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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2009, 11:37:30 PM »
Quote from: Engineer on July 25, 2009, 07:13:23 PM
What exactly is he saving us from? 

Quote from: trojan on July 25, 2009, 12:37:05 PM
Did your grand parents tell you what it was like for them in the Great Depression? mine did.... and then they told me again, and they would mention it in passing... perhaps they thought it was important I remember ;) like Camel said, it makes everything else very petty by comparison ;)

I did mention that, and how I consider the priority of the other issues.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2009, 11:52:54 PM »
So your suggesting he is saving us from another great depression?  Grand!  So just like FDR we can expect it to last 11 years and only be fixed by a war?

How exactly is he helping the economic problems?  I don't see it.


Quote from: chrishallett83 on July 25, 2009, 07:50:11 PM
S'funny how some people expect a guy to magically reverse all the damage done over the past few decades in a couple of months...

He has reversed nothing.  Only continued (at a faster rate) on the same course set by dems and repubs for the last 20 years.

It is interesting that the left never explains anything, only regurgitates old talking points.  I can hear that crap on CBS.  Why don't you tell us what he is doing positive for the economy?

BTW, BHO is the name he choose to use when going abroad and speaking to people with his heritage and similar religious backgrounds, after defining it as racist for the right to use in the campaign.

I sir am not a racist.  However, during his press conference a couple days ago Obama showed that he is.

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2009, 12:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Engineer on July 25, 2009, 11:52:54 PM
So your suggesting he is saving us from another great depression? 


Yep! are you pretending he's not?

The reason the Great Depression lasted so long is because the powers that be had/used the same economic philosophy as you advocate ;)
From an economic perspective the war was just a "big spend" and yes it pulled you out... see how that works now?
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #48 on: July 26, 2009, 12:20:27 AM »
Every time I look at this thread I think to myself, "It takes money to make money" or "You have to spend money to make money".  Both mean the same thing to me, and both are true in any type of business.  Isn't that what the Economy is? Business.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2009, 05:57:39 AM »
Quote from: Boostinjdm on July 26, 2009, 12:20:27 AM
Every time I look at this thread I think to myself, "It takes money to make money" or "You have to spend money to make money".  Both mean the same thing to me, and both are true in any type of business.  Isn't that what the Economy is? Business.
Both quotes require that you HAVE money first.
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2009, 06:12:28 AM »
Why is it that the rest of the world,including Australia ,xeems to think that WE are responsible for THEIR well being. IF the rest of the world is so dependent upon the US economy then  WE must have been doing things right for a long time. What we did wrong in  recent history was deregulate banking,removing the safeguards/lessons learned from the past.  We also played the socialist game of "everyone needs a house" so lets tilt the playing field and let those thatCANNOT afford one to have one.LOVELY experiment with socialism that has FAILED and now you guys WANT US to go further down the socialism path???????? Wake up guys,our policies are what have brought the rest of the worlds standard of living up along with ours. All we need do is return to our core beliefs,put the safeguards/guidelines back in place and STOP experimenting with a system that DOES NOT reward those with the abilities to improve our lives to prosper-YES ,I mean make PROFIT that can be shared by our very prosperity.Profit IS NOT a dirty concept. Government that does not play its' proper role and REGULATE greed is the real culprit here. No regulation ends up equalling an excuse to take over. that ,my friends, is the real problem facing the US. A gov that wants all the power will achieve it through lack of action where/when needed. Then we will willingly hand it over.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2009, 07:08:28 AM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on July 26, 2009, 06:12:28 AM
Why is it that the rest of the world,including Australia ,xeems to think that WE are responsible for THEIR well being. IF the rest of the world is so dependent upon the US economy then  WE must have been doing things right for a long time. What we did wrong in  recent history was deregulate banking,removing the safeguards/lessons learned from the past.  We also played the socialist game of "everyone needs a house" so lets tilt the playing field and let those thatCANNOT afford one to have one.LOVELY experiment with socialism that has FAILED and now you guys WANT US to go further down the socialism path???????? Wake up guys,our policies are what have brought the rest of the worlds standard of living up along with ours. All we need do is return to our core beliefs,put the safeguards/guidelines back in place and STOP experimenting with a system that DOES NOT reward those with the abilities to improve our lives to prosper-YES ,I mean make PROFIT that can be shared by our very prosperity.Profit IS NOT a dirty concept. Government that does not play its' proper role and REGULATE greed is the real culprit here. No regulation ends up equalling an excuse to take over. that ,my friends, is the real problem facing the US. A gov that wants all the power will achieve it through lack of action where/when needed. Then we will willingly hand it over.

I dont think responsible is the correct terminology. You guys have stuck you noses into many foreign nations economic policy over the years and by virtue of simple mass you have an effect on other economies, good and bad.....

Are you suggesting that you can get involved in other countries domestic matters and not have an effect?
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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2009, 08:06:46 AM »
Nope,IMO we have done just that. Stuck our noses where it does not belong many times . I say it's time for the rest of the world to stop expecting the US to carry the load and do a lot of the things the rest of you think should be done yourselves. We should butt out of others matters immediately. Yet all we hear is how the US isn't doing anything about this or that around the world. WTH are WE expected to do anything/everything yet the rest of the world isn't. Personally I'm all for having us step back and the rest of you can start carrying some of the load. It's about time you stopped bitching about the US not doing something and did it yourselves.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2009, 08:59:12 AM »
but  you guys stick your nose in so you can controll and influence


so you dont believe its right that every person  should own thier own home
the problem wasn't the people buying the homes
it was again the greed from the lenders to lend the money to people that can't aford it
lenders dont lend for nothing
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2009, 09:53:42 AM »
Fab, you're the only one directly equating profit with greed ;)
How can public health benefit from the profit motive?
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #56 on: July 26, 2009, 10:28:24 AM »
Fab,

as Con the Fruiterer always used to say, "Don't worry about it!"  (Hey Artie, was he from Griffith?).

The sun is still shining and I may have found you a Gen I Hayabusa instrument panel connector.  It might have to be in white though.  That okay?  I'm getting them to send a sample over so I can check it out.

Remember me when I run for Congress.  :o
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #57 on: July 26, 2009, 10:46:15 AM »
Quote from: Tone on July 26, 2009, 08:59:12 AM
but  you guys stick your nose in so you can controll and influence


so you dont believe its right that every person  should own thier own home
the problem wasn't the people buying the homes
it was again the greed from the lenders to lend the money to people that can't aford it
lenders dont lend for nothing

NO,us GUYS don't -our GOVERNMENT DOES. We do not like it any better than you.
  No I don't think all people should own their own home. In fact most are better off not owning. For many if not all that RENT their homes  in the long run will SAVE money as compared to owning. Soooo,for many home ownership is a bad thing that is not in their best financial interest. Most people here think owning is more economically advantageous but that is just a myth-now. Factor in upkeep,insurance/  taxes/depreciation/inflation etc.,etc. and you will begin to see what I mean.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #58 on: July 26, 2009, 11:07:30 AM »
Quote from: Tone on July 26, 2009, 08:59:12 AM
but  you guys stick your nose in so you can controll and influence

Quote from: Artie /KING SMITIE!! on July 26, 2009, 07:08:28 AM
You guys have stuck you noses into many foreign nations economic policy over the years

I gotta agree with Fabr here 100%.

If you could take a TRUE poll of the American People you would know that "YOU GUYS" IS NOT ALL OF US. Its the bastards in charge!

 I would bet a shit load of money that 85% of us OR MORE disaprove of most of the things our G-ment does. Sadely the bastards ahve made it so that by the time we find out what they are doing its to late for us to do much in terms of getting enough people together to stop it.

Effing lawyers they all are and they purposely make it such a pain in the ass that sadely we do tend to not do much about it. They keep us in situations that make us have to work all the time so when we do get a little time off we tend to spend it (in many of our cases with buggies) on our hobbies and families to forget what the G-ment is/are doing.
But this of course only makes it worse. Till you hit the breaking point.

William Shakesphere had it right. He KNEW what to do. Way back then.   
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Re: You want change? part one
« Reply #59 on: July 26, 2009, 04:45:18 PM »
I want to make a point here. It is simply this. I have many FRIENDS who are Americans. Please keep that point in mind. I like my friends. They are great guys.

And now I have a question for you all (US citizens only need reply please....)

Do you think its unreasonable for the rest of the world to be generally anti US?
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