Financial History

[Engineer]

 

[trojan]

I guess great minds think alike.  I will start calling you Castro.

Good one... Dubya!

[trojan]

Why is that bad... better still, argue why it is GOOD (you may learn something)


Where in the Constitution does it state no nationalisation? Are you sure it's not just Neo-Con propaganda?

Again, if you continue with the dreary (Sean Hanity/Ann Coulter) IGNORANT dogma and refuse to participate in the discussion - you're on your own. As the addage goes: you can lead a horse to water.... but you can't reason with dogma!

[fabr]

Trojan ,just because you say/believe something is not proof of your beliefs.It is just your belief.  Hannity and coulters are just like the agitators in the democrats side of the BS in the press.  I have news for ya buddy,most of the US IS of centrist and responsible thinking.Problem is that the career politicians have found out it is easy to stay in office by promising more than what should be reasonably expected. Do you have term limits in Au. for all public offices?  If not YOU are destined to follow our miserable lead.

[fabr]

Again, if you continue with the dreary (Sean Hanity/Ann Coulter) IGNORANT dogma and refuse to participate in the discussion - you're on your own. As the addage goes: you can lead a horse to water.... but you can't reason with dogma!(or trojan)

[fabr]

Hard decisions are only accomplished in  2 situations.One is a dictator that has no worry of being replaced.The other is from politicians that are of a finite term. They also have the freedom to make tough choices since they do not need to cater to voters with their hand out to gain reelection. Term limits from the local level all the way to the top is the only anmswer to all of these troubles.Congress with it's arrogance stemming from nearly a lifetime appointment being the norm  after election cannot and will not make those tough and RESPONSIBLE decisions.

[Yummi]

Ever notice that the word "limit" is in the phrase "term limits?"   Why would you want to limit your choices?  Seems like a simplistic reaction to a more complex problem.

[Camel]

Yeah, you should be ashamed of ya self. Not for the mistake, you're at work - we can forgive ya for ya one tracked mind, but for being part of the problem, bloody money maggots! .... Camel is just as bad - he's a 'kn' marketdroid! with a minor in OH&S (occupational health & safety).... My socialist pseudo intellectual utopian delusion is shattered... thanx!!

you bitch.....

[fabr]

Ever notice that the word "limit" is in the phrase "term limits?"   Why would you want to limit your choices?  Seems like a simplistic reaction to a more complex problem.

The TERM is limited and therefore enables unLIMITED freedom to do the RIGHT thing. There was a good reason to limit the term of President and those reasons are just as valid for our elected leaders. ALL offices including those from the local level all the way to the top need be limited to 2 terms and after sitting out 1 term they should be given the opportunity to run again.ALL politicians need to be allowed/required to actually live in the world they create so they will UNDERSTAND real life and not their world of cronies that has very little to do with everyday reality.  One of our former "career" public servants and former presidential candidate by the name of McGovern(ironic huh? mcGOVERN LOL!!!) said it best.I cannot give the exact quote but it was in effect---"If I'd known what the legislation I supported did to small business I would never have supported it". THat was after has was FINALLY out of public office and had to try to operate profitably under the rules and restrictions and taxes he helped heap on the US. He needed that realization long before that.
 Simplistic?   SO what!?!?!?!?! I don't for one second think that heaping on more and more layers of bureaucratic BS by career politicians that have been far removed from common everyday life and its' realities  is going to solve a damn thing.THe KeepItSimpleStupid rule seems to apply and most of us believe that UNTIL it comes to politics. WHY?? Well because we WANT that PORK that that career politician will promise to get reelected over and over and over again even when he has failed miserably in being a responsible legislator. We all suffer as we are now.
 The argument that we would run out of people for office if we limited terms is just plain ludicrous.  At one time in our history that MAY have been true but there are plenty of qualified individuals that would be a credit to have in office ready and willing to step up if it were not for the powerful political machines that pretty well dictate who will and who will not get a chance to run for powerful positions. Term limits? Simplistic? YES! And effective.

 Now ,someone ,please,give a reasonable argument as to why it is advisable to term limit the presidency and NOT the legislature at national and state levels.
   BTW ,I'm about effin tired of people not giving the President of the U.S. and other world leaders  the respect the offices deserve by calling them dubya or BO or Mr.Clinton or Chavez or Castro or whatever. They ARE the leaders of the country and as such we all need to start showing the proper respect for the offices they hold.

[Yummi]

Dictators require full salutations?   


So I guess the One Big Ass Mistake American is respectful?

[fabr]

I said WE and I am not an angel.We ALL should start showing the proper respect. My real beef tho is with the media always saying Bush or George W. or BO or worse yet is saying MR Bush or MR Obama.Once elected they are PRESIDENT so and so. WHen I was a kid you NEVER heard anything other than PRESIDENT whatever. 

[trojan]

"NO angel" indeed - on this topic, you're a unashamed hypocrite.

I'll explain it for you: Dubya brought so much shame to the office that "the office" HAS lost some of the respect it once had.

[trojan]

One thing I would add to the solution I posted above is to direct the courts to practice "the intent of the law" rather than "the letter of the law".

[fabr]

I'm an unashamed "admitter" to going along with the pack and not doing what is the right thing.  Many times it is in political jokes and such and I feel that is fair game.However,when mentioning any leader in the news and discussions such as this , the OFFICE deserves the respect whether the person does or not.Do you see the difference? If not ,there's not much hope for us or your own country.BTW WTF is wrong with YOUR leaders? THey've really been doing a really great job disarming you sheep and all. Why haven't you guys come up with a solution to the worlds financial mess? You did notice I said the WORLDS mess did you not? Eh?   Sure ,I've been guilty of doing what I said should not be done. We ALL need to knock it off tho so it is no longer acceptable to show such disrespect for the offices.  Trojan ,your disrespect for the office fuels further disrespect and you are not even a citizen of the US.   It seems like we have our values seriously skewed here in the US I admit.Let's see ,everyone prospered during Clint President Clintons term and he seems to be a media and world darling.Yet his policies were not really any different than President Bush's. He is an unabashed LIAR. Anyone with 1/2 a brain knows that. His nickname BEFORE being elected was slick willy. THat wasn't by accident.He was and is a sleeze bag without a doubt but since we all made money under his Presidency(notice I DID NOT say leadership) we give him a pass. Why is President Bush so vilified? IMO he did put us into a war in IRAQ that should not have been done. A serious IMO mistake for our standing in the world and extremely devisive . The reality is that "'ol bubba redneck" was gung ho to " some butt" but when it became apparent we can militarily destroy a country but not conquer it 'ol bubba (fickle bastard that he is) turned about face and condemned the President for doing what 'ol bubba redneck wanted in the first place. But we have been talking about the financial mess and the Iraq war has nothing to do with our financial meltdown that is due to CONGRESS's actions.. Are you really going to say with a straight face that it was HIS fault that the general practices being followed were HIS fault? You gotta be kidding me! Where were YOU while this was going on? Were YOU making money under all the rules that were in place?  Congress is responsible for this mess so why not knock off the "dubya did it" nonsense and point the fingers in the right direction?
  Truth is that the President of the U.S. has IMO very little power to do anything domestically other than to suggest and then the idiots in congress seem to follow any knee jerk reaction the public has to it.These guys are CAREER legislators for the most part .That's our excuse for no term limits BTW ,you know,they KNOW what should be done since they have so much "experience" that it would be difficult to set limits on their "expertise". BS, that IS the problem-no accountability due to voters stupidity and not having term limits. We NEED fresh blood in every office from the local level all the way to the top. I say 2 terms and they are out-no exceptions. IF they did such a great job during that time and after sitting out 1 term  they are free to try it again.  A dedicated public servant that also is required to live and make a living under his own policies will be MUCH MORE responsive to the voters and much more likely to make SOUND decisions since that person will have to also live by those decisions.
 With all that said President Barack Obama is leading us to HELL in a handbasket at a pace we cannot even imagine. He and his party are using this mess of which his party was as big a part of and fully condoned as the Republican were to turn this country from the land of the free into the land of the oppressed. Again.

[fabr]

One thing I would add to the solution I posted above is to direct the courts to practice "the intent of the law" rather than "the letter of the law".

That shows lack of understanding of how our country is supposed to work.We have the 3 branches for a reason and each is supposed to have clear boundries as to what they can do.THe legislative branch has the DUTY to write laws to protect us in language that conveys the INTENT OF THE LAW.  THEIR failure to do so is a big part of the problems we have. The judicial branch has the duty to enforce those laws and not to INTERPRET them into whatever suits their agenda but since the legislators fail miserably at their duty the judicial branch begins to legislate from the bench by "interpretting" the vague laws they are charged with enforcing.  The judicial branch has the duty to enforce the letter of the law and not to determine the intent. IMO our career legislators ARE the problem with this country. Want a good example? Follow Congressman Barney Frank around for a bit and you will see the epitome of hypocrisy and a great example of a person totally out of  control and has NO CLUE or care what his BS brings upon us. This man was a HUGE part of our problem yet there he is ,sitting on his high and mighty horse wait to lead us out of this mess of which he himself condoned. THe hypocrite makes me nauseous just to hear him then try following Nancy pelosi or Harry Reid for a bit. These people and ALL career politicians need returned to the real world for a "tune up " of their reasoning capabilities. NOW!!!.