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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 08:44:52 PM »
not that this is part of your discussion but i cannot see why people shop amazon! they are not the cheapest for damn sure, they do not provide and real info on the item, you cannot contact them and ask as you will never get the answer. they have quicker shipping if you are a member of prime. 99% of the time i can find the item i am looking for for less money and with a decent to full description on ebay which is sad. usually 4 to 5 days delivery. if it was sold local i would pay 10% more for the ability to drive in , view it, inspect it and the ability to return it if it fails. hell 12% would even be worth it for that huge convenience imo.

That is always part of the equation, price is not the only concern.  We have two place here I can buy boots.  The selection sucks.  Zappos it is. 

BINGO.  Yummi,I gotta get some things done. I'll reply Tonite.

Looking forward to it.   
 
:nw we are just friends discussing an issue.  Not like I am going to get grumpy.   Well, unless you are wrong.     5:

Course you may have to call for backups on this.....

"you make a decent income...and are well able to afford." 

Might I suggest some star players / backup?   rofl


HOLD it , bs1 bs1 bs1 thems are friendship ruining  bs1 bs1 bs1 allegations.  :slp :slp :slp :m :m :m

Nice try ,yummi. You know that they and I have absolutely nothing in common. They want to Force you to pay just a little more all the time,year after year. What I advocate is VOLUNTARILY paying a bit more in voluntary support of your community with the gouging exception I think we both agree upon. 
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 08:37:48 PM »
BTW,yes we are friends  if someone gets the idea we aren't and I do respect your opinion on many things and you have enlightened me a few times I must admit. Carry on ,my friend!
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 08:35:24 PM »
Honestly,yummi,if there is no local loyalty,there will soon be no local. Wonder what that does to your home values? You better sell out now before it's too late. Move to the big city and enjoy the cheaper way of living in the rat race.

The kicker, I try local first.  Seldom if ever works.  At what point is it OK?  When does it become my responsibility to take care of me? It is always your responsibility to take care of yourself but it is also ,IMO,a civic duty to also take care of your community(if at all possible) Gouging ? No but 10-15% higher on smaller ticket items can /should be understood in a very small town,struggling to survive, like Waynoka. I KNOW you know this or you wouldn't be involved in the city politics now.   

The car example above?  First stop local dealer.  They cant get within 3k of the price.  It may not be their fault/greed or even stupidity of the dealership that makes them noncompetitive.  It used to be the smaller dealerships were not given the best price from the manufacturers. They were forced to be higher due to this and depended on-customer community loyalty- just to survive. Maybe not the case now, I don't know. I do know when we still had a GM dealership here I always bought from them due to community loyalty even though I could have ,like you,driven 70 miles for a better deal. I like the guys, many have been to the house for BBQ.  They admit if it was their money they would not, but push local first as a narrative / sales tactic.   Friend owns a gun store - $35.00 for FFL transfer.  Or, buy from him at full retail (I do occasionally) and pay full tax.  Chicken breast is $4.25 a pound here vs $3.27 in Phoenix.  Plus local food tax! You can just quit whining about paying tax on food. Here in Kansas we pay full tax on ALL food purchases. Local rate is 9.5 % so boo hoo on your measly 3.5. :m.  I'm just yanking your chain on that one .I do agree with you that charging any tax on food or any other category og items is a bit stupid if the surrounding areas do not. Still,it's pretty hard for me to "feel for ya" about your 3.5 compared to my 9.5.  ;) ;) I don't see local business selling local goods.  Hell, even the Chamber of Commerce outsources accounting to India. Now that,well that is just absolutely the lowest of low things for a city to do. In all honestly there is no excuse for any city to not use local services(again assuming a small penalty perhaps over outsourcing to another town if there are local firms offering the same quality of service. When you get on the council maybe you should try to remedy that. ;) ;)) So exactly at what point do I pay attention to their "buy local" campaign?  YOU,as a citizen should make this as much an issue as the current fight you are waging against Payson.YOUR,and it IS your city, city should be EXPECTED/possibly required to support it's citizen businesses. At what point do you? That's a good question. To be honest,I have had many,many conversations on just that with my city leaders over the years. Many were quite heated. We are located less than a quarter mile from South Coffeyville,Oklahoma and another  building supply dealer.Oklahoma had approx 2% lower tax rates than here and yes,the city pays taxes on a majority of their purchases here. It is irrelevant that my city could some tax by buying from not just another city but from another state. It is a cities duty to promote and support their own just as it is ,IMO,your civic duty to support your own city and family as well. For the  most part my city does adhere to that but every couple years they need a refresher on how to think. I'm not the only business that makes their lives hell if they stray far from it. rofl 

Nobody said business would be easy.  While I can give some slack to "local" the reality is I have an obligation to me and mine before them and theirs.  With all that I commented above I understand what you are saying,I believe . I also think we are pretty much on the same page actually. I ALWAYS qualify my position on this when discussing it with anybody no matter regular Joe or with city leaders. My position is that there is no justification for any local entity to have the " I'm a taxpayer and I'm going to get my taxes back when dealing with the city". Several local businesses profess that openly and then whine when they do not get the business from the city. I say it's their own fault. I have never charged the city one penny more than any other customer. Yes,I do get almost all of their business. Treat people right and the good karma comes flying back.   



 
WIth all that said,I will readily admit that I absolutely HATE getting screwed.A LOT of US businesses ,small and large, have become nothing more than a computer terminal ordering product on an as sold basis direct from China and marking it up 1000% or more . WTF is wrong with that pic? Example:I recently made some lighted whips. I needed the 15' silicone  300 led  light strips to wrap the mast with. I tried all over and the best price I found was somewhere around 25 bux up to 40 bux for the same strips. I thought it wasn't going to be realistic to do the whips with that price and the price of other components. I said,WTH,try Alibaba. and guess what,the EXACT same strips could be had for approx 6-8 bux shipping included direct from some slanty eyes guys in China. Yup,I took care of my own ass on that one BUT, IF there was a local retailer that would have sourced them to me for say 100%markup I'd have bought local. It's just the right thing to do if at all possible,IMO.

 Now,get your butt elected in Payson and straighten this crap out . 5: ;D ;D ;D ;D
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by Yummi on July 18, 2018, 02:19:46 PM »
not that this is part of your discussion but i cannot see why people shop amazon! they are not the cheapest for damn sure, they do not provide and real info on the item, you cannot contact them and ask as you will never get the answer. they have quicker shipping if you are a member of prime. 99% of the time i can find the item i am looking for for less money and with a decent to full description on ebay which is sad. usually 4 to 5 days delivery. if it was sold local i would pay 10% more for the ability to drive in , view it, inspect it and the ability to return it if it fails. hell 12% would even be worth it for that huge convenience imo.

That is always part of the equation, price is not the only concern.  We have two place here I can buy boots.  The selection sucks.  Zappos it is. 

BINGO.  Yummi,I gotta get some things done. I'll reply Tonite.

Looking forward to it.   
 
:nw we are just friends discussing an issue.  Not like I am going to get grumpy.   Well, unless you are wrong.     5:

Course you may have to call for backups on this.....

"you make a decent income...and are well able to afford." 

Might I suggest some star players / backup?   rofl


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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by fabr on July 18, 2018, 02:06:28 PM »
not that this is part of your discussion but i cannot see why people shop amazon! they are not the cheapest for damn sure, they do not provide and real info on the item, you cannot contact them and ask as you will never get the answer. they have quicker shipping if you are a member of prime. 99% of the time i can find the item i am looking for for less money and with a decent to full description on ebay which is sad. usually 4 to 5 days delivery. if it was sold local i would pay 10% more for the ability to drive in , view it, inspect it and the ability to return it if it fails. hell 12% would even be worth it for that huge convenience imo.
BINGO.  Yummi,I gotta get some things done. I'll reply Tonite.
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by dsrace on July 18, 2018, 02:00:56 PM »
not that this is part of your discussion but i cannot see why people shop amazon! they are not the cheapest for damn sure, they do not provide and real info on the item, you cannot contact them and ask as you will never get the answer. they have quicker shipping if you are a member of prime. 99% of the time i can find the item i am looking for for less money and with a decent to full description on ebay which is sad. usually 4 to 5 days delivery. if it was sold local i would pay 10% more for the ability to drive in , view it, inspect it and the ability to return it if it fails. hell 12% would even be worth it for that huge convenience imo.
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"AP" General Discusion / Re: car derived sxs
« Last post by Yummi on July 18, 2018, 01:53:22 PM »
I suppose you did see the suspension arms are tigged?

I just asked re: Chassis.  Hope they respond.
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"AP" General Discusion / Re: car derived sxs
« Last post by dsrace on July 18, 2018, 01:46:20 PM »
motor sure cleaned up nice.

fabr i don't know why they would braze any structural tube member together. must be missing something or there's a mixture in that rod ????
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by Yummi on July 18, 2018, 01:44:05 PM »
respectfully,yummi, it is that general reason why small towns are dying. No,I do not condone " gouging "as in your car example,but the chicken example is a bit silly. You make a very decent income from what I see and are well able to afford patronizing your local grocery. If almost all citizens did the same the local grocery should be able to lower their margins. But,as more and more people chose to not patronize them the prices will continue to escalate till they are ultimately forced to close ,driving yet another nail in the city coffin. Maybe Payson will not die but it will not thrive. Waynoka will ultimately die though with nothing left but RV parks.

Again, we try local first every time.  The local Walmart (yes shame on me for shopping the corporate giant)  does not "price match" as they don't have to.  Every other one does. 

As to the "you make a decent income...and are well able to afford."  That may well be true.  Of course using the same logic I am "well able to afford" a higher marginal tax rate.  I guess 80% ought to work?   Maybe a tax on "net worth" as well?  The chicken example, assume we eat 200#s a year.  That is $200.00 plus 3% food tax.  $206.00 per year.  Carry that out to a variety of routine purchases?   

Blaming small town death on consumers is easy.  Like blaming Amazon for the decline of brick and mortar.  Nobody prevented Sears or J.C. Penny's from adapting.  Nobody.  So when someone bemoans their fate (not directed at you) and then says "you are well able to afford" what I hear is, shucks, we made poor choices, bail us out cause you can.  Again, not directed at you or local retailers - BTW I shop ACE before Home Depot. 

I have no obligation to spend more because we are "able to afford."   LMAO

 
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The Pit Stop / Re: well hell
« Last post by dsrace on July 18, 2018, 01:40:04 PM »
Checkers sort of sealed their fate when they started to not be open when duners were needing them. I couldn't believe all the comments about that the last time I stayed at dueces. To only be open till 6 was just stupid when many if not most are still in the dunes. The owners are very nice people but they cared more for themselves than the much more important customers needs. Far too many self employed make that mistake.i mean checkers could have closed afternoons and mornings and not been an issue. Late afternoon and nights,no way. Hutch,the original owner made himself wealthy in that store by keeping the customers needs a priority.


interesting point. i did know that they closed at 6 pm and never cared really as i knew to get in there before 6pm. now the ones it really bothers are the ones used to the convenience of the 24 hrs super stores. during peak dune season and especially like sand fest or doing the dunes  type party weekends i would think that store would change hrs and stay open until 10 or 11pm.   still most people with common sense see open till 6 and go ok need to get there before 6 pm lol hard to imagine the money lost by not staying open late during the 1 of 6 big weekends now going on as of 2016 to 2015.
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