Monkey Ears and ISIS

[fabr]

Ya,but it's our fault they can't get out of the ghetto (or whatever).

[sandracer1]

Damn now I am cofused, we, them, us, you.
Shit where do I fall?
Oh I know, all of them. Depending on the slant.

[sandracer1]

1) I do not idolize the folks at Bundy and that assertion is insulting. I just pointed out that they (according to you) pointed their guns and anger directly at the forces they were angry with. Directed anger and action is much easier to deal with. Displaced anger, protest, looting, and rioting the community is hurting the community. It served no purpase and is an action of pussy's and opportunists.

If you attack me I do not go after your neighborhood as a reaction to your actions.

2) One cop was involved in the MB case. The rest said F it. Protect yourselves. Most of the cops in Ferguson resigned and left. NOT FIRED. Interim chief included!

"they" alienate themselves. Blacks are by far the most racist of any race. The actions, demands, and propaganda they spew and teach their young. I need a white caucus, a white college fund, affirmative action based on skill not color, etc... The comparison to white kids under 30 is bogus, that generation is LAZY and expects handouts just like a large part of the blacks. The notion of work slips by them. This only has to do with entitlement as well.

3) It is not "our" problem. I have a solution if they try and drag me into their silly ass black lives matter shit. Any person that challenges the police causes their own problem. I have been harassed and "picked on" by police. The fact is they are the authority like it or not. If their lives matter to themselves they would not act as they do. They do not  respect the police, they respect no one. I assure you, if you threaten me... your life does not matter, no matter your color. I am armed 24 hrs a day and I will take your life before you take mine. No regrets! And we have had this conversation before, so do not tell me how it will eat away at me. IT WILL NOT.

4)Oh my God Yummi, really, Johnson 40 years ago? That is non-sense and that kind of thinking is what keeps them where they are at. We just bent over backwards for 11 of them. The 9 that did not make it, who is to blame? Please enlighten me!!!!!!!! At 21 I was offered a carrer path and opportunity. I did not let it slip by. My choice to do so. And if I did not it was MY choice not to.

5) I am all for free speech. But the rules have to be the same for both sides. I am not sure what specific situation this is referring to but let people say what they wish and I will do the same. They are butt hurt way easier than I am and if I am butt hurt I will lash out. Plain and simple. When you come to my community to protest and riot and infringe on my rights and safety... see comment 3

When the black community has as much outcry about black on black crime then I will listen and give their concerns some serious thought. When they say it is different, it truly shows their ignorance and that black lives do not matter to them.

Lots of them and theys in there for you Yummi. I did not make that distinction until about 2 years ago. "Black" lives matter drew that line for me so here I stand on the other side. They refuse to make the change to all lives matter so I guess that says it, right?

I would love for you to come to my town and my work place for a month. Your misguided views would change. Watch my local news as the 17 year old kid drags a 70 year old woman out of her car beats her in the head and steals her car. breaks into a house and rapes and kills a 60 year old woman. I am sure you have seen the 2 "good black kids" that raped and killed the pregnant pastors wife. That was their 3rd crime for the day. Their lives DO NOT MATTER!!!! If I could throw the switch myself I would.

Every coal mine has several exits. They keep a canary in a cage for a reason. If you set it free like the black community is, the canary will find a way out! That sir is a silly analogy. Even a canary knows it's life depends on it.

Damn man my fingers hurt!

[Yummi]

The Bundy ranch difference is the whites went and pointed their guns at the police and put their lives on the line not others lives and property.

1) I do not idolize the folks at Bundy and that assertion is insulting.

"Put their lives on the line..."  Is generally a phrase used for police, military, and others who act in a courageous fashion.  Forgive me for thinking you were using it in that context. 

See, in my view, they did nothing "courageous."  They shuttled unarmed women and children to the front of the lines so police would not shoot.  Seems as though they put "others lives on the line?"   Last time I checked, pointing a loaded weapon at a Federal Officer was a felony.  Much like destroying property can be a felony.  Again, no difference between Bundy and Ferguson.  Well, except the Blacks went back, night after night, to get their ass handed to them, mostly unarmed. 

I don't for a minute excuse any part of the Black community that fails.  I also don't behave as though all of their concerns are invalid.  Some concerns are overstated, some "leaders" have no productive agenda.  I move pretty freely in that community, something I sense you do not do.   That might be the difference between you and I?

It seems you have a lot of anger towards the black community and do not appear open to understanding or learning any of the history or complexities of it. You may want to read the full Ferguson report.  It is remarkable, and clearly outline systemic issues.  It is not an isolated case. 

I respect that for you it is easier to stay in a comfortable world that makes sense.  Fair enough.  We view it differently.

[fabr]

I pretty much agree with BOTH of you. The black community ,at least the majority of it,is just as SR1 describes. There IS a huge issuw with police in the US. It is not only the blacks thatg are treated poorly by far too high a percentage of officers/departments.

[dsrace]

I pretty much agree with BOTH of you. The black community ,at least the majority of it,is just as SR1 describes. There IS a huge issuw with police in the US. It is not only the blacks thatg are treated poorly by far too high a percentage of officers/departments.

i also agree with this .  there is a huge issue and growing by leaps and bounds everyday in law enforcement, or has it been this bad for longer than anyone thinks but is now being caught on video and exposed rather than covered up? however way you want to view it, the majority of the black community are looking for a free ride, because of slavery,oppression? or how ever they decide to spin it this month ?! now  yummi speaks of sparks vs flames ( i get that but you forgot smoke ) then look at what obama has done , quietly , while the nation has been watching the flames! now we are accepting tons of refugees with no one to keep track of them and have countless numbers of foreigners over here on work visa's that can't be found and borrowed how many trillions from china? and now they are buying american soil and building most of our computers , buying some of our food sources ( own farmland foods) etc etc. out of the work visa's and refugees, how many are sleeper cells, suicide bombers? how many countries can or will bring a war to our soil after obama has disarmed the people, militarized the police and other agencies?! all while quietly do so using these riots, protests, school and theater shootings as a reason to disarm and train local and gov agencies for crowd control. as isis and others learn new ways to brain wash many many more people to into joining up. or is that all a coincidence and just bad timing? obama needs to be removed now and someone like trump voted in imo, is he the best maybe not but can he do what really needs to be done , yes imo ,are these the statements he's really making why people say he is a bafoon....yes imo but he is saying them.    the black community has always protested and rioted when ever the opportunity arises, that really hasn't changed the only diff is at one time there was real cause for it but now in today's world not the same cause. prob will never change

[sandracer1]

To be honest Yummi I do not know all of the facts about the "bundy" issue. If they did use women and children as shields they are cowards and that fact will cause me to recant any argument I have used in our posts. I was using your comment that they pointed weapons at the forces there.
"putting your life on the line" stands for any cause, right wrong or indifferent. When you are willing to sacrifice your life for what you believe. ISIS is putting their lives on the line. I surely do not believe they are anything but cowards and evil.  So I will agree, there was and is no difference between them.

I do move freely in my community, but armed to ensure my safety and my family's. We are all armed except my 16 year old. 2 more years for her to conceal and carry. But can legally carry in her vehicle. I go where I please to go. With that said there are plenty of places I choose not to go. They have made some areas very unappealing and offer me no reason to go there. It is obvious to me your community is nowhere near the same makeup as my community (or general area) I live. Hey, Yummi come on to St. Louis and we can take a ride around through Ferguson type community's. Bring that nice Jeep with you, that is good bait. You can stay with me. Bring your wife, let her dress and shake her stuff like I have seen in your vids  while we walk down the streets of Ferguson and many others that are the same here. I assure you Yummi you would not make it 1 hour before you would want to get in your vehicle and get the hell out never to return! And you would be glad I have "Buster" with me!

I have a TON of anger towards the black community these days. I never did up until 2 years ago. Until then I had compassion and interest in helping any of them to pull themselves out of the situation they were in and still do. The 2 that are still employed by us I encourage and treat as any other person I work with. Hard work pays off and they both are working hard.

I do not ignore nor do I not understand the complexities of their situation, but, they do not recognize it either. When a black, or any other race, disobeys an order of a cop, is disrespectful, or combative you get what you get! If you pull a weapon, threaten, or attack a cop you get what you get. The statistics I have seen show there are more whites killed by cops than blacks. You get what you give.

Yummi it is not me that stays in my comfortable world and community, it is you. You are looking from the outside in, not the inside out. As stated, and it is an open offer, come visit me and I will show you the view from the other side of the rose colored glass you see your world through.

I do not need to read the Ferguson report, it is biased and has the same slant on it that Obuma the clown and Holder put on the MB case. As I said I can go to that community and many others and rebuke the findings in that report. My issue is they take no responsibility for fixing their community issues. They blame the cops and the white man for where they are at and remain stuck.

The reports are forcing the police to take responsibility and making changes to policy and practice it sounds like. The video of the kid shot 16 times on the bridge that has started ANOTHER round of protests in Chicago is the example. He (the cop) is charged with murder. If the 10 second clip tells the whole story he should be charged as such. Stun gun would have stopped him. But he was carrying a knife. Did he attack a cop? Did he stab someone already? Partial facts are partial facts. I do not see how his shooting was justified by the short video I have seen though. On the other hand the dude that just shot the doctor in the stomach coming to the aid of a girl being carried away(kidnapped)  and attempted to shoot him in the head twice  and failed because his gun jammed twice, should be shot dead on sight. That video tells the whole story. Brother is too lazy to even keep his weapon clean, lucky for the doctor. If the good doctor had Buster we would not be looking for the low life piece of shit today. What have the blacks done to affect change from their side? They will not even recognize that black on black crime is killing more in a week that cops kill in a year. I do not and never will respect or care of their plight until those facts are recognized and receive as much attention as the cops.

[sandracer1]

DS, They will NEVER get my weapons!!!!! I will die before they get them from me. PERIOD!!!!

I will send my wife and kids away, and the firefight will begin. I am not the enemy no matter how they or anyone else spins it. I will defend my home and country against the Obuma plan of martial law.

My neighborhood has a plan in the event of terrorist attack and martial law has been discussed recently. We are a community of 7 homes on a private street. We own it and will defend it as a community.

Now I am going to put the keyboard away and go give thanks for all we have and the right to fight and defend it. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.

[dsrace]

DS, They will NEVER get my weapons!!!!! I will die before they get them from me. PERIOD!!!!

I will send my wife and kids away, and the firefight will begin. I am not the enemy no matter how they or anyone else spins it. I will defend my home and country against the Obuma plan of martial law.

My neighborhood has a plan in the event of terrorist attack and martial law has been discussed recently. We are a community of 7 homes on a private street. We own it and will defend it as a community.

Now I am going to put the keyboard away and go give thanks for all we have and the right to fight and defend it. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.

+1 and happy thanks giving to you as well and all dts members

[dsrace]

regardless of color or race and regardless of the history of there race after working on the edge of downtown lincoln ne for the last 20 years near several of these type of communities that are surrounded but business's with help wanted signs in the windows year round i can only conclude that working to earn the same money they are already getting for free isn't self rewarding i guess. nothing to lose i guess but those that don't better themselves choose not to and it's not because they lack the opportunity! 

pointing a gun at a fed officer is a felony.... should not be a law, gives too many of the wrong people the authority to what ever they feel like.  no matter what when a gun is pointed at you and your life is threatened we all have the right to defend our lives but with laws like the above, we/ they try to take that away. shooting a person 16 times is a bit excessive. a knife will penetrate a bullet proof vest where most bullets will not.  would a tazer been effective in this case?? i believe so, is his death one of race?   no it is not

[fabr]

To be honest Yummi I do not know all of the facts about the "bundy" issue. If they did use women and children as shields they are cowards and that fact will cause me to recant any argument I have used in our posts. I was using your comment that they pointed weapons at the forces there.
"putting your life on the line" stands for any cause, right wrong or indifferent. When you are willing to sacrifice your life for what you believe. ISIS is putting their lives on the line. I surely do not believe they are anything but cowards and evil.  So I will agree, there was and is no difference between them.

I do move freely in my community, but armed to ensure my safety and my family's. We are all armed except my 16 year old. 2 more years for her to conceal and carry. But can legally carry in her vehicle. I go where I please to go. With that said there are plenty of places I choose not to go. They have made some areas very unappealing and offer me no reason to go there. It is obvious to me your community is nowhere near the same makeup as my community (or general area) I live. Hey, Yummi come on to St. Louis and we can take a ride around through Ferguson type community's. Bring that nice Jeep with you, that is good bait. You can stay with me. Bring your wife, let her dress and shake her stuff like I have seen in your vids  while we walk down the streets of Ferguson and many others that are the same here. I assure you Yummi you would not make it 1 hour before you would want to get in your vehicle and get the hell out never to return! And you would be glad I have "Buster" with me!

I have a TON of anger towards the black community these days. I never did up until 2 years ago. Until then I had compassion and interest in helping any of them to pull themselves out of the situation they were in and still do. The 2 that are still employed by us I encourage and treat as any other person I work with. Hard work pays off and they both are working hard.

I do not ignore nor do I not understand the complexities of their situation, but, they do not recognize it either. When a black, or any other race, disobeys an order of a cop, is disrespectful, or combative you get what you get! If you pull a weapon, threaten, or attack a cop you get what you get. The statistics I have seen show there are more whites killed by cops than blacks. You get what you give.

Yummi it is not me that stays in my comfortable world and community, it is you. You are looking from the outside in, not the inside out. As stated, and it is an open offer, come visit me and I will show you the view from the other side of the rose colored glass you see your world through.

I do not need to read the Ferguson report, it is biased and has the same slant on it that Obuma the clown and Holder put on the MB case. As I said I can go to that community and many others and rebuke the findings in that report. My issue is they take no responsibility for fixing their community issues. They blame the cops and the white man for where they are at and remain stuck.

The reports are forcing the police to take responsibility and making changes to policy and practice it sounds like. The video of the kid shot 16 times on the bridge that has started ANOTHER round of protests in Chicago is the example. He (the cop) is charged with murder. If the 10 second clip tells the whole story he should be charged as such. Stun gun would have stopped him. But he was carrying a knife. Did he attack a cop? Did he stab someone already? Partial facts are partial facts. I do not see how his shooting was justified by the short video I have seen though. On the other hand the dude that just shot the doctor in the stomach coming to the aid of a girl being carried away(kidnapped)  and attempted to shoot him in the head twice  and failed because his gun jammed twice, should be shot dead on sight. That video tells the whole story. Brother is too lazy to even keep his weapon clean, lucky for the doctor. If the good doctor had Buster we would not be looking for the low life piece of shit today. What have the blacks done to affect change from their side? They will not even recognize that black on black crime is killing more in a week that cops kill in a year. I do not and never will respect or care of their plight until those facts are recognized and receive as much attention as the cops.

I don't disagree with what you posted but ,we must not allow,even encourage,our law enforcement to become judge and jury. That is what happened with this Laquan POS. One cop fired 16 times while all others stood by. Is that what we really want from LEO? Not me. If anyone thinks that LEO will not keep expanding their power to dispense justice ,bypassing the justice system, and ultimately making the US a police state is in need of a history lesson.

  When we,as average citizens are threatened we are allowed to use the level of force required to remove the threat. When that threat is gone we MUST stop any further actions. Police cannot be allowed to do any more. The cop in the vid will be found guilty of at least second degree murder and I would have no issue finding him guilty of first degree murder . That bad apple needs removed from the basket.

Now,where were the protests a year ago? No one can tell me that the city had no idea till now that a person was shot 16 times by one cop and no one knew of it. Why did the city/prosecutors take 13 months to make a decision? Surely,it couldn't be because they were trying to cover it up.........   No,I do not trust LEO or prosecutors 100%,hell not even 85% . Way too many bad apples that are protected by their bros in the field.

  We sit around and villify the black community for not speaking up and helping LEO by giving info about offenders so they can be prosecuted yet we will turn a blind eye to PD's that do exactly the same thing.We never hear of a LEO turning in "one of their own" even in the face of obvious wrongdoing. This country is fast becoming the United States of Hypocrites,IMO. Over on GD,a popular saying is"funny because it's not me". Well that is BS because one day it WILL be you and others will just laugh and say "funny because it's not me". We MUST hold LEO to a high standard or third world police state is what we will be.

[fabr]

DS, They will NEVER get my weapons!!!!! I will die before they get them from me. PERIOD!!!!

I will send my wife and kids away, and the firefight will begin. I am not the enemy no matter how they or anyone else spins it. I will defend my home and country against the Obuma plan of martial law.

My neighborhood has a plan in the event of terrorist attack and martial law has been discussed recently. We are a community of 7 homes on a private street. We own it and will defend it as a community.

Now I am going to put the keyboard away and go give thanks for all we have and the right to fight and defend it. Happy Thanksgiving to all of you.

Ummm,you may do exactly as you said but the other 999 out of a 1000 expressing those sentiments will wilt like a lilly pad in the desert. Big talk from the vast majority of keyboard badasses. I've only met you one time but I believe you to be sincere in what you say but the other 999................................. are just big talking pussies.

[sandracer1]

I don't disagree with what you posted but ,we must not allow,even encourage,our law enforcement to become judge and jury. That is what happened with this Laquan POS. One cop fired 16 times while all others stood by. Is that what we really want from LEO? Not me. If anyone thinks that LEO will not keep expanding their power to dispense justice ,bypassing the justice system, and ultimately making the US a police state is in need of a history lesson.

  When we,as average citizens are threatened we are allowed to use the level of force required to remove the threat. When that threat is gone we MUST stop any further actions. Police cannot be allowed to do any more. The cop in the vid will be found guilty of at least second degree murder and I would have no issue finding him guilty of first degree murder . That bad apple needs removed from the basket.

Now,where were the protests a year ago? No one can tell me that the city had no idea till now that a person was shot 16 times by one cop and no one knew of it. Why did the city/prosecutors take 13 months to make a decision? Surely,it couldn't be because they were trying to cover it up.........   No,I do not trust LEO or prosecutors 100%,hell not even 85% . Way too many bad apples that are protected by their bros in the field.

  We sit around and villify the black community for not speaking up and helping LEO by giving info about offenders so they can be prosecuted yet we will turn a blind eye to PD's that do exactly the same thing.We never hear of a LEO turning in "one of their own" even in the face of obvious wrongdoing. This country is fast becoming the United States of Hypocrites,IMO. Over on GD,a popular saying is"funny because it's not me". Well that is BS because one day it WILL be you and others will just laugh and say "funny because it's not me". We MUST hold LEO to a high standard or third world police state is what we will be.

I agree with you 100% on all aspects and points.

[sandracer1]

Ummm,you may do exactly as you said but the other 999 out of a 1000 expressing those sentiments will wilt like a lilly pad in the desert. Big talk from the vast majority of keyboard badasses. I've only met you one time but I believe you to be sincere in what you say but the other 999................................. are just big talking pussies.

Thank God I live in an American pond and not the desert. My home is am island surrounded by a moat full of lilly pads. I will take my chances or stand alone on my island principles.

What will you do fabr? Do you live in a pond or desert?
You say you don't trust the LEO 85%. When they come to claim your property and rights will you wilt or flower?

We have met more than once. 3 times to be exact. That just goes to show you that I am a pretty modest and quit person. If these topics would come up during dune trips you would remember for sure.   Fortunately they do not and are there to have fun and forget all of the BS in the world.

[fabr]

Good points. To be honest,I kind of like the desert but have no use for lilly pads. Honestly,I wish we had sat around a fire shooting the shit about politics and such. I really enjoy ,in person,hearing/discussing all kinds of opinions. I enjoy that a lot more than listening to a group of drunks................ I'm betting we have a lot in common.   











P.S.: I have no traceable firearms.