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General Discussion => The Pit Stop => Topic started by: fabr on January 02, 2016, 04:36:49 PM
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The last 6 months or so have had to take a break from the buggy build. Ready,well,99% ready for sheetrock now though. All labor is by me,myself and I.
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Very nice Wes. Looks like you have your work cut out for you. What are you estimating it will take for time to finish?
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A day of wiring a couple more circuits for carport fans/lights,a couple days finalizing kitchen plumbing/wiring layout,and a couple days for the plumber( friend that owes me a few) to rough in and I'll be ready to hang rock. All the ceilings are 1x6 center match just like all the soffits. The sheetrock hanging should be 2-3 days. The ceilings will take maybe a week. 24 foot in the air adds a lot of manhours. I'll have the sheetrock taped and finished by a very talented person from the south .I'm thinking it will be a month and the time for cabinets will have come. All said I'd think another 2 months and we can move in. Outside final such as porches/patios will be late spring/summer after I finish buggy.
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Looks fantastic and I would expect nothing less than that!
What's the little room that comes out front, upstairs? Except there's no steps to it atleast not yet.
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Looks amazing!!!!
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Awesome, I love the heavy beams and wood exterior. Did you do the whole design?
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Love that Colorado Montana look Wess. Place should stand up to a F4 anyways. Am I seeing right? Are them two large beams out back all that is holding up the top room? Anyway that is no less then I would expect form you my man. When's the house warming party?
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That does it you are hired. We don't pay much, but the bath and kitchen remodels should only take a couple weeks for a guy with your skills. $50.00 a day, three cup o noodles, a room heated to 62* and a cup of coffee per day sound fair? We can sweeten the deal with a wi fi password after hours if need be.
Looks great and must give you a huge sense of pride. Post up more pictures when you can.
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Looks fantastic and I would expect nothing less than that!
What's the little room that comes out front, upstairs? Except there's no steps to it atleast not yet.
Thank you. That's the solarium above the yet to be built front porch . There are 4 large pieces of glass to be installed still where you see the OSB . The whole thing is basically glass with a 14 foot ceiling. There will be 2 large peeled logs for porch posts.
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Looks amazing!!!!
I appreciate that.
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Love that Colorado Montana look Wess. Place should stand up to a F4 anyways. Am I seeing right? Are them two large beams out back all that is holding up the top room? Anyway that is no less then I would expect form you my man. When's the house warming party?
Yep! That's the only way I will ever have my Colorado ski lodge I've always wanted. I just have way too much stuff to ever move away from here. Actually there are 5 of those beams carrying all the roof and supporting that room as well. There's no need for any porch posts but they are needed to complete the look. Ya,I over built the thing. All 2x6 walls and those beams are 8x18 size. Oh,and heavy as hell!!!
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That does it you are hired. We don't pay much, but the bath and kitchen remodels should only take a couple weeks for a guy with your skills. $50.00 a day, three cup o noodles, a room heated to 62* and a cup of coffee per day sound fair? We can sweeten the deal with a wi fi password after hours if need be.
Looks great and must give you a huge sense of pride. Post up more pictures when you can.
I'll be right out but you'll need to turn the thermostat down to 60. Also change to cheese and crackers with tequilla. The wifi would be a nice touch. ;D ;D Thanks yum,I know you are a man with good taste!
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Something that cannot be seen is my unique way of central heating/cooling. I have no duct work yet I have central heat/cool. ??? ???
Most central hvac will have a plenum with ducts running under the slab or in the crawl space to each room and outlets in each room.It works in 99.9999% of all houses built past /present/future. BUT I wanted radiant heat in all rooms however that would be cost prohibitive for me. SOOOOO,I was watching some documentary or some other BS educational TV show and saw something I had forgotten about. It was how the rich and powerful Romans heated their mansions and such. They used raised stone floors and built fires under them. Nice toasty housing in the cold winters of Rome. Well ,that got me to thinking. How can I achieve total radiant heat cost effectively? My solution was to combine thermal mass with the old roman method.
Now to give a bit more info first,the house is not on a slab. It has a crawl space just like any other house but that is where it ceases to be conventional. The entire foundation and the master bedroom(only bedroom BTW) are made from ICF's. ICF's are foam concrete forms. Mine are 2" foam outside/8" reinforced concrete/2" foam inside. The bedroom also has insulated concrete ceiling creating a tornado shelter as well as additional thermal mass.
Back to the crawlspace. I placed 2" eps foam on the ground and poured 4" concrete on top. That and the ICF foundation created the totally sealed/insulated crawlspace with thermal mass. The entire crawlspace is now the HVAC plenum.No need for ducts,just need openings and floor registers just like a conventional central system BUT I now have a totally heated floor as well. BTW,it works in reverse in summer when the AC is running. I'll have cooler floors in summer. Best of both worlds. So far I have found the comfort level is light years ahead of conventional central heat.
So,taking a hint from the Romans of old,I thought I had come up with something no one,at least in my neck of the woods ,had done. WELLLLLL,I was wrong. Before I actually started the build a very rich oil man about 50 miles from me started his house. Guess what . He did the (almost) exact thing! Good thing he's rich though because he failed to insulate his crawlspace/thermal mass as I did. He just formed using conventional concrete techniques. Why do I keep saying thermal mass? Well,the heat/cool that would normally be wasted to atmosphere from poorly insulated ducts is trapped in the TM and returned to me between run cycles of the HVAC. This gives a very stable inside house temperature with very,very little fluctuation.
Did I save money using this method compared to conventional ducting? LMAO LMAO rofl rofl LMAO LMAO rofl Nope! Will it save me in the long run? I think it will but that was not the goal. MY comfort was. Goal accomplished.
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very impressive!! and lack of conventional ducting will add to the look very nicely ! i like that look and always will.
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are you installing a real wood burning fireplace inside as well? or would that draft the heat under the floor out to fast? i assume there's a nice large shop going up around this house somewhere for fabr's toybox? ;D
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The rough sawn ,wavy edge western cedar siding is what really sets it apart. I'll get a couple close up pics so you guys can see. It has a wavy cut edge to simulate the look of a slab cut from a natural log shape. I pondered long and hard on using it since it ONLY cost me approx $3 per square foot compared to straight edge cedar siding @ less than 1/2 the cost or more commonly used sidings at less than 1/4 the cost but I'm very glad I spent the coin now.
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are you installing a real wood burning fireplace inside as well? or would that draft the heat under the floor out to fast? i assume there's a nice large shop going up around this house somewhere for fabr's toybox? ;D
No fireplace for the reason you gave.My 48x110 shop is only 300 feet away. It's the same distance from my current house. I'm building on the same property,just across the pond.
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The wavy edge siding , a pic from south side of house and one of the drive across the pond dam to the house. Shop is on far side of pond.
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Damn That looks cold rofl
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It was a balmy 30 degrees today.
Here's a google earth shot of my place. Current house is in red,new house in yellow and shop in that sissy color ,whatever that is. ;D
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i like it and always sucks when we look forward to 30* lol
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Sissy color, isn't that color of new buggy? LMAO LMAO
I really like the wavy siding, it looks perfect on that style of home!!
Damn it's 22* her this morning, after 75* on Christmas day. Where's my pants and jacket. ;D
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You don't own a pair of pants...................... 5:
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Does the underside / plenum area have access to it? How tall is it? Reason I ask is water can be a bitch on sub floor decking, and underfloor HVAC ducts, etc. We are all just one burrito away from a toilet overflow.
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Here's a google earth shot of my place. Current house is in red,new house in yellow and shop in that sissy color ,whatever that is. ;D
Your neighbor does a fine job with his deforestation program.
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Does the underside / plenum area have access to it? How tall is it? Reason I ask is water can be a bitch on sub floor decking, and underfloor HVAC ducts, etc. We are all just one burrito away from a toilet overflow.
Yes , it has access ,under the elevator and a whole house dehumidifier in the system to avoid any condensation issues as well. Being concrete floor in the crawlspace makes access everywhere ,on a creeper,a piece of cake!
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Elevator? Planning ahead huh? I see folks around here cut corners, do the cheap way on all the foundation, waterproofing, structural stuff then spend money on the finishes. Lights, wall covering, counters, flooring. Then kick themselves constantly.
Great job, love the creeper idea. Too old for hands and knees. At least for going under house! ;)
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Elevator? Planning ahead huh? I see folks around here cut corners, do the cheap way on all the foundation, waterproofing, structural stuff then spend money on the finishes. Lights, wall covering, counters, flooring. Then kick themselves constantly.
Great job, love the creeper idea. Too old for hands and knees. At least for going under house! ;)
You bet. There will be no stairway. It happens everywhere. People,for the most part,just screw themselves.
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Well,next Monday I should be able to take a break and finish the buggy hood and get the body fully mounted.Oh,I'm sooooo happy! ii: ii: Drywall is hung ,ready for finishingbut for bath room,still waiting on custom shower base. Probably another 3 weeks till it's here. I leave the drywall taping to the pros. SOME things are best left to those that do it all the time.Should be about right delay though to get hood done. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Your neighbor does a fine job with his deforestation program.
Ya,I wake up one morning about 25 years ago to a bulldozer about 100 feet on MY SIDE of the property line. Sorry bastard.We still don't speak or acknowledge each other even exist at all. He stays the hell on his property though! ;) ;)
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still waiting on custom shower base. Probably another 3 weeks till it's here.
Huh? Tile guys not water proofing custom pan? Why not? We are ordering things up for new bath redo and tile guys will run pan up walls. Why base instead of pan on site?
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No way in hell would I fab a pan . Way too many ways to fail. We actually sell Schluter shower systems ,one of the best there is. We also sell Onyx showers. I'm going one piece onyx base with Schluter waterproof system on walls covered with ceramic. I'm actually doing a steam room. 3 foot by 8 foot,6.5 foot tall. I LOVE hot ,long showers. Adding steam is the cat's ass!!!!
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A bit of info.
http://www.schluter.com/schluter-us/en_US/Shower-System/c/SS
http://www.onyxcollection.com/ (http://www.onyxcollection.com/)
http://steamsaunadepot.com/kohler-steam-generator-diy-kit-diy-kit-k-by-kohler.html (http://steamsaunadepot.com/kohler-steam-generator-diy-kit-diy-kit-k-by-kohler.html)
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I prefer the membranes. Cement board backer on walls and liner w/ mortar base. Just my personal experience. Besides we are using smooth river rock for the floor. Feels nice like a little foot massage.
The pans often times fail as folks rarely support them adequately. Hairlines at drain from flex. Then the pan also flexes at different rate than walls. Mostly an issue on panel walls. Confident that is not an issue for you.
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I've been selling all types for about 35 years now. I think I've seen them all. I am completely aware of the issues with all as well. Yes,I much prefer the look of rock,etc but I wish long term durability. I'm going to live to 100 ya know. You should seriously look into the schluter system for the pan though. That vinyl liner is not the best way. It is OK but not the best.I'll stick with the onyx base myself. All a matter of preference. How long is your installer warranting your base? Mine has a 10 year warranty and we have never had one fail -ever.
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Warranty? Don't know, don't care. Will say that the GC will warranty it for a long time, willing to bet 10 years P/L.
Base is not the pricey part. Access and egress is. Homeowner's covers that. What I am seeing is a 10 year life on pans, typically on installs with out slab, (2nd floor, etc) and 20 to 30 on site built. Often time the caulking fails, degrades adjacent areas and it gets pulled. Effn people never think nothing needs you know "maintenance."
Like you say, we all have our preferences. I doubt I will out live the shower. If I do, well bully for me.
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stop being stubborn and investigate the schluter system in lieu of the vinyl pan liner.
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me stubborn?
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stop being stubborn and investigate the schluter system in lieu of the vinyl pan liner.
I am good with that btw. Memebranes have come a long way of late. Good product. Just don't like the Onyx pans or fiberglass pans of any sort.
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I hate the look of onyx and there are no real quality FG pans today. I will put an onyx base and a quality pan system in the same category though. With a traditional pan though there is still the issue of it never fully drying out. That is why the drains for vinyl pans are designed to drain away water that gets down to the yinyl as it will definitely do. With the schluter system however,the membrane is actually bonded to the drain flange with no way for any water to get under it as with a traditional pan. Seriously,look into it. Study the details. I know you are a very smart guy and you will see the superiority of it over a traditional pan system.
Are you having traditional sanded grout used or epoxy?
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me stubborn?
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO priceless!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Huh? Tile guys not water proofing custom pan? Why not? We are ordering things up for new bath redo and tile guys will run pan up walls. Why base instead of pan on site?
rofl rofl rofl rofl I AM the tile guys. Truth is that in the armpit of Kansas there are no quality tradesmen. Most are 50 years behind the times and they are only 30 years old...............
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rofl rofl rofl rofl I AM the tile guys. Truth is that in the armpit of Kansas there are no quality tradesmen. Most are 50 years behind the times and they are only 30 years old...............
I'm starting the feel that way up here.
Then trying to find a drywall guy that will show up is becoming ridicules.
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Things have changed dramatically ,for the worse,over last 40 years or so.
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Don't even get me going on tradesmen. I am bringing guys up from Phoenix. Cheaper to pay them travel than deal with the locals and I get a better product. Elk season rolls around and good luck finding anybody here who will work. Then they all complain there is no work.
Don't know on the epoxy fabr. Here is the deal, GC in Phoenix I do a lot of work with is lining up the best of his best and I get it at his cost. (I "sell" / refer about 400 / 750k a year for him. Been a friend for 10+ years. Solid guy. ) The price of shit is getting retarded stupid. Hoping to keep it under 20k. We are not moving walls, drains etc and it is still a 20k project. It should be nice though?
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. I LOVE hot ,long showers.
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Do you sing in the shower?
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Very very quietly........
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I'm sure it will be nice and a quality job. Ya baths and kitchens are money pits for sure. My shower materials alone are in the 6K range at my cost. Add in labor and profit and POOF ! There went that 20K. Those that can do it themselves save a lot of $$$$
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looks like it will be worth it in the long run