would be a nice change from fast's everclear exh smell rofl rofl
yummi we have eth free 87 octane here in neb as well at many pumps and here anything less than 10% ethy doesn't have to be labeled but there are 4 pumps that guarantee no alky in theres. now we have many stations with e 85 and a lot of refineries. there is one many have said stays consistent on west o st but no more than i will use i will test it at the pump to be sure. i know the winter blend is much lower because of our temps around here but i won't use it then.
Just filled up from the West O station over lunch hour.. Another tank of e90! ($1.54/gal) This has been verified from my flex sensor and my tester every time I go there. Our 91 octane at most stations around here always register 0% ethanol, and they are very happy to state that fact at the nozzle in my little town :D
Nice to see and keeps my small engines happy as well
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e90 in the danger ranger? giggity
Next thing we will know is theres a corn still in coffeyville, KS making best damn clear shine around. ff:
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Are you worried about how you're going to get 9+ more gallons in an already full 55 gallon drum?
rofl
rofl nope. I'm a miracle worker. ;D
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Just filled up from the West O station over lunch hour.. Another tank of e90! ($1.54/gal) This has been verified from my flex sensor and my tester every time I go there. Our 91 octane at most stations around here always register 0% ethanol, and they are very happy to state that fact at the nozzle in my little town :D
Nice to see and keeps my small engines happy as well
The possible and real issue I wish to avoid using pump e-anything is phase separation. As we all know alky is hydroscopic by nature and that means it will readily absorb h2o from any source . So? So,phase separation is a very bad thing to have happen. Alky stored in tanks full of atmosphere will have a fairly high water content whereas the anhydrous e98 I'm getting will have zero water in it. Cutting the e98 with real (non alky) unleaded assures me I have near zero water in my e85. That means no corrosion and no real possibility of phase separation. It also means a long shelf life .See?
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e90 in the danger ranger? giggity
Next thing we will know is theres a corn still in coffeyville, KS making best damn clear shine around. ff:
I checked every distillery in a 200 + mile radius of Coffeyville. NONE sell to the public.Maybe be one in Neb but out of cost/time effective range to drive after it. The distillery I am using is in Minnesota and sells a LOT of it to racers.
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Just filled up from the West O station over lunch hour.. Another tank of e90! ($1.54/gal) This has been verified from my flex sensor and my tester every time I go there. Our 91 octane at most stations around here always register 0% ethanol, and they are very happy to state that fact at the nozzle in my little town :D
Nice to see and keeps my small engines happy as well
and how is it liking the e90?
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I checked every distillery in a 200 + mile radius of Coffeyville. NONE sell to the public.Maybe be one in Neb but out of cost/time effective range to drive after it. The distillery I am using is in Minnesota and sells a LOT of it to racers.
where in minnesota?
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http://www.glacialplains.com/index.cfm?show=10&mid=3&pid=15 (http://www.glacialplains.com/index.cfm?show=10&mid=3&pid=15)
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and how is it liking the e90?
giggity
Ok, ok... I'll give that smiley a break lol
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Well I am just going to have to trust the frequency the GM sensor is telling my gauge to tell my goofy brain.. Kinda blasphemy having that part on my Ford truck, but the tuner crowd has that sensor dialed in for the most part so I will stick with it lol. My primary fuel map is dialed in on 50% for proper blending and cold start definitely is a bit more finicky the higher percentage I go, last night a cold start @ 50* took a bit more crank time to light off. I doubt I will be able to cold start below 30* on ethanol whatsoever with this motor, but thats what I like about a flex setup, have the sensor do the required fuel work instead of having multiple fuel tables.
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This is a handy little calculator. I did it the old way before I found this tonite.
http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html (http://www.intercepteft.com/calc.html)
Scroll down to Octane result from blending 2 fuels. Ignore the first 2.
I had it right doing it the old way but this is simple.. I'll take 2-4 gallon draws from the drum,add .6gal 87 to each to get 111 octane e98.n I'll add 8 gallons 87 to the remaining 47 gallons in the drum to make it e85. Easy peasy.