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General Discussion => The video room => Topic started by: dsrace on October 16, 2009, 08:27:01 PM
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here is a real short video of some of the trip. for the love of god I can't get the sound to match the video in the end. something with the go pro cams footage that does this with my video editing software, I have tried everything I can think of to stop it but nothing works. I am using adobe premiere elements 3.0 , can anyone tell me why this is happening???????? not just with dougs go pro but enemy's as well!!!!!
ok back to the video, cory is leading on his honda 450 dirt bike then his brother clay on his raptor next up is allan in his longtravel 3.8 v-6 then myself in mine then doug in his and heading up the rear is shane in his stroker air cooled long travel with the ds a-arm conversion. I think shanes motor is a 2180cc but not 100% sure, the reason I say this is because I was top of second to mid third gear through out this first lap run and I think shane was top of 3rd to mid 4th. doug where were you running?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BowvJe5_tfo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BowvJe5_tfo)
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I think I was running 3-4
Brian I got the SD cards back but my software does not recognise the file types you added. Can you send me your HI-8 tape so I can start making your video look amateure ;D J/K
Really though. I need your footage.
Good start on the video post up as well 8) 8)
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I see you finally got the pic e-mail !! LMAO
I will burn you a dvd on mpeg format and mail it to you but in the mean time the format on your sd card was written in adobe with my adobe premiere elements 3.0 software, see if you can find a down load online to open it.
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looks like you guys were moving fast.. i woulda fell behind in my slow rig..
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looks like you guys were moving fast.. i woulda fell behind in my slow rig..
still worth try come spring ;) ;) I think you should give it a try!
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Hey Dsrace what kind of camera and mount do you use? Kind of cool watching the vids I would like to get one before my next trip.
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Hey Dsrace what kind of camera and mount do you use? Kind of cool watching the vids I would like to get one before my next trip.
doug heim is actually recording on his go pro and I believe he sells them. send him a pm and he will hook you up, ask about the new hd go pro's with the better mic!
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here is the next piece of video and it's raw with no music. I didn't realize that you tube had a 10 min limit so I had to cut out 5 minutes and drop the pic quality a bit to get it to fit. this was the only nice day that weekend ( wheatherwise ) but it was still fun altogether.
http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a (http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a)
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doug I will have my raw footaged mailed off monday, sorry about the delay.
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Yee haw!!!!!
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wHO WAS THAT IDIOT WITHOUT A HELMET? LOL!!!!!
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Thanks I'll be giving you a shout later before spring Doug about getting me a camera.
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Excellent!
Hey I was missing my buggy for a little bit and wondered where the hell it went. It is all clear now!
WHAT??? NO HELMET?
Thanks for the footage Brian. I look forward to getting a start on the editing.
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doug I just don't have the time to put together a good video right now especially if I can't figure out how to align the audio to the video from the go pro footage. but i know you can great job with your software.
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wHO WAS THAT IDIOT WITHOUT A HELMET? LOL!!!!!
lol ;D ;D
I have no room to talk, I never wear one while i'm in the rail nor do my friends but it still funny!
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fabbr you'll have to show the wife, there is a little footage of her in deano's rail riding a wheelie over that hill. she seems to really like to wheelie, better make sure her new rail does! ;D ;D
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Yes,I showed her and you are right. She LOVES the wheelies. They bore me to death tho!
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Just so we're clear on this,the idiot without a helmet was ME! LOL!!!!
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Just so we're clear on this,the idiot without a helmet was ME! LOL!!!!
I thought you'd like that little piece of footage ;D
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I used to think the wheelies wouldn't appeal to me either but with this rail they are fun but if that was all the rail wanted to do than no that would get old very very fast! I have seen a number of rides down there were all they seem to be able to do is wheelie, I don't know how they stand it but on the otherhand they probably don't know any different.
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lap two footage. doug is still filming. the video started off with myself leading then shane then doug then dougs friend troy I think then allan but doug decided he didn't want to be behind shane anymore and jumped in behind myself. NO one wanted behind allan with his 16.50 uncut eliminator paddles they shove buckets of sand! I got to send a thanks out to doug for being a good sport, putting up with my spray to get some good chase video of me! doug I talked to the wife ( ceo! ) and this spring we will be in contact to make a trip to your neck of the woods.
http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a (http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a)
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well they didn't like on of the three songs I used in the video and won't tell me which one so they just yanked the audio, that's a bunch of crap for a home video!!!
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lap two footage. doug is still filming. the video started off with myself leading then shane then doug then dougs friend troy I think then allan but doug decided he didn't want to be behind shane anymore and jumped in behind myself. NO one wanted behind allan with his 16.50 uncut eliminator paddles they shove buckets of sand! I got to send a thanks out to doug for being a good sport, putting up with my spray to get some good chase video of me! doug I talked to the wife ( ceo! ) and this spring we will be in contact to1 make a trip to your neck of the woods.
http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a (http://www.youtube.com/user/minirail#p/a)
Let'smake it a DTS Northern Lights Tour!When you thinking of doing it?
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Im thinking late May or June! Im open for dates but no busy weekends! Lets make it an extended weekend! . Ill host the event with some snacks and beverages, I recomend we all camp at the same place (Sandy Shores). There is no alcohol at the dunes permited although some sneak it in (not me). Im sure Spec can make this one as its closer for him.
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Ill show you all how to jump at Silver Lake!
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Why don't we try for early june?
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sure!
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that may just work and would be a great way to test out the newer smaller powerstroke I just bought! ;D doug what is the earliest the dunes open in the season? what time of the year is the better weather as in not 100 or below 70 during the day? what kind of gear should we bring, ie winter and summer in other words what can we typically expect for what times of the year up there A?
what do they have for hook ups in the camp grounds? just so all know what kind of restrictions are there on the sand ie spark arrestors, flag mounts, noise/db range etc etc?
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Man one question at a time Eh?
Im off to bed. You have my brain working too hard. But weather should be great then. Upper 70s to 80s during the day, Upper 50s to 60s at night
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Man one question at a time Eh?
Im off to bed. You have my brain working too hard. But weather should be great then. Upper 70s to 80s during the day, Upper 50s to 60s at night
that is why man came up with JD&coke! I wonder if yoshi can make it too, I have yet to get him to meet up with me at the dunes when we can all ride together I would really like to go for a ride with him in one of his rails like he said a long time ago!
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Hehehheheeeee
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DS I think you and I would be putting on mufflers and spark arresters
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They are way more concerned with spark arrestors than they with sound output at Silver Lake, but it is possible to get a sound check. I've never even seen anyone get one, though.
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To get in Silver Lake...
I have seen a lot of sound checks (on busy weekends) Labor day, Fourth of July, Memorial days are the worst. The weekends before and after holidays are busy and they do them then to. The rest of the time the noise check is hit or miss. Its like 98 decibles to get in. But you will here way louder out there.) and they will pull over a quite vehicle to test it while some noisy as hell machine plunders on through. They CLAIM its a random numbers pick to test a vehicle for sound (They have little hand held counters in thier paws and every time it hits say a 7 for the last digit they may make THAT vehicle do a sound test. That way they are being fair and not picking on just anyone... ::)
The testers never do the test the same twice due to poor training and this can make you fail or pass due to thier incompetence.
They will poke a long fiberglass stick in any exhaust that does not appear to be stock on a quad or simialiar or say US Forrestry approved.
They are looking for that little screen that stops the sparks. If you do not have that you best have SOMETHING. Diffuser discs on Supertrapp type exhausts are good too. Make sure its forrestry approved!
At Silver lake a flag MUST be on the back of it if you ride ON IT.
And it must be on the FRONT of it if you ride IN IT! No exceptions!
1 foot back from the front will only work sometimes. Get it within inches! We were let in for 3/4 of the summer with the flag mount less than one foot from the front of my friends Pilot then one day it was not good enoguh and they would NOT let it in till it was on the front. (Even the guys I know there)
So we put it about 1 foot out in front of the bumper. Just to be sure.
I plan to make a much better nicer mount even with the front bumper this week for him for it.
The dunes are directional in most places so you need to obey this or risk a ticket. Its pretty hard to mess up in most places IF you can read a HUGE bill boards saying "WRONG WAY" but there are many it seems cannot read.... Then cry when they get stung with a tickee.
If you hit the dunes With Doug or Dave (Odypilots) they will show you the way and places. The directional zones are to keep everybody in those zones going the same direction so you do not meet head on on top of a dune going like hell. But there ARE other places where this can still happen.
Not helmets needed if you have a roll cage. Helmets on Quads/bikes AT ALL TIMES you are riding even in the parking lot or loading/unloading. It over a $100.00 ticket if they catch you. Speeding or donuts or burnouts in the parking lot is also a good way to get a ticket. Save the power for the open dunes unless you like funding the ticket kitty.
One officer is REALLLLLLLLLY good a giving out the parking lot tickets. Hes a mean one.
Alcohol in the parking lot is a no no and a good ticket. Sometimes they make you just pour it out but don't risk it. Same goes for if they ask if you have it and check your cooler and find it at the entrance. You WILL pour it out. You MIGHT get a ticket.
In the dunes alcohol is a ticket and you loose it. No breaks. If you are drunk while driving you WILL get a drunk driving ticket! The guy is a actual Sheriff and rides a raptor and you cannot tell hes a Cop till hes ten feet away and by that time hes 99% chance seen you if you are drinking.
Same goes for an accident. If you tip over or roll he will likely check you out when hes there. If you aint drunk then your just having a bad day driving. You get a tow bill maybe and whatever damage you might have sustained. If your drunk he busts yah.
They have a speed limit (15 mph) on the entrance ramp and the exit AND a stop sign at the exit. Obey these or risk a ticket. If your not sure crawl for a speed till you get to/from the dunes. They have speed limit signs so you KNOW you are in it. The stop sign is somtimes watched and running it is a fine. (People cross there with kids) They DO monitor the ramps at times with a radar gun.
Also no passing on the entrance ramp. Signs are there and getting caught costs yah. Unless a person is broke down and stopped with the hood up! Don't even go by a person who waves you by! The ramp is sorta long and kinda narrow. Two large trucks cannot drive side by side on it. Two buggies cannot really unless minis. Bikes try and do pass but sometimes they get caught. Its sometimes tough to ride a two wheeled bike that slow though. On the exit ramp it kinda files down from the dunes to a single lane. Playing nice here is best. It gets real abrupt just before the stop sign and you best be doing 15 mph or less or risk the ticket gestapo. They ignore this place a lot then they watch it like its Fort Knox gold.
In short. No alcohol near the park. Flag ON front of buggy. Drive nice in the parking lot(and into and out of it). Obey the directional traffic and out jump Doug. (Good luck on that one!)
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Oh yeah if its a ride IN vehicle its got to have a top OR a roll bar.
Like you can ride in the back of a Chevy Blazer with the top on. BUT if the tops off then there needs to be a rollbar over the riders in the back.
Same for jeeps etc.
Of course some of the roll bars they let out there to "protect" the people will make you laugh cry and cringe at the same time. No way would many of them support the vehicles weight and most of the ones that would would still sink in the sand and pop the riders necks.
I have also seen roll bars that were not as tall as the riders. But they were let right out there.
They will also let riders in the back of a jeep/blazer with no rear roll bar IF they have helmets on. ::) :P :P Some people just have NO clue.
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I like our "wild west" LS better already. LOL!!!!!!
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He is not lying but I have never had 1 issue! SL is great as long as you flow the rules, and Nuts pionted out the drastics. I have only heard of the drastics on the busy weekends. I dont to busy weekends. We will all be fine, stick wit me an just put on a sparky or a screen on the exhaust and mount your flag in front. Youll be good! Brian... This time I lead :P
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I forgot to add that the water that now seems to stay in spots each year now is NOT shallow! Don't try to cross it unless your buggy (and you) got a snorkle!!
Watch some big trucks first IF you cannot resist a water puddle! Tehy be DEEEEEP in some spots!
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That is some funny $hit to watch those idiots
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My wife will hit a waterhole flat out on her quad and just skim the top . She's made it across a 60'+ wide patch of water before.
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Of course you have to choose a good entry/exit point or you're getting WET! LOL!!!!
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Some of these ponds lend themselves VERY well to water skipping on a quad. I used to do it on my Banshees but I would NOT try it on no Polaris I own now.
But some of these holes can eat a trucks front end with 6 inches of lift and 36 inch tires so you cannot see the hood.
IF you do not make it across quads USUALLY float... ;D
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Last time the pond at LS was big I laughed my arse off at a guy and his buddy. One had a sport quad and the other a utility one. The dude on the utility one made a run at it full speed and at the moment he should have had it pinned he let off just momentarily. Well he skimmed about 1/2 way across and then nose dived. All I say for a bit was his feet sticking straight up out of the water. His helmet stuck in the mud and he had to get it off so he could get his head above water. LOL!! THEN he dove under to get the helmet. When he came up he then noticed the quad floating UPSIDE doen. I never sawe a helmet fly so far in my life. He must have thrown it a hundred feet. It was the highlight of the trip-----UNTIL--- his buddy on the sport quad thought he's show how it was done. Silly fooker did the same thing but for sticking his head in the bottom. It was a great spirit booster for the spectators anyway.
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ok I have to ask it I spit on the ground in the parking lot will I get a ticket? lol can we cook over an open flame in the campground or is camping in the campground ticket worthy too! I can take one of my headlights out to mount the flag on the nose and create a blind spot but the spark arrestor will be a bit trickier! I have 3" tip tube but the ends are swedged down 3/4" so I am not sure what to do with that especially since I have alumicoated it.
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Screen and hose clamp. If you spit Ill ticket you :police:
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Hey Doug Start getting the size of the people goings tail pipes and make some professional looking aluminum clamps with a little screen.
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Good idea
Everyone give me your pipe hole size. (keep minds out of gutter!)
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I aint 100% sure BUT if you use approved screen (if there is such a thing?) Or is it just metal screen?) they might be truely legit. How its held there should be of no consequence.
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Well they use a 3/8" diameter rod. A good tight (or not tight?) metal screen should work well. For a clean look, a split aluminum clamp should hold it.
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I would think tight is better. (as would most........ :P )
Might take a peek at some sparkies necx time your at the ATV shop to try to find screen that si at least close jsut in case they peek at it and go Hmmmm. Being the clamp is not going to say "US forrestry approved".
Or is it??? ;D
That might be one you don't wanna touch.
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simple engraving right? :P ;D 8)
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IF (I AINT condoning it!!) it was done the times I have seen it its fine STAMPED letters.
Take a peek at a couple sparkies to see it.
CNC it aint! :police:
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OK SINCE YOUTUBE IS NOW CENSORING MUSIC!!
I cut it down and put it on photobucket with audio, here it is
(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi218.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fcc317%2Fdsrace%2Fth_oct09justcruzinaround.jpg&hash=8840239e7c637140500f1abd532ec99aef4cd52d) (http://s218.photobucket.com/albums/cc317/dsrace/?action=view¤t=oct09justcruzinaround.flv)
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my tail pipe is 3" od and the last 1 1/2" to 2" is swedged down 3/4".
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Can we park in our camp spots and drive our rails to the gate? Or do we have to trailer them to the gate unload, go out the gate play reload trailer back to camp ground???????
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Can we park in our camp spots and drive our rails to the gate? Or do we have to trailer them to the gate unload, go out the gate play reload trailer back to camp ground???????
Maybe I should let Doug handle this one.... Nah!
Now before you take ANY of this to heart I am describing the worst case scenes. This is usually the Labor day, Forth of July, and Memorial day weekends. These ARE the best times to see idiots being stupid out there but the crowds to fight to get in are a PAIN IN THE ASH! The weekends before and after are not so bad but a lot of folks now go before or after just to avoid the worst crowds. Two weeks before or after a holiday and its no sweat (Unless an unusually lot of folks decide to show up just cause they did)
If the sands been dry its smooth of course but if its been raining in the last couple days before you get there on a busy weekend it gets pretty rough with ruts in many spots. Another GREAT reason to go on less busy weekends. Or to get there say Tuesday or Wednesday. The dunes have time to smooth out.
This below is worse case. If you go on a non holiday weekend you should have no real issues getting in the parking lot WITH your trailer
Here's a link to a nice Silver Lake cite.
http://www.silverlakeforum.com/ (http://www.silverlakeforum.com/)
This link shows the dune are and parking lot in a decent drawn pic.
http://www.silverlakeforum.com/index.php/topic,2888.0.html (http://www.silverlakeforum.com/index.php/topic,2888.0.html)
The nearest campsite to the parking lot area is a about two miles. You have to go thru the parking lot area to get to the dunes too (see second link above). There ARE poeple who drive paddle tired vehicles from thier campsites to the dunes ON the paddle.
(Heck you wiill even see the occasional fool doing paddle tire burnouts on the asphalt with HUGE paddles! Usually jeeps and trucks. $$$$ crazy)
As long as your not driving like a Hooligan the cops will not bug yah with the non street tires.
Many buggy guys run the desert tracks as they work well in the sand but have the smoother center rings for the short road trips.
The rail SHOULD be street legal! Many are not and get away with it but many get tickets.
Towing IS allowed but on the street no straps. It MUST be a solid connection like a hitch towbar or specially built for the rail bar. (There are some folks around here who have some really creative towing bars and setups that keep the $$$ paddles off the ground yet allow them to get in on the busy weekends easier).
People also ride in the towed buggies. Some days some cops let this slide. Others they do not.
But as mention if Doug sets it up on a non Holiday time you will be able to get in the dunes parking lot with little to no delays.
Some people like parking in the far South east corner of the duens as its a short walk out to the stores. DAR (David Allen Racing) and Appletree, and The Chassis Shop.
Others like the far South west corner as its near the Flush toilets. The other South East corner is in ground vault toilets.
If you got a rig with a toilet you will be envied!
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Sounds like a cluster fook. How many acres are usable for full size buggies?
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I don't see any map with the second link.
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I dunno 3 or 4 acres........... ;D
The map is the first post in the second link. Its a Jpg. Img.
On the holiday weekends its a cluster fook indeed.
BUT those ARE the best weekends to see a fool in a full size blazer or extended cab pickup bouncing literally three to four feet in the air over the moguls at the base of test hill doing 50 mph!!!!
I have seen quads and dirt bikes fly up when the straps break or let loose and get SLAMMED into the truck bed bottom then bounced out.
Yep! They try this with quads and bikes in the back. It makes it worth the trouble getting in when really stupid ones are out there.
They get a big run at the hill only to realize toooooo late they are in a section best reserved for long travel buggies! Hilareeeeeeous!
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Do you have to be a member to see pics there? Nothing shows up .
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Here is my thing. My rail dose not fit in the trailer with the paddles on. So I would have to change the tires over to get from the gate to the campground and break camp to go out in the dunes. Seems like a major pain in the a@@. DS and I were talking of coming with my flat and enclosed to have a camp and a way to get to the gate. Really sound like they need a trail from the camp grounds. Hell I would pay a trail fee to not have to load and unload all the time.
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No way am I going to try to maneuver a 43 footer around some parking lot.
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I don't think you need to be a member there. I could look at pics on it before I was a member.
See if this workz.
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Notice in the lower left corner of the red they have "Not a restroom" There are other spots in the dunes where some woods are with lotsa snakey banked trails that are fun on quads and some people think its OK to "rest" there.
Get caught and it will be some $$$$ $hit. Even a pee out there can be $$ if they catch yah "with your pants down".
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I'm sure it is a fun place to ride but with my luck and all the rules you guy have talked me out from EVER going to Silver Lake to play. Sounds to me, they don't want people their. I hope you all have fun and all you have to pay for is your trip.
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lol I do not mean to make it sound like a bad place so much as to not want anyone from here to go there and have issues.
Doug likes it and he wouldn't steer yah wrong would he?? :-X
On the slower weekends its actually a nice place.
Less people and less cops (and DNR) and the cops (and DNR) are not as nasty as the big weekends.
On the slow weekends if you just play nice in the parking lot you will have no issues.
Trust in Doug. I doubt he would tell yah to come IF it was totally horrible. He already mentioned he would not go on the busy weekends just because of that.
Just do not plan to go on a holiday weekend unless you like zoo's. If a holiday weekend is planned I can outline what needs to be done to actually get in.
But on a off weekend. Its a lot of fun. Just not as many idiots doing dumb things but to many people thats a good thing.
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A really good thing. I've had enough of idiots getting in the way whether on a quad or in a buggy. Seriously though ,with a 43 foot trailer is there any way to get to the dunes other than trying to take it into the parking lot or the ,what,2 mile drive on PADDLES on pavement? It sounds/looks like there isn't room for my trailer in the lot. Where is the camping?
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You should have little trouble with the trailer as there are quite a few that big. Some bigger. Camping is at several different areas. The closest of which is a couple miles. The place Doug likes is a little farther.
Big trailers (like everything else) only have issues on the busy weekends.
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The big ones have no problem with traffic or such in the parking at the entrance? Well ,in that case we have a deal back in the making. I wonder if the car LOOKS street legal if a person would get stopped on the street to the parking lot from any of the camp areas. If caught ,how do they fook with you then?
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azzholez driving bad piss off the cops on the bad weekends then they sometimes just start busting everyone.
Acting like an angel till you get in the dunes usually means you get one riding on your shoulder. Smae goes for the devil.
The parking lot entrance takes a wide swing but some folks bring Semis in there with 53 foot trailers.
The approach to the dunes entrance is important too. But easy to do. Longer things should come in from the east.
I have a 16 foot box truck and a 34 foot box trailer and I can get in and out of there no sweat with it.
As for driving a car illegally on the street. Thats up to your angel.
If caught its like any time you get yanked. Cops in a good mood and your not an ash. Likely a warning.
Cops in a bad one and you be a ash. Anythings possible.
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cops just sound like they hate duners!! I have to agree with the above statement it really does sound like they are trying to discourage people from duning for more than a day or from coming in out of town or state!! if they won't allow driving to the gate then they should provide courtesy trailer/shuttle service, not everyone has a truck that can pull two trailers one to sleep in and one to haul with. I will have to figure something out to avoid changing tires every time out that is the only hang up I have!
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Nutz quit scaring everyone! Its not that bad! :police: 8)
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lol No its not so bad.
Look at it this way. I have a place near the dunes cause I like to be near them so much! I go there ALL the time (12 miles by asphalt and 9 miles by the "short cut" dirt road) to the dunes entrance) and never have issues cause I know what you can and can't do and being a "good guy" does not take much! Being a good guy just menas you do not get in trouble. I have been coming here for 20 years plus now.
I prefer Glamis just for its intensity but this place is fun. Dumont is pretty cool too but really remote. I wish I knew more about LS in Oklahoma but everyone who goes there rants about it so its gotta be pretty cool. The pics and vidoes make me want to go there at least once just to check it out. I am looking fo work in that neck of the woods too.
Sadely I got a place near these dunes (Silver Lake) as I was expecting to be working in Detroit for the next umpteen years. Be able to drive home here on the weekends and have the toys ready to go.
Now that thats gone I really am wishing I would have gotton a place out west in Phoenix just for the job market. Then Glamis would have been my playground. It still might be soon.
I cannot find much work near LS Oklahoma. Salt Lake city has my eye and attention as well. It looks like a VERY good place for a dune-head. Close to many dunes and Glamis only 12 hours. I'll take that ball and roll with it if I can.
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Nutz quit scaring everyone! Its not that bad! :police: 8)
Not bad at all till ya get thrown in the local gray bar. BTDT,kinda ruins a guys trip ya know. LOL!!!
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Well a lot has happen in the last couple of weeks. Doug it looks like I have a reason to come to Silver Lake and play in the sand with all of you now. None of you may care but I have to tell everybody. I was born in Flint Mi 49 years ago and my mother gave me up for adoption. I was raised here in Missouri by wonderfull parents who have sense pass away. I have never looked for my birth family because of taking the chance of hurting my adoptive parents even though they said it was OK, it has always been in the back of my mind wondering about them but I felt that at my age they would possibly passed also and never thought about having brothers or sisters. A couple of weeks ago I got a letter from Michigan child services asking if I was my name and was I born 04/06/1960 in Flint Mi if I was please call this number. When I did and told her I was that person she was looking for she explained to me that I had a younger sister looking for me. Than went on to tell me I was one of four children a older sister a younger brother and a younger sister. Sad to say that my younger brother has passed away and they didn't have any contact information about my older sister but I have got to talk to my younger sister on the phone. I didn't realise how much it would mean to ever find my birth family till it happened. I plan on driving to Flint to meet her sometime so Doug if I happen to bring my buggy with me on a trip to Flint lets hook up and ride together so you can keep me from getting all those tickets that everybody been talking about. You all have a good one, be safe on the sand and never give up looking if you happen to be adopted also.
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I am looking forward to it! Good luck my friend.
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Thanks
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My wife is adopted. She's never said anything but you can see it in her face that she'd like to know-----the unknown i guess it is.
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Masterfabr tell your wife to watch Find My Family on ABC not sure what channel it is on but she can watch it on ABC's website there has only been one show so far but it does explain some of the feelings that she might be having.
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cool
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That's a touching story SD 8)