Why socialist medicine is not the answer

[Voodoochikin04]

i like my caddy though.....lol..   

[fabr]

Then quit whining about 100 bux for TWO sets of NEW 5 points! LOL!!!

[Boostinjdm]

Then quit whining about 100 bux for TWO sets of NEW 5 points! LOL!!!

right on target, nice....

[fabr]

I COULDN'T resist that one.

[Islander]

 

[trojan]

Personally I can't fathom the inhumanity inherent in a medical system run for profit. A "good" result is the shareholders get paid dividends and their investment "grows" each year... notice noting about health was mentioned....

How have other essential services services, run for profit, performed with respect to customer service, lower costs and availability?

If you can "just walk in" to get health care  in the US, how do you get the drugs prescribed by the doctor?

[SPEC]

My experience has been alot of run-around...You gotta go see your GP. (general practitioner)...They will decide to send you to therapy or whatever...After therapy they will send you to a specialist...From there the specialist sends you to more therapy...after that fails...more therapists...after that fails... you get sent to another specialist...who has a fooking clue...That he doesn't have a clue...sends you to a RHuemetologist...Who inturn puts you on some serious drugs that help the pain...and in turn will kill you eventually...That was the last 1 1/2 years with my spine...
The previous 2 1/2 years with my arms was the WORK COMP CIRCUS...
WAS WORSE YET...MRI says you need surgery..so insurance says no...go see this doctor...that doctor says your faking  torn tendons...and that jelly like juice that's supposed to be in your elbow...down near your wrist ...in between the muscle groups...Hire a lawyer...re-start the whole fiasco right from ground zero...In the mean-time...your left arm fails due to over exertion from having your wife tying your shoes so you can go to work every day...And guess what...back to ground ZERO WITH THAT ONE AS WELL...
It's been a long road to me being  THE MEAN LITTLE GIMP :P
Some once asked me here why that was my sig line...
This is why

[Dunebound69]

Spec I fear the social med would make things worse. I think you got screwed by the way. My gut tells me you would be in better shape had you gotten the surgery way back when.

[trojan]

How can it be any worse than the crap you have now... really?

If it's so bad, how do so many other countries manage to do it?

[LiveWire]

With my insurance I can go straight to the specialist and usually do. Not everyone has the same insurance so not everyone gets the same care. Generally speaking, I would say the ones who have the most choice have the best options. Amazing thing what a little competition does. If you are no longer paying in such as with workman's comp or a settled insurance claim from an auto wreck, etc. in those cases, it is not just a matter of changing to another provider because your service sucks.  I have heard of similar issues with those that have Medicare, our current government health care for certain groups of people. I don't dispute that people in these situations get a raw deal. What I don't want is for everyone to get the same deal. I don't dispute the issues, only the proposed solution.

[fabr]

How can it be any worse than the crap you have now... really?

If it's so bad, how do so many other countries manage to do it?

I have to agree that our system is fullof waste in time and money but OUR gov would be just as wasteful with even worse effeciency. THere is a place in this debate for OUR gov in health care. That is the same place OUR gov should have in OUR lives. That is to set guidelines and goals and let the free market reach them. Free enterprise when forced to keep a level playing field. WE,the USA, HAVE FAILED MISERABLY in that respect for far ,far too long.

[fabr]

Tojan ,YOUR gov may not be quite as stoopid as ours and YOUR gov may take great care of you. That IS likely true cause we don't see YOURS trying to spend its' way out of debt.

[cleppla]

[jsbm]

Back in February my dad's knee started bothering him so he makes an appointment at the va. He gets in about week later, they take xrays and find nothing wrong, give him scripts for pain meds and muscle relaxers. Two weeks go by meds aren't working and his knee is getting worse so he calls again for another appointment, has to wait about two weeks this time. Sees a different doc this time and he says you may need an mri but he can't schedule one cuz he is not a specialist. He gives him more meds and sends him on his way. My dad waits a couple more weeks calls again to see about the mri so they make another appointment, he goes just to find out that this appointment was just to make another one with a specialist. He is not happy at this point, he goes and sees the Orthopedic and he says yup you need an mri and says that they will schedule it, mind you the otho is at a different location over an hour away so my dad gets a little pissy with the doc so the doc makes him wait three weeks for the mri. He got the mri on June 3 and he goes next week to the local office to go over his mri even though he was told over the phone that his knee is shot and needs surgery.

This is just an example of our government run health care, just imagine if all of our health care was ran by our government.

[fabr]

There is no free market in health care due to the lack of appropriate gov regulation that encourages competition. Personally I see no real overall problem with our system but for the major ,easily correct stuff such as portability of coverage,no preexisting exclusions and the continuation of the emergency care system we have already in place and funded as the safety net for those uninsured. Just my 2 cents from an admittedly overly simplistic  viewpoint.