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UTV's Off Road ( RZR, YXZ, Mini Buggy, Carts,etc.) => UTV Controls and Electrical => Topic started by: Carlriddle on December 27, 2012, 05:59:39 AM
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Ok so I was in a hurry and put the shifter between driver and mid seat connected by a straight shaft. Works ok, but little in way. So was thinking about moving to dash or behind steering wheel (6 on the tree style)and using a cable. Looks to be about 8-10'. So any problems with that length. It will have to curve out of dash and down drivers side, nothing drastic.
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Length is not an issue. Too short radius bends will be. Make any bends as large a radius as possible.Bends add friction and slop to the action.
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Whats too small a radius? I was thinking 12-18" rad, too tight?
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It'll work better if you use two cables (pull-pull) instead of one which would be (push-pull)...... twice as expensive though.
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No need for 2 cables. 12-18" radius is good for 1/4" cable. A single 1/4 inch one will be fine. I admit the ultimate might be 2 smaller cables and/or if needing a very tight radius install.Can be a big PITA also. You will know if the radius is too tight when the inner cable will not easily slide in the sheath. This is for a shifter. That means the spring pressure of the shifter lever will need to be able to push/pull the cable all by itself easily. I have almost zero slop in the single cable setup and a very solid feel to it. Just remember with cables that the straighter the run the better.
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i was looking at a 1/4" and it claimed good to 5" radius. It will need to make a 90* coming off dash to go down drivers side.
Next question, good place to order one up? And the throw on cable I'm guessing thats ea way or total.
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Yes,it will do a tight radius but the internal friction will be too high. Fine for just a push/pull cable but for something that needs the shifter lever spring to self center.........................................well,not IMO.
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Cable will make a good 12-18 rad bend. Where/what brand for something decent good that wont break the bank?
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You insinuate there is such a place. rofl rofl rofl ;D ;D I just go to ITP (Inland Truck Parts ,there will be something similar in most major cities) in Tulsa and have the guys make mine up. I prefer to have them build one end,go home,detrermine EXACT routing,mark it and taake it back for the other end assembly. I have found that even a 1/2" diff in length makes the diff between just right and fooked up.
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Just curious but was the rod linkage not solid enough due to deflections? That could possibly be solved by adding more bearing points or going larger rod or even tubing.
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This Morse cable is most likely too short for what you are trying to do, but I do have it available if interested. 56 1/2" center of mount threads end-to-end. Built by ITP.
Every time I have them build one for me they run around $120?
I let this on go for $50+ shipping to anyone that may be interested or needing this length BTW
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Because of the seats I used, there is little to no space between them. I had it jump out/change gears a few times just from going over bumps. The movement of cushions would push the shifter. Finally adjusted it forward enough. Its a little in way and middle passenger must get in/out from passenger side or risk being hurt or amused by shifter? You can see in pic how close the seats are, and well it your not careful you cop a feel of someones leg. (see Enemy's face) LMAO
Sorry Enemy, that cable is too short. :'( :'(
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Can you use a bell crank to make your 90? You could then have all solid rod, one vertical and one horizontal.
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Ok so I was in a hurry and put the shifter between driver and mid seat connected by a straight shaft. Works ok, but little in way. So was thinking about moving to dash or behind steering wheel (6 on the tree style)and using a cable. Looks to be about 8-10'. So any problems with that length. It will have to curve out of dash and down drivers side, nothing drastic.
What about placement as left hand shift? If I remember correctly you have about a foot of elbow room over there ;D Shortens the cable up and takes out a major bend? Or solid linkage to cable setup?
Just throwing shit out there..
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My thought exactly.
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Could also possibly mount it to dash crossbar and use a bellcrank as earlier suggested.
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you will have a dash soon so if your mouinting the shifter on the cross tube beside the steering wheel then you can just run a big hoop out and zip tie it to the hood cross bracing. that large of hoop which would be 180 * bend essectially but in a like a 16" to 24" hoop wouldn't hurt anything and if you go with the 1/4" push pull from inland truck like wes and what jon has then you would be just fine. those cable those guys make are great and tied in a pretzel you can still use 2 fingers to easily slide it.
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Um,not in a pretzel......................... ;)
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no you cannot leave the cable bent up like a pretzel but all of the ones I have had made at ITP in omaha ne i have twisted them and tired the 2 finger test and they past! some maybe a little stiffer than others but all moved fairly free for me.
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lol!! agreed.
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I plan to mount the shifter where you push forward/back for action. Not up/down. My thought was only 90* turn instead of the 180*. Havn't messed with buggy much in last few weeks time to get back on it. Just thought I'd start another project since I've not finished the other 6. rofl drowning rofl But I've got most all the pieces order to finish everything up, hopefully.
And I've another $$$ pit I'm into now, details soon. But I'll say this my f150 4dr truck is for sale. ;D
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Think about that a bit more Carl. YOu can do a dash mount,have forward/back action AND have no 90 in the cable. If you don't figure it out I'll paint something up when I get to work in a bit.
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Black X is pivot point. Blue is shifter with the 90* direction change as needed. Green is bottom exit cable. Doing this will give the cable the most direct routing to the rear of car,I believe ,assuming I understand your situation correctly.
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Yeah I can do the pivot part. Just the cable be easier ;D and prob a little easier to hide under dash. But I want a good feel when shiftin. So?
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Then do this.Loop the cable to the front,down to the floor and then back.Big,large radius loop would do the trick nicely and the cable would be pretty much out of the way.
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That work too, give me an up/down for shifting. I'll look at them and see which gives largest radius.
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There's this variation also.
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Then do this.Loop the cable to the front,down to the floor and then back.Big,large radius loop would do the trick nicely and the cable would be pretty much out of the way.
I would do this one.
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and what do you money pit project your starting on? rofl rofl lol ;)