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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2009, 05:16:01 PM »
Quote from: Artie /KING SMITIE!! on July 26, 2009, 04:45:18 PM
I want to make a point here. It is simply this. I have many FRIENDS who are Americans. Please keep that point in mind. I like my friends. They are great guys.

And now I have a question for you all (US citizens only need reply please....)

Do you think its unreasonable for the rest of the world to be generally anti US?

Yes Yes Yes.  We have stuck our nose where it does not belong to many time's.
But not from the country's that we have helped with deserter aid then smite us for it.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2009, 05:19:55 PM »
Quote from: fastcorvairs on July 26, 2009, 05:16:01 PM
Yes Yes Yes.  We have stuck our nose where it does not belong to many time's.
But not from the country's that we have helped with deserter aid then smite us for it.

Thanks Fast, thats an honest and I believe reasonable answer... its what I expect from you and a few more like you BUT Im sure there are a few out there who will weigh in yet....
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2009, 05:34:26 PM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on July 26, 2009, 06:12:28 AM
We also played the socialist game of "everyone needs a house" so lets tilt the playing field and let those thatCANNOT afford one to have one.


Do you know where this came from?

Let me give you a hint.   Redlining.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2009, 05:47:03 PM »
Quote from: Artie /KING SMITIE!! on July 26, 2009, 04:45:18 PM
I want to make a point here. It is simply this. I have many FRIENDS who are Americans. Please keep that point in mind. I like my friends. They are great guys.

And now I have a question for you all (US citizens only need reply please....)

Do you think its unreasonable for the rest of the world to be generally anti US?
It is reasonable to say that the world is anti US Government just as we are anti many other governments. WE the people do not ,in general, approve of us running around the world trying to impose our will on others. WE do not think we need to be the worlds police. WE do not think WE have to save the world ON OUR OWN. We do not like how our gov lies to us. It is NOT reasonable for the world to hate or even dislike US though any more than WE hate/dislike say.....muslims in general. Their leaders though are quite another story. Many years ago I condemned ourgov for invading Panama and taking into custody Manuel Norega. He was the LEADER of Panama.Remember?  We INVADED a sovereign nation and took their leader for violating our laws. Ever heard of diplomatic immunity? We were WAY out of line then just as we were out of line invading and capturing that POS leader of Iraq. Think of it this way-if say Castro invaded the US and took ANY of our presidents into custody,put them on trial and then imprisoned them in Cuba what do you think would happen? We'd condemn the action and likely blow their asses off the planet.  The US GOV needs to start acting like a good neighbor that will be there if ASKED to help and stop running around pushing our "help" on others. so,yes,Artie I  and MOST Americans agree with you on that point.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2009, 05:48:00 PM »
Quote from: cleppla on July 26, 2009, 05:34:26 PM

Do you know where this came from?

Let me give you a hint.   Redlining.

Stop with the hints-spit it out man! Besides I don't give a fook where it's from. Common sense says that it was a stupid policy.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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 " You have all the right in the world to believe any damn thing you'd like, but you don't have the right to demand that I agree with your fantasy"

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2009, 06:23:08 PM »
I hear what you are saying Fabr, and I cant say that I disagree with your thoughts.... however, I think Fast is being a little more realistic..... you may have to re read his post to garner this perspective......
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2009, 06:27:52 PM »
What's different about it?
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2009, 06:32:05 PM »
 'We', not 'them'
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2009, 06:33:23 PM »
You and your Gov are a 'we'... are you not responsible for your Govs actions? Are they not you relected representatives?
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2009, 06:41:13 PM »
Have you not been reading what is written here? NO ,we do not have any control over our officials. They have set it up so there is no fear of being booted out. Just promiseeverything to those freeloaders that are the majority of voters and they have a job for life. Doesn't matter that they do not fulfill those promises tho since the alternative is reality.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2009, 06:42:49 PM »
Quote from: Artie /KING SMITIE!! on July 26, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
You and your Gov are a 'we'... are you not responsible for your Govs actions? Are they not you relected representatives?
The hell we are! Thems fighting words! ;) ;D
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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 " You have all the right in the world to believe any damn thing you'd like, but you don't have the right to demand that I agree with your fantasy"

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2009, 06:43:59 PM »
Now bear in mind that Aus and the US are allies. We always have been, when you have had a fight we have been standing at your shoulder and we have never complained.

Well, now we are......

George W Bush told us that Iraq was stockpiling WMD (weapons of mass destruction) and we should help in stamping this out. After all that had happened with terrorist attacks not just on you gusy but other palces around the world, teh threat of Anthrax was a compelling one.

We joined you in this action, willingly. In fact your man called this the coalition of the willing.

Of course he lied to us, his senior advisers admitted it a couple of years afterwards. In fact he lied to everyone (including you).

MY point is, if your president lies to you, and your young die because of it.

So what? Thats a domestic matter right? You simply dont re-elect him but he IS YOUR responsibility. ... but your president lied to us. And our kids died because of it. We dont like that.

Our children shed blood because your administration wanted access to more oil. Well, at the end of this month the last Aussie ships out of Iraq. The US will be hard pressed to get us to stand at your shoulder again. Do you blame us?
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2009, 06:45:37 PM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on July 26, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
Have you not been reading what is written here? NO ,we do not have any control over our officials. They have set it up so there is no fear of being booted out. Just promiseeverything to those freeloaders that are the majority of voters and they have a job for life. Doesn't matter that they do not fulfill those promises tho since the alternative is reality.

yes Ive read it. Its a cop out and you know it.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2009, 06:52:42 PM »
Quote from: Artie /KING SMITIE!! on July 26, 2009, 06:43:59 PM
teh threat of Anthrax was a compelling one.

lol good one. The threat was nothing more than another G-ment toss in to draw attention aways from its other flubs at the time.

There was never a single person doing it.

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2009, 06:53:40 PM »
Artie,this is absolute truth and BS at the same time. Let me think about it for a bit.Did the Australians put as much proportionately into the Iraq fiasco as the US? Did any other nations? Nope. The rest of the world is more than willing to allow us to shoulder the burden and  expense but if anything goes wrong it's all our fault. Where was YOUR Intelligence? You guys were just as wrong as we were. Don't play the blame game now that we all know better. FWIW I was NECVER in favor of invading Iraq. Don't blame ME for that BS.OUR GOV likely had several ulterior motives for the invasion and so did yours. If not shame on you for going along with it. If more of the "free world" govs would act responsibly and not encourage us to be the idiots there would be less of this BS.  Againn please DO NOT confuse our gov with US.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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 " You have all the right in the world to believe any damn thing you'd like, but you don't have the right to demand that I agree with your fantasy"
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