Why socialist medicine is not the answer

[cleppla]

trickle down economics works...

Thats called Reaganomics!

[fabr]

Trickle UP does works tho. Give the money BACK to the people and let US spend it for OUR OWN benefit as WE see fit in our daily lives and the money will go much further and give a much better benefit to US(and future generations/) that are paying for this current BS stimulus plan.

[LiveWire]

I see trickle down economics going on right now. Companies income goes down because people are not buying. That trickles down to the employees they lay off.

[SPEC]

I'm with fabr on the trickle up theory

[fabr]

I see the scroll is back. Specs favorite option in the world!

[SPEC]

I see the scroll is back. Specs favorite option in the world!

[BDKW1]

Thats funny, why werent they in the union still. Oh yea they couldnt hold a job in the union. There are many lazy pos workers in the union that give us a bad name but they work for the union rather than a company. They only work when a shop is desperate for workers no matter how worthless they are.
 
As for san onofre that place ruins workers. You need to have your tp inspected before you can wipe you ass. The powerhouse guy never make it on normal jobs.

Back in the early 90's when the aerospace industry moved out of Socal and went to Washington, you took any job you could find, union or not. Even today, union shops are almost non-existent. All those aerospace guys that didn't want to relocate were forced into non-union shops.
 
I have been to 3 interviews so far at SONGS for a fabricator position. So far I have yet to do any fabricating type tests.    I guess it's more important to be able to play ball with your coworkers than to actually be able to do your job. 

[cleppla]

Here is a excerpt of a story that Wendell Potter (CIGNA chief spokesman to the media ) told on a radio show I listen to regularly.

As an industry spokesman, I was expected to put a positive spin on this trend that the industry created and euphemistically refers to as "consumerism" and to promote so-called "consumer-driven" health plans. I ultimately reached the point of feeling like a huckster.

I thought I could live with being a well-paid huckster and hang in there a few more years until I could retire. I probably would have if I hadn't made a completely spur-of-the-moment decision a couple of years ago that changed the direction of my life. While visiting my folks in northeast Tennessee where I grew up, I read in the local paper about a health "expedition" being held that weekend a few miles up U.S. 23 in Wise, Va. Doctors, nurses and other medical professionals were volunteering their time to provide free medical care to people who lived in the area. What intrigued me most was that Remote Area Medical, a non-profit group whose original mission was to provide free care to people in remote villages in South America, was organizing the expedition. I decided to check it out.

That 50-mile stretch of U.S. 23, which twists through the mountains where thousands of men have made their living working in the coalmines, turned out to be my "road to Damascus."

Nothing could have prepared me for what I saw when I reached the Wise County Fairgrounds, where the expedition was being held. Hundreds of people had camped out all night in the parking lot to be assured of seeing a doctor or dentist when the gates opened. By the time I got there, long lines of people stretched from every animal stall and tent where the volunteers were treating patients.

That scene was so visually and emotionally stunning it was all I could do to hold back tears. How could it be that citizens of the richest nation in the world were being treated this way?

A couple of weeks later I was boarding a corporate jet to fly from Philadelphia to a meeting in Connecticut. When the flight attendant served my lunch on gold-rimmed china and gave me a gold-plated knife and fork to eat it with, I realized for the first time that someone's insurance premiums were paying for me to travel in such luxury. I also realized that one of the reasons those people in Wise County had to wait in long lines to be treated in animal stalls was because our Wall Street-driven health care system has created one of the most inequitable health care systems on the planet.



Sickning.. (second paragraph. Resignation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_W._McGuire

[fabr]

Sounds likea good place for a few of our FORIEGN AID dollars to be spent. I don't mind and actually feel some obligation to help others in the rest of the world BUT not at the expense of not helping out our own first.

[Islander]

I figure that if your gov. paid off personal dept, that would be the real way to get trickle up economics working.  Banks would get their money, and people would have their pay checks back.  What would people do then?  Buy a new car would probably be high on the list.  Repairing the house or buying a new one would be up there too.  When people have money to spend (or god forbid, save!!) is when the economy is in it's best state.  The way I see it, the biggest problem with today's economy is that people are spending money when they by all rights, shouldn't be able to.  Everyone just looks at what the monthly payments would be, and pay no attention to the fact that they will be paying on it forever, instead of getting it when they can afford it.  Generally no one wants to have to work for anything any more, they just think they deserve it and credit companies are glad to agree with them, letting people add up so much dept that they will never be able to pay back.  I've seen way to many people with a $300 000 house and a $50 000 car on a $14 an hour paycheck.

[fabr]

You probably hit the nail on the head there but didn't realize it-maybe. The problem with paying off all the debt is that those same people would IMMEDIATELY go right back into debt and likely deeper waiting for/expecting a second-third-fourth.............well you get the picture. 

[Pacman]

You probably hit the nail on the head there but didn't realize it-maybe. The problem with paying off all the debt is that those same people would IMMEDIATELY go right back into debt and likely deeper waiting for/expecting a second-third-fourth.............well you get the picture.

BINGO!! One of the biggest problems with those shows on TV where they go in and build people new homes to replace the dumps they live in is that once they are done with the new home and are given enough money in escrow to pay the taxes and insurance for 20 years...I think that's what the term is.....the idiots go out and take a second loan out against the property so they can go buy toys for everyone....new titties for the wife....a new boat for daddy......then they fall behind on the payments and lose the damn house! I can't find the article now but it has happened to like 20% of the homes they have rebuilt......stupid fxxkers!

[fabr]

And so the average US citizen does also. We ARE our own worst enemies.

[Islander]

Yes, I agree that is what would probably happen.  Nobody would learn from their mistakes.  But as I said earlier, if people would just buy what is in their price range instead of what the Jones' next door have even though they make an extra 50k a year, everyone would be much happier, and financially stable.  What needs to be drilled OUT of people's heads is that luxuries are just that, luxuries.  When you could suffice with a Cobalt, and could pay it off in 2-3 years, don't buy the Escalade just because the dealer can give it to you for "just X amount more a month"(over 10 years).

[fabr]

Yup. I agree.