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General Discussion => The Pit Stop => Topic started by: Yummi on February 18, 2010, 06:50:03 AM
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Any input on this car? Good / bad - things I may not see?
This is a great buggie and will go anywhere easily (and quickly too)! New family forces me to get a 5 seater.
2 seat, mid engine, turbo 2.0 subaru built by Outback (now Outfront), adjustable boost controller, extensive chrome package, etc...runs on 110 and is VERY reliable.
Md 4 S trans, 930 CV's (race prepped Gear One), 4 wheel disc brakes, shaved front triple razors, 5 link rear suspension, gear one componants for the steering, brakes, etc, KC lights, 5 lug hubs, braided and hard lines, beadlock wheels, K&N filters with outerwears, ...
It's a 2006, I bought it early last year and probably have about 5 trips on it. I really love it but can't take the new family with me and don't want to haul / maintain 2 cars.
No breakages so far and it doesn't seem like there will be any (...solid ride) but I did go thru the CV's recently just to be safe.
Thanks for all the props guys !
Interior is Black cloth, roof and side panels are lined in Black cloth, Buggie has an interior dome light and upper / lower lights are switched separately.
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Ice chest is too small.
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Yummi
If that is a tec three car the brackets that hold the rear five link on are pron to breakage. They can be beefed up. I was following one once that the lower forward link broke on the drivers side and came down. Tec 3 with a Subie in it. We were running pinned along the canal at Butter Cup when it let go. He did save it form flipping but it sure did mess things up. Other then that I like the Tec 3. Just need to beef up the five link brackets some. Nice car. You thinking about buying?
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Yes. Thinking about it.
Which brackets fail? All of the five link or just the rear etc?
Before I buy I would have John at Outfront inspect, etc - An experianced set of eyes would save me from my next mistake.....
While it is there if it is a done deal, I would have him do a few changes / mods. Likely he could rework the brackets if he had a concern about them.....
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that's a nice looking rail! I see they welded tie down tabs under the frame that is always a plus. If you do buy it or get a chance to take a couple of good pics of the 5 link carrier please post or send them my way. i am interested in what the front side looks like, it looks like from the pic that the bottom rods are in single shear at the wheel? fast I thought the tech III carriers were flat plates they butt welded tubes to for their connection points?
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that's a nice looking rail! I see they welded tie down tabs under the frame that is always a plus. If you do buy it or get a chance to take a couple of good pics of the 5 link carrier please post or send them my way. i am interested in what the front side looks like, it looks like from the pic that the bottom rods are in single shear at the wheel? fast I thought the tech III carriers were flat plates they butt welded tubes to for their connection points?
They are u shaped brackets that are butt welded to the frame. The car I was running with the brackets were bent out of 3/16 material. We got him back to the shop and welded .25 plate on either side with the bolt hole drilled. Didn't look real good but worked.
looking at the pictures of this car they look the same. Just not heavy enough material. The hole will wear out and elongate and then things will go south from there. The front lower driver side broke and the Travers arm went under the wheel and lifted the car up like a pogo stick. He was very lucky that it didn't roll.
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that's a nice looking rail! I see they welded tie down tabs under the frame that is always a plus. If you do buy it or get a chance to take a couple of good pics of the 5 link carrier please post or send them my way. i am interested in what the front side looks like, it looks like from the pic that the bottom rods are in single shear at the wheel? fast I thought the tech III carriers were flat plates they butt welded tubes to for their connection points?
Yes the bottom links are single shear. Same as mine. Just need a good grade bolt for them. Never seen a problem with them in single shear. At that point.
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Nice looking car!
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Still thinking. Went and looked at this tonight. Little more than i want to spend, but the only thing missing is car to car - has intercom.
So - specs. One off frame with all Tatum components. LS1, 2D, Power Steering, Mid Engine, Adjustable Seats, HID light bar.
If i make a run for it, it will go to ADS (Local shop with Dyno) and to Kevin McMullin (Desert Racer fab build guy) to inspect before the deal is done. The guy is agreeable to putting it on the ADS dyno to warm it up, run through the gears, etc - not a full pull, but at least a healthy one. He says 305 HP to the ground.
Any Input?
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Beautiful car but 6th from last pic bugs me.
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Me too. That's why I took a picture of it. It has been repaired. Guy said there were three spots that were repaired, and as a consequence, others that were reinforced. Apparently the car was built with tabs w/out reinforcement. Top shock mounts on the front end, etc. Those have been reworked and same for some of the lower tabs.
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IMO,be very cautious.
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IMO,be very cautious.
Dude, next time just speak up. Make me figure this out myself just hurts.....
This what you worried about?
Not gonna do it. More i thought about it - mounting the front arms with bushing in lieu of heims is just hokey - major PITA to rework. Weird, they can dump money into the rest and not do the heims right? Somebody will get a nice headache.
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There ya go. IMO you made the right decision.
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Dude, next time just speak up. Make me figure this out myself just hurts.....
This what you worried about?
Not gonna do it. More i thought about it - mounting the front arms with bushing in lieu of heims is just hokey - major PITA to rework. Weird, they can dump money into the rest and not do the heims right? Somebody will get a nice headache.
Allot of builders will do this because bushings are much quieter then heims. and a good nyltron bushing will last five times as long as a heim. If done right with double sheer tabs "not channel tabs" bushings can be nice. Just not the way that one is done. Smart man to walk away from that one.
Were them side panels alli or fiberglass? Look like fiberglass to me. Go back to the Tec 3.
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If done right with double sheer tabs "not channel tabs" bushings can be nice.
In this above quote is channel tabs whats you are refferring to in the pic above showing the bushing with the U shaped bracket holding the arm bushing at an odd angle??
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Allot of builders will do this because bushings are much quieter then heims. and a good nyltron bushing will last five times as long as a heim. If done right with double sheer tabs "not channel tabs" bushings can be nice. Just not the way that one is done. Smart man to walk away from that one.
Were them side panels alli or fiberglass? Look like fiberglass to me. Go back to the Tec 3.
Ditto.
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In this above quote is channel tabs whats you are refferring to in the pic above showing the bushing with the U shaped bracket holding the arm bushing at an odd angle??
Yes ,it is. Nothing wrong with bushings-possibly superior to heims. The mounting tabs are the issue.
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Still thinking.......
Not a fan of the 091 behind this motor. Uncertain of a carb motor. needs new belts (3 point - really?). he is asking 14k and I would not go there on the car. Likly not go over 10k as there is a lot of work to be done, but as a platform.....
Any input?
2006 RFR 2 seater, Buick 215 V8 mild build (cam, heads, carb. all aluminum 300lbs) new Transworks fully built 091 with three trips. 930's, tabbed for front and rear bypass with 2.0 Fox on all four corners. Panels are raw and the frame is painted, not registered but have receipts for the build to get it done.
Will be in Glamis for Presidents day in wash 3 or 4.
The car is about 1400lbs
Overall length is 14'2".
Front of car to back of rear paddle is 12'2".
Overall rear with paddles is 92" (76" with trailer tires)
Front is 85" (with ratchet strap 81")
Wheelbase 115.5"
http://www.rfr1motorsports.com/ (http://www.rfr1motorsports.com/)
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Bad call on the three point. Epic Fail. Car has potential but like you say not for $14K. $9K and lose the 215 Buick. Nice start for a 2.2 with the super charger or the turbo. Stay with a light four Banger. Anything heaver and it will stand on its tail to much pulling the hills. Must have screwed up on the two per side front shocks. My .02.
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Move on to the next car.
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Move on to the next car.
The search continues......
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Maybe it is time to give up buggy - get something i can use in desert and sand both? Added bonus - street?
The tranny was built by Wright Gear Box and is a 091 and the car has 14" in front and 16" of travel in rear. It has CNC disc brakes all around, turning brakes, SACO rack and pinion steering, 930 cv's, Race Craft seats that adjust, 4 pt. harnesses, VDO gauges, Grant removable steering wheel, 14 gal fuel cell and a Ron Davis alum. radiator w/ fans.
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Now you've gone and pissed off whip! LMAO Nice looking bug.
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That car look waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy to busy. kick :slp
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Still thinking....
091, V6 Honda, 20" with bypass, street legal.
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I like the look of it being a convertable ;D
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NICE! You might have a winner there. I didn't critique the pics for design issues yet but I LIKE it for some reason.
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Uh,something in the last pic is bothering me. Got a better one of that? I can't enlarge it . Would like to.
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It has power steering as well. Ask is 23k. I know the bottom line. I will pm
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Thanks Mastr for the PM - Too cool that folks I have never met might stop me from making a mistake / bad choice.
Can I copy and paste for the other folks to learn?
The car is about 500 miles away - let me know what pictures to get. I can send him an email and explain what I am looking to resolve.
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sure post it up
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Possible point of concern on the blue Baja: Please discuss.
Mastr
Have you checked out the front camber curve? The top a arm mounts are very close together. It concerns me a bit. I really like it's look . Cool as hell IMO.
Quote from: Yummi on Today at 08:04:58 PM
No, have not seen the car in person. It is about 500 miles away. Beyond that how would i check that?
Built by a guy who does all sorts of off road stuff. He built it for his son. Son lost interest.
Mastr
Need to remove a shock and cycle suspension full droop to full bump. Wheel needs to lean in more progressively as the suspension goes from full bump to full droop. If it doesn;t the tires will wear very fast on street and handle corners very funky. The upper and lower a arms inner pivots are ,I think ,parallel and that indicates ,at least on every car I ever saw,that there will be no camber gain. Might be OK for sand but not good at all on pavement. I'd take a long day trip and drive it ,on pavement,before any money changed hands.
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Why won't the picture enlarge?
I agree the inner mounts are the same width, however it looks to me like there is some KPI which means a shorter upper arm and some camber change. Hard to tell from the photo but the spindle may also have a little more seperation on the A-arms than the frame which will also cause positive camber change.
Back on the first car, I thought that his wanting to be present when the car was run at outfront to be totally up and up and fair. I have hung around a lot of motorheads. If he does his own motor work he has a very good reason not to let it be run without him present. When someone is trying to sell their car the last thing they want to do is have to drop in more dollars to repair something.
The guy I have build my race motors and do my dyno work, I would not let him dyno a motor built by someone else that I bought without being present. The old if it wasn't built here it wasn't built right complex. If he heard something ticking he would turn the rpm up, and start another pull. After it blew he would say "guess it wasn't as good as they claimed, can you get your money back?" I have seen it happen. :-\
I don't know any of the parties involved, so I am not suggesting anything about anyone involved, but that is why I probably wouldn't send anything of mine off to be put on a dyno without having a deposit or being present.
It is really to bad that the LS1 car had some issues. It had some sweet components.
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The first car? That was so yesterday.
The request was not for a dyno pull. It was to listen to the transmission. Fine if he wanted to be there. But he would not let the car run through the gears on the dyno. Keep in mind the guy to put it on the dyno is the same guy who tuned it and one of the the best guys in the business for Subaru motors. (Crawford builds the rally motors) All of that was a work around.
The kicker was pay first, then run it through the gears, and if I give back as he delivered then he gives me back my money? Not so much. Too many cars out there to agree to those terms.
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Too many cars out there to agree to those terms.
True. You ever consider a V-8 Sandrocket? (Heck I have seen one with a Buick turbo V-6 out of a Grabnd National that flew) Most Sandrockets use common Chevy engines and Turbo 350 automatics. CHEAP if a rebuild is needed.
If you looking I would at least try to find one of those who would take you for a ride in it in the desert/dunes.
Might like it.
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True. You ever consider a V-8 Sandrocket? (Heck I have seen one with a Buick turbo V-6 out of a Grabnd National that flew) Most Sandrockets use common Chevy engines and Turbo 350 automatics. CHEAP if a rebuild is needed.
If you looking I would at least try to find one of those who would take you for a ride in it in the desert/dunes.
Might like it.
Not so much into the sand rockets - like the concept - lifesavers car is currently for sale - he is too proud of it. There is an option that has a similar concept.
2 seat mid engine, vortec 4.3L, close ratio 4spd, 9" rear end with 5.12 gears an ARB air locker and 35 spline stub shafts. 23" of travel in the front and 19" in the rear. howe power steering. 540c GPS. 2.5 air shocks with king 2.5 triple bypass. dirt and sand tires. i have only put about 100 miles on this car but need to sell to pay bills. in the pics it has 33" tires with steel wheels but now it has 35's on aluminum wheels.
$26000obo
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Not so much into the sand rockets - like the concept - lifesavers car is currently for sale - he is too proud of it. There is an option that has a similar concept.
That front view pic is a well designed front suspension. Compare that to the front pic I questioned. IMO,write the check.
AFTER a test ride/drive.
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Wow Yummi!!!!! this one boarder lines on TO GOOD OF A DEAL. This thing has been stolen or he needs to pay bail. $26K Looks a bit over built for that.
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Damm! Could you pass the seller info along if your not buying that last one. ;D
The craftsmanship looks like a real winner.
I would like to see how the 4 speed is mated to the 9" I could never figure out how to get it that short.
Eta: The haters won't like the U-joints.
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The haters wont like a workaround on the transaxle either. Should be bullett proof.
Let me see if i can find some more info from the guy. It is a pretty cool looking car and looks like it would survive a rool over or two.
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Part of our conversation on the car......
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thanks! it has a close ratio saginaw 4spd. these trannys came in early camaros, novas, corvettes and so on... they are strong, easy to work on, super cheap to fix and it has a strong reverse. the tranny and diff are hard coupled together so no u-joint inbetween. as far as how the 9" would work in the sand, i dont see why it wouldnt. some after market transaxles use a 9" diff for exaple mendeola. i think one of the main reasons you dont see to many 9" diffs in sandrails is becouse they are a longer setup than the mendeola and they arent as convienent as a transaxle. when you use a 9" you have to modify a tranny to connect to the diff so its not as easy as just buying one done complete unit.
ill be honest with you, if you plan on using this car for sand only its not your best buy. it was setup as desert #1 and sand #2. it will dune great but you will not be beating to many at the drags. but if you take one of those faster ls1 sandrails out in the desert and race 100 miles you will spank it every time.
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Sounds pretty simple and straight forward. "Winning" at the sand is not really my thing. Reliability and safety are. Thats why your car caught my eye. Woulkd likly use it 50 / 50 dirt and dunes. Could you race this car in any class? Off the top of my head, other than Sportsman, i cant think of where it would fit in a desert race.
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I didnt build it with extensions on racing so it dosnt fall into any class although i wish i did... i was thinking of racing it in the vorra series running either class1 or sportsman. since vorra is a lower budget series compared to score or bitd it might of done ok in class1.
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I have been thinking of sportsman. Looks like it might go as a 1350 car in MORE or Whiplash. What is the tube thickness? Still have to pass tech even in sportsman.
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the main chassis is 1.5" .120 wall. it weighs 2500lbs +/-. i weighed it on a truck scale so thats a ball park. i know it will pass VORRA tech as far as tube size but im not sure about MORE.
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Wow Yummi!!!!! this one boarder lines on TO GOOD OF A DEAL. This thing has been stolen or he needs to pay bail. $26K Looks a bit over built for that.
Not stolen. He has bills to pay. All receipts would be included.
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Why haven't you written the check yet? ;D ;D ;D
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BTW,the Saggy trans was the weakest of the era available Chevy trannies. Strongest was the muncie M22 then the M21(most available and most used ) then the M20 and Saggy being the least desirable. Nice thing though is that they are direct replacements for each other dimensionally. The M22 was known as the rock crusher because it made so much noise . VERY loud and actually did sound sort of like a rock crusher.
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Not stolen. He has bills to pay. All receipts would be included.
This thread is looking more like dejfu all the time. Ask this guy if he had a build thread on gd.com on this car and if the gear set in the traney is for a corvair? I think I read and watched a build therad on this car for a while on there. Go over to gd and search for it.
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He had a sale thread there. No build thread that i can find anywhere. BTW, car sold. - DOH!
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A saginaw 4 speed tranny would not use anything corvair or corvair related in it.
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He had a sale thread there. No build thread that i can find anywhere. BTW, car sold. - DOH!
Those that snooze- lose.
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Those that snooze- lose.
Perfect - not even one cup of coffee in me and Mastr is calling me a looser. Gonna be a long day........
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rofl rofl Hey!,I'm just an observer. ;D ;D Sorry for the loss. I look at these types of things as just another opportunity to find something perhaps even better.
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I don't worry too much. I will find the right car / price.
1. Dune / Desert season is just about over.
2. I have cash.
3. Tax season is coming.
4. Lots of cars currently - lots more coming.
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This thread is looking more like dejfu all the time. Ask this guy if he had a build thread on gd.com on this car and if the gear set in the traney is for a corvair? I think I read and watched a build therad on this car for a while on there. Go over to gd and search for it.
Wait. Here is a build thread for the car
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875 (http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875)
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Wait. Here is a build thread for the car
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875 (http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875)
I thought I had followed that build.
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Keep up the Hunt! I am loving this thread... The excitement of the hunt without spending my money. ;D
Went to the dunes today to flog my brothers new RZR-S. They tell me that there is a X-18 for sale but I can't find the alleged Craigslist add. I would make some calls if your interested. They said it's green.
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BTW, LS1 cars are starting to go for crazy low numbers.....
2006 Quicksand Performance 5-seater 116 inch wheelbase, chromo. chassis. 20" front and rear travel, bypass rear, single front with King 2.5's all around. 4 wheel disc brakes, power steering, stock 6.0 Chevy ('91 pump gas). MEFI / Delphi ECU (approximately 375 hp). Custom jet coated headers with mufflers. VIN tagged '06, therefore no smog required. Quicksand / PBS / Megasand 2D Trans. Brand new 930 CV Joints. Ron Davis Radiator, custom fuel tank with rollover valves. 33 STU blasters, 850 razors on matching OMF Beadlocks. Custom roof rack, 4 HID Lazer Stars. COLOR: Embee silver sparkle blue and silver powdercoat. 13.6" overall length, 94" wide rear with paddles on. Fits in widebody trailers. Used once a month for two winter seasons at Glamis only. Meticulously maintained and turnkey for this season. Needs nothing.
$29,500 obo, call (714) 749-6579.
new price,24500
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Sign of the times.
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Went to the dunes today to flog my brothers new RZR-S.
I want to know more about this. Start a thread. Everytime I drive by the dealer I slow down. Then the girlfriend gives me a dirty look and I move on. I have stopped a few times just to sit in them though. She wasn't happy...
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Wait. Here is a build thread for the car
http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875 (http://www.glamisdunes.com/invision/index.php?showtopic=99875)
WELL,I have found the way to my next car. I love the transaxle idea!
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WELL,I have found the way to my next car. I love the transaxle idea!
Well when your ready to pull the trigger on that one, I have a whole barn full of them three and four speed tran's. Come on over and pick out a couple.
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Now that's an offer I can't turn down.
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BTW, LS1 cars are starting to go for crazy low numbers.....
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That ones a beauty!
I want to know more about this. Start a thread. Everytime I drive by the dealer I slow down. Then the girlfriend gives me a dirty look and I move on. I have stopped a few times just to sit in them though. She wasn't happy...
Will do!
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This one is out of Kansas (KC -south) - but it is the ultimate "roller" it runs.....
Ask - 15k
Trying to sell my long travel buggy with a 2.5 turbo intercooled Outback motor.Built in 2008 and took 6 months to build. First trip to the sand dunes was in late 2008. It was built by a friend and I. He's not a big name builder but he has been building buggies, drag cars, rock crawlers for the last 15 years so he knows what is right and what is wrong. There were no shortcuts taken when building this buggy. Built with the best parts. The buggy is unpainted, ready for whatever color you want to paint it. The front of the buggy was built off of a tatum car. The main frame was built with .095 DOM with 1 inch bracing. Front A arms were built with 1 1/4 .120 chromoly. It has had three trips to the sand dunes with no problems. Fun and fast to drive, will wheeley and you will enjoy.
- 20 inches of travel up front with a 10 inch, 2.0 fox remote Reservoir
- 18 inches in the rear with 14 inch, 2.0 fox remote reservoir
- all 4 wheels have bead locks by Douglas with 14.50 dunesports in the rear and 6.75 razorbacks in the front
- 2.5 Turbo intercooled Outback motor with the billet rail big injectors ran by the ems stinger rated at 250 - 320 hp cooled with the sand fabrication radiator with aluminum shroud with 2, 12 inch fans
- all braided lines
- CNC rear brake with pedals and turning brake (all CNC)
- grey Corebeau suspension seats with Crow 5 point harness
- 3 eagle oval lights up front and two hellas
- aluminum console with carbon fiber gauges (temp oil and boost)
- Drive train is a 091 six rib built by Don's Bus box with all the best parts inside (weedle) geared for the 2.5 Weedle main shaft and gears- 1st and 2nd 3.44 x 2.25, 3rd gear 1.78 electronic beam welded .4th gear 1.26 electonic beam welded and much more
- 930 CV's
- ProAm billet shifter
- 12 gallon RCI aluminum gas tank
I know i am forgetting things, much more there. Please email any questions.
See the buggy here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UigaQHWbpH4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UigaQHWbpH4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytw4wFqf5bk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytw4wFqf5bk)
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the silence on the last one was deafening. ......
how about this one? Ask is 25k Breaks and PS do not show in pics- recent additions.
Sandrail 3.5 Honda V-tec w/turbocharger. Mendeola 2-D. Front brakes and power steering. The car does have an intercom, but does not have a car to car. The chassis was built by Shannon Werks: Troy Shannon. It is a mid-travel car. We shot for 16 inches of travel when we built it............ never really measured that I recall............ The tranny was built by Mark at Mark's Sandtrans in Oregon. If you want to give him a call he is very cordial, knowledgeable, and informative. He will remember the car. It's seen fairly limited usage since it was built......... It might have 6 or 8 trips on it since it was built. It is a very clean car. I have 60K in it hard money............... 25K takes it. It is a Howe pump........ Charlynn............. and the rack was replaced with a new Tatum.........
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Honestly why are you screwing with these little blown motors in a "full size" buggy. Just go LS motor (400 hp naturally aspirated minimum), it'll run it's heart out for you all day long without a hiccup. I can guarantee you won't regret it. Flame suit on ;D I know I'm gonna catch shit from someone here for that statement but I whole heartedly feel it to be true.
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Honestly why are you screwing with these little blown motors in a "full size" buggy. Just go LS motor (400 hp naturally aspirated minimum), it'll run it's heart out for you all day long without a hiccup. I can guarantee you won't regret it. Flame suit on ;D I know I'm gonna catch shit from someone here for that statement but I whole heartedly feel it to be true.
Fair question - problem is that most lower end LS cars are four seaters w/ 2d. Not my thing on the four seats. Nice Ls car that is a two seater gets to be pricey. In large part that is because you move away from a 2d. So then you start getting into a 4S and well, it just goes from there. Bigger shocks, bigger this bigger that - more weight....... Few and far between is a two seat LS car around that is under 50k. I max at 30k.
I have found a 2d N/A 6cyl car that the guy is very unresponsive on.
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Okay. You've been searching the market and I haven't...... I just didn't want you to get less bang for your buck than you deserve ;D The nickname for turbochargers/superchargers when I was younger (-30 years ago) was TROUBLECHARGERS. I know I'll get shit form some more people for that ;D but if you can get away without stressing the motor with "blowing" it you'll save money in the long run. Plus LS based motors are cheap it's just all the other crap you need to support the powerplant that makes that much horsepower. In the long run buy one car and never have to upgrade.
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Who is this someone you refer to? ;D ??? ;D ;D
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here is the other 2d 6cyl car..... - some pictures show triple bypass, some do not....
305 HP CADILLAC NEW STAR ENGINE 3.6 L V6. SET UP BY MECH TECK. NEW MENDEOLA 2D TRANS. NEW B.A.S. SHIFTER. TRIPLE BYPASS IN BACK, CHROMOLLY CHASSIE, CAR TO CAR RADIO. CALL MIKE FOR ANY MORE INFO. HOME 951-682-8344 OR CELL 909-560-2646. CAR LOCATED IN RIVERSIDE CA. THE TRIPLE BYPASSES WERE ADDED LAST YEAR, SO SOME PHOTOS WILL NOT SHOW THEM. $25,000[/quote
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The red Honda one looks nice Yummi! The dash looks very nice. And clean overall good lines, but it looks to me like it could use some sag dialed in. No biggie.
The Kansas car....... What do you expect it's from Kansas. 8) J/K But are you looking for a project?
Lance, you think the same way I did when I first got into sand. It would seem a Ls is the cheap simple solution, but in the sand it isn't the motor that causes the most trouble it is the trans axle. Also weight is exponentially important. In order to be theoretically bullet proof behind an Ls you need a 10K+ tranny but most people get by with a 7K tranny that if you jump and land in the gas or get rough with the clutch or use reverse could spit chunks at any time with a 3K+ repair bill. Not fun dunning with this always in the back of your mind.
Part of it is because of the brutal torque of the V-8. A blown or turbo motor half the size with much less flyweight and making power at higher rpm is much less likely to damage the tranny while having the same overall performance and using less fuel.
Just my $.02.
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The red Honda one looks nice Yummi! The dash looks very nice. And clean overall good lines, but it looks to me like it could use some sag dialed in. No biggie.
The Kansas car....... What do you expect it's from Kansas. 8) J/K But are you looking for a project?
Lance, you think the same way I did when I first got into sand. It would seem a Ls is the cheap simple solution, but in the sand it isn't the motor that causes the most trouble it is the trans axle. Also weight is exponentially important. In order to be theoretically bullet proof behind an Ls you need a 10K+ tranny but most people get by with a 7K tranny that if you jump and land in the gas or get rough with the clutch or use reverse could spit chunks at any time with a 3K+ repair bill. Not fun dunning with this always in the back of your mind.
Part of it is because of the brutal torque of the V-8. A blown or turbo motor half the size with much less flyweight and making power at higher rpm is much less likely to damage the tranny while having the same overall performance and using less fuel.
Just my $.02.
Yup, I understand the power comes on gentler in the boosted engine (i.e. clutch drops). The cost of the transaxle is why I don't have one. You guys know me by now and realize that my right foot rules my choices powerplant wise.
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The transaxle cost is the kicker - might just force me back to a smaller turbo car. 091 can be had all day long at 4k and below. 2d - 7k, just the weight of the LS car that really gets to be an issue. I would not mind a 2e /D with an ecotech, but there is some discussion that with the wedlle ring and pinion gear set a 091 is as good, if not a better choice than a 4e and maybe a 2d.
And it is not just the buy in. The LS car is going to chew up cvs, etc due to the torque. To move away from slip they run bigger tires more bite - same 930's - it just goes on and on why a ls car and me is not a good fit - in part the maintenance costs for all the other hoo ha. Buy in is cheap - the maint will kill a season quickly if it is always broken.
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Yup, I understand the power comes on gentler in the boosted engine (i.e. clutch drops). The cost of the transaxle is why I don't have one. You guys know me by now and realize that my right foot rules my choices powerplant wise.
My wallet rules my choices.....
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New red car with Caddy power looks nice as well. :) Is that a pro built chasis? Looks like a very clean package. What do you see as the downside on either of the last two red ones Yummi?
I would take a close look at the 5-link brackets on the first one only because it is a problem area for some builders. Have never heard horror stories about trailing arms so that would be a plus for the caddy powered car. The caddy powered car is setup very similar to Fastcorvairs car. I just don't remember what tranny he runs.
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My wallet rules my choices.....
Unfortunately so does mine :(
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New red car with Caddy power looks nice as well. :) Is that a pro built chasis? Looks like a very clean package. What do you see as the downside on either of the last two red ones Yummi?
I would take a close look at the 5-link brackets on the first one only because it is a problem area for some builders. Have never heard horror stories about trailing arms so that would be a plus for the caddy powered car. The caddy powered car is setup very similar to Fastcorvairs car. I just don't remember what tranny he runs.
Downsdie? Did I mention that I dont like red?
Caddy car is a "sandcars.net" car - they were out of Yuma - closed up a few years back. Have not heard good or bad about them. Dont think they had too many cars out there. They advertised as a budget car (think Tatum as their target with that line.) Pretty simple basic cars in design etc that I can see. They did not push the envelope, just made a sturdy product within the confines of "normal."
Downside on Honda car is one off build. Makes it tough to sell down the road. Second downside on the honda car is 16" - market trend is more more more. Finally on the Honda it is a 5 link - some folks shy away from them. Might again make it hard to sell down the road.
Both have a downside in that department - if I stick with limo, etc there is a builder still out there with jigs. Either of these break an arm - it is all custom work.
Frankly - name cars sell quicker - Tatum and Funco even in this market sell pretty quick. 2nd tier builders not as quick, but they do ok - ie - mosebilt, limo, etc.
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Maybe if you looked at the red from a resale aspect like everything else it would be more palletable. ;D
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I know, I am wrapping my head around red. Chicks dig it. LMAO
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Funny thing is - i like burgundy, ruby, etc - just not fire truck.
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I know, I am wrapping my head around red. Chicks dig it. LMAO
Keep telling yourself that! rofl
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From a straight resale, the sandcars.net would hold it's value better. Less to worry about - re: turbo etc. Looks like what it is - your straight up sand car with not much in the way of frills. Dang thing is in CA. I have to make a weekend of looking at cars in CA sooner or later.
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This one appeals to me......
Selling our long travel sand car. 4 seater. It has a 2.5 liter Subaru motor, with a turbocharger, and intercooler, that puts it at 370hp at 15# boost. The car only weighs #1850 and it really moves. It has long travel Fox shocks with reservoirs. Has a brand new, 1 trip, Mendeola transaxle. It has 5 point restraints, 33" play-cut paddles, step down sand tires in front, power steering, single handle turning brakes, rear discs, removable steering wheel, short throw shifter, and 8 Hella off road lights.
There have been about 6 trips on the motor and I just had the Trans rebuilt, direct from Mendeola. $5500.00. Motor was done by "outback motorsports". It has new clutch, brakes, etc. This car is the real deal. It is the fastest thing you have ever driven. The suspension in amazing. woops and bumps are eaten up. The car also looks beautiful. This car will eat up V-8 cars all day!
I wish I didn`t need to sell it, but we have way too many toys and we are downsizing the sand rail. We are open to some level of negotiation and would consider some trades. Motorcycles, quads etc. as long as the trade works out good for us. We can work with you as much as possible if you need it delivered.
Please call or E-mail with any questions. I have reciepts for the motor and trans. I will be happy to send you any pics that you would like to see.
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It's blue. +
Turbo subie. +
It's clean. +
It's done. +
New transaxle. +
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Somebody in back could hold your beer when you say "Hey watch this". ;D
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It's blue. + +++++
Turbo subie. +
It's clean. +
It's done. +
New transaxle. +
Why did it need a new transaxle. - Good question. Maybe it was just time?
Looks professionally built. +
Don't find any info on Dominant. - They closed up shop. Worried about the shock moiunts in the rear- their newer cars are nice looking - cnat find any bad news on them.
How big is your trailer. - 16' open deck - should work
Somebody in back could hold your beer when you say "Hey watch this". ;D
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That rear shock/bypass mount bothered me to. But it is really well boxed, just not to any stiff points. Looks like the car has been together a while with no problems. IMO, You could remove any doubt by adding one tube. But matching the powder would suck.
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DOn't want to rain on your parade but..................
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..................ya might want to keep looking.IMO.
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But its blue!!
Why? move on Fabr.
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Just personal dislike of it and things like the rear shock towers. It's jus an IMO thingy. I just don't like it. The more I look at it the less I like it. Better cars already looked at.
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Oh!,I like the blue!
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DOn't want to rain on your parade but..................
Ok..... Two tubes and a wing. kick
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Still thinking......
How about something a bit different?
Bought this in Dec and don't have time for it. 2005 CST that has a Ford Cobra 4.6l 3v crate and a c4 trans. Ford rear with Moser axles and Wildwood brakes. Tatum hubs and spindles. Fox bypass and coil overs all around. CNC pedals, Momo wheel, Beard seats, new Crow 5 pts. Strong running piece that looks new. Includes set of sand tires. Detailed and prepped. 29k firm
http://csttruck.shutterfly.com/ (http://csttruck.shutterfly.com/) <<<---- linky to more pictures
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I think those trucks are sweet. I wanted to build one but due to the size of my trailer I had to do a standard style car.
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I like the truck idea, could always have a truggy body made if you like the buggy look. no transaxle to service, no cv joints. looks good from what i saw in the pictures other then its a ford thumb down ;D
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Clean and sweet if the price is right.
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Far cry better than the Safari bus. LMAO
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Clean and sweet if the price is right.
What do you suppose a fair price would be on that? I now what they are turn key from Limo and Mosebilt. I also know what "buggy in a box" is from mosebilt. Like I said, it is how I would build one so I guess the question is - start with that number and start subtracting? Any ideas what is left in way of cost for plumbing, etc. Not real clear if he has fuel pump or ecu yet.
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What do you suppose a fair price would be on that? I now what they are turn key from Limo and Mosebilt. I also know what "buggy in a box" is from mosebilt. Like I said, it is how I would build one so I guess the question is - start with that number and start subtracting? Any ideas what is left in way of cost for plumbing, etc. Not real clear if he has fuel pump or ecu yet.
The plumbing and wiring are where a lot of labor $$ hides. Not really expensive part wise if the ecu is there. If you are going to have someone else do the work, I would see if they would give you a rough quote to finish it...... minus parts, just labor so they aren't thinking about a huge variable.
I don't see any lights on it. Could still have a couple grand left to spend in parts.
Not running I would say it is worth the price of the parts. And there are a lot of parts there, much more that a basic frame and suspension kit. He has done a nice job putting it together, but generally you lose your labor if you don't finish the job.
Or It's worth about 5K less than you could have it built for to that stage, just because you aren't picking every piece, and picking it up with warranty and a handshake from the builder.
Looks like an Aeromotive fuel pump right behind the tank with a filter in each end.
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All depends on how basic/elaborate you wish to go on electrics and plumbing. I'd be surprised if it didn't cost another 5K parts and incidentals for completion to the level that car usually would be.There's likely more than just plumbing /wiring items left yet and yes, the labor whether yours or anothers ,is worth a pretty fair amount also. It all adds up FAST!!!!!!
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Without wireing and plumbing, I assume the engine wont run? So your buying a non running engine? Guarentee?? Its a great looking car, and if the price was right hell yeah bring it to LS.
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yerp, that non running engine has crossed my mind as well.................
Don't think it would be done in time for ls....
I am going to go look at it on Thursday. Will post up better pictures, etc. doubt he will want my offer, but we will see. Offer depends on what sort of parts are required, etc to make it complete. From the look of the pictures, etc there is a laundry list to do.
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Never worry yummi. We'll have a falll LS gathering .
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I will have a car by then - which one is the question......
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Should be able to see Master's car by then too.. kick.
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Should be able to see Master's car by then too.. kick.
PLUHHHHEEEEZZZEEEEEE! I have no skills and even I can learn how to bend, weld, plumb, wire, tinker and make before that occurs. rofl
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It's such a nice car... Everything that is done looks done very well. And I am sure the owner has a pile invested, but can you pay as much for a roller as a complete running car, even if it isn't red? ;D
Reviewing the pictures I don't see a shifter, power steering pump (electric?) or any lights. The worst parts of the plumbing IMO will be the radiator hoses, power steering and brake hoses depending if there were tabs put on for mounting the hoses before powdercoat. It looks like there may be some tabs up front, but I am not sure they are for brake lines. Also don't see a cutting brake.
Are there tabs for light? Pain in the A$$ if there aren't. I know for a clean wiring job some people drill holes and pull the wires through the tubes. Drill during building then leave a piece of welding wire in the frame to pull the wires through after powder. If it's pro built it is probably setup, but nothing ruins a clean car like a bunch of zipties. nono
Good luck and Happy Hunting!
Eta: No front brake calipers.
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It's such a nice car... Everything that is done looks done very well. And I am sure the owner has a pile invested, but can you pay as much for a roller as a complete running car, even if it isn't red? ;D
I will make a list of what it needs and go from there. Like i say - Thursday night.
But, the point re: clean roller vs running car is a good one. Lots of cars out there and i keep coming back to the sandcars.net - 2d, 6cyl (Like the torque) bypass rears, radio, etc for 25k.
That one has been for sale for a bit now - he might be just about ready to come off his 25k ask. Effin RED!
Also, the season is done, prices will drop some more over the summer. etc.
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Today was Thursday. :t :t :t
Is the garage full yet?
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I got tied up - asked if Friday would be cool. He is at NASCAR all weekend. So, nope, not a full garage. Well, not with a car - I really need to get out there and do some cleaning.
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I will make a list of what it needs and go from there. Like i say - Thursday night.
But, the point re: clean roller vs running car is a good one. Lots of cars out there and i keep coming back to the sandcars.net - 2d, 6cyl (Like the torque) bypass rears, radio, etc for 25k.
That one has been for sale for a bit now - he might be just about ready to come off his 25k ask. Effin RED!
Also, the season is done, prices will drop some more over the summer. etc.
Mate if its got pretty much everything you want for good price but it's the wrong colour, haggle him down the cost of a chassis powdercoat job and drop the hammer. Or just buy a half-dozen pressure packs from Sears and get to it? Rattle can paintjob ain't so bad now is it?
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Went and looked at this car today - see pictures.
Couple of things I do not like -
foot containment- needs side panels by the foot area.
Brake lines are routed under the car for about 1/2 way - Why? Easy fix, but weird that would be done that way.
Radiator - it is mounted very low - so as the work around to avoid the pivots at the rear, there is a cross tube running to the other side - odd - not really an issue assuming it draws enough air, but it does heat the fuel, etc....- just odd.
5 1/2" to top of cage from the head before being cinched in.
Pretty clean car all in all, variable boost, new tranny with receipt, (yes faber - that don's - but some folks like the guy besides yours might be fine - it was just ugly) recent tune at local shop with receipt. Guy says he wants more dual sport than pure sand car. Comes with front brakes that need the bracket welded on. Guy is willing to trailer the car to the dunes for test drive, etc (Full day for him)
Add follows: Speak up if you see something weird funky or odd......
Here is the add and lost of pictures.
BEAUTIFUL NEAR NEW 2-SEAT TURBO SUBARU LONGTRAVEL SANDRAIL .
OUTFRONT TURBO SUBARU MOTOR WITH INTERCOOLER. .
NEW (0 TIME ON IT) SAND PRO MAX TRANS BY DON'S WITH ALL THE GOOD PARTS. .
GEAR-ONE BRAKES AND HUBS. .
DOUGLAS BEADLOCKS .
KING SHOCKS .
WING TRUNK .
PADDLES & IMPLEMENT FRONTS. .
CROW 3" 5-POINT HARNESSES. .
FAST ANS FUN .
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I'm gonna beat Fabr to it....
Did I see Don's tranny in there...
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I ain't sayin' crap!
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I ain't sayin' crap!
So it's up to me?
Is it a factory built chassis? Only thing that jumps out at me is the lack of KPI and the large distance between the spindle pivots and the front tire centerline. Steering might wear you out..... Add power steering? Of course some people run similar designs and claim they are fine. It might come down to how aggessively you want to drive and what your expecations are. With the implement fronts and front end design I am guessing the turning performance will be underwelming, but it will probably cruise fine.
BTW, I looked back at the red cars, and both appeared to have attention paid to proper KPI and ribbed fronts for sharper handling.
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I ain't sayin' crap!
ff: bs1 gg:
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I'm kinda leaning towards the truggy one awhile ago....
Usually when you fing stuff in odd and not really a good place it means that the chassis was not well thought out...imoportant stuff like fuel tanks and radiators were an after thought...and added out of neccessity and not designed in...I think I'd run like hell from that one...
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I admit I'm prejudiced.I really really do not like rear engine cars and yes the front suspension is funky also. IMO that is.
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I admit I'm prejudiced.I really really do not like rear engine cars
There is nothing wrong with tail draggers. ;D ;D ;D But every man has a right to his own opinion. 8) 8) 8)
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There is nothing wrong with tail draggers. ;D ;D ;D But every man has a right to his own opinion. 8) 8) 8)
Thats not completely true. The BIGGEST problem with rear engine cars are owner who think that their car wheelies because its got bu-ko horsepower and not because its a teeter-totter with all that weight hanging back there to make it wheelie.
Then all the fools watching who do not know or understand a teeter totter going "OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! That cars got a ton of power!"
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That's not completely true. The BIGGEST problem with rear engine cars are owner who think that their car wheelies because its got bu-ko horsepower and not because its a teeter-totter with all that weight hanging back there to make it wheelie.
Then all the fools watching who do not know or understand a teeter totter going "OOOOOOHHHHHH!!!!! That cars got a ton of power!"
LOL! I agree, pulling a wheelie is all about weigh distribution, but your still have to have some HP to make it happen! My rear engine car weighs 1550lbs wet ,107" wheel base, 2 seater , uses a 200 HP light weigh VW engine and the cockpit is in the center of car. You don't have too have 400 to 800 HP like some cars have. Which is just for bragging rights IMO. I do love pulling wheelie thou... 8) 8) 8)
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Ever seen a clown car at the rodeo? LOL!!!! Tail draggers.Pfft!! LOL! Just effing with ya.
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Ever seen a clown car at the rodeo? LOL!!!! Tail draggers.Pfft!! LOL! Just effing with ya.
Yea I know, LOL!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl