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The Machine Shop => Tools/Tips and Tricks => Topic started by: Carlriddle on March 24, 2015, 05:27:47 AM
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What do you use??
I have a 20 x 40 garage with 4' twin fluorescent fixtures. Most are older ones with old style ballast. Have hard time starting in cold, some buzz, and some only 1 bulb works. I have some of the modern ones too they seem fine. Looking to change out, thought about standard single screw in bulb fixture w/cfl bulb? Cheap fixture, good light. Just looking for other ideas first
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In my shop,the best thing I ever did was to convert to screw in CFL's. I use 300watt equivalent with at least 5000K color temperature. I prefer 6000K tho. Pure white light,very few shadows. I use a place called 1000bulbs,online.
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In my shop,the best thing I ever did was to convert to screw in CFL's. I use 300watt equivalent with at least 5000K color temperature. I prefer 6000K tho. Pure white light,very few shadows. I use a place called 1000bulbs,online.
I saw them your in some of your buggy pics, thats what got me a thinkin.
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They cost approx $30 bux each. Ouch. Best money I've spent though. IIRC,there are 42 of them in my shop. The heat gain from them is almost zero in the summer. With incandescents however ,that would be 42 x 300 watts=12,600 watts of heat added to the shop in the summer just from lighting.Saves a ton on AC. A side benefit of using a high color temp bulb is not feeling as cooped up. Studies have shown that interior light approaching sunlight make people feel more motivated and happy. For years I used conventional 300 watt incandescent bulbs. It was getting to the point I was depressed after an hour or so in the shop and just wanted to go to the house. I just dreaded going to the shop! I remembered reading some studies about lighting in places like Alaska where it is dark for months at a time and people get depressed. Changing the color temperature of the lighting dramatically improved peoples attitudes. Guess what,it is TRUE. I noticed an immediate improvement and was ,all of a sudden,wanting to get back into the shop for hours at a time. Amazing. I HIGHLY recommend going 6000K+ CFL bulbs.
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What about LED ??
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What about LED ??
Definatly put you into "baller" status. CFL are way cheaper for the lumens, I think? LED would be probably forever.
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Carl is correct. I looked into the big LED lights for our new showroom/office. Still too many $$ for fewer lumens than CFL's. I'm a big fan of LED's but they still have a way to go.
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i have the 8' fluorescent type and 5 of them in a 30x30' which at times is kind of bright for myself. now when it is nice out i usually have the door open and i have plenty of windows as well. i have wondered what the led's would be like but the cost to find out seems a little steep.
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I know, I know, old thread...
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/4ft-led-shoplight-shoplight-led/prod16460030.ip (http://www.samsclub.com/sams/4ft-led-shoplight-shoplight-led/prod16460030.ip)
i have 3 of these now and there fantastic...
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I just replaced office lighting today / Went 4' LED. Stupid big difference. $10.00 retrofit works with 80% of ballasts.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132 (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132)
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So maybe I can step into LED baller status! I worked on a few of the 4' light I have (loose ends) t-12. Put in the white light 4000k bulbs. Its better but still have 6 or so I need to get going. Whoever wired the lights in this garage is same one who wads up Chistmas lights after holidays. I may rip out and start over. Damn.
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How do those tubes work for you? Are they much brighter than the originals?... The fixtures i installed are 4200 lumens.
I have been toying with ordering some of those led tubes 2 per would be half the cost of the one i posted.
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Go with the LEDs, cheaper to have on, good light.
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How do those tubes work for you? Are they much brighter than the originals?... The fixtures i installed are 4200 lumens.
I have been toying with ordering some of those led tubes 2 per would be half the cost of the one i posted.
Much much brighter. In my office we could have surgery. We did an experiment in the kitchen with the typical recessed can lights of 60 watts. Had CFL bulbs, they suck. Tried the soft white 4k led bulbs and the bright white 5k bulbs side by side. They 5k bulbs are the bomb for work spaces, etc.
They only caveat is the ballast. Like I say 80% work. If the fixture is older plan on new ballast or fixture.
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I'm putting in 24 led can lights in the new house.
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i have considered led lights and don't see any replacements for my 96" dual shop light fixtures.
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I spent the extra $$$ and got LED bulbs. Glad I did. Espically up here in the cold climates. It has no effect.
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good to know on cold start up
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So I picked up a T-8 4' light and 2 4' LED bulbs. Instant on and bright as sun even at 25*. $40 for the fixture and 2 bulbs. Bulbs wouldn't work in exsisting fixture! Quite happy so far. Will replace as bulbs fail, which looks to be quickly.
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Sams club has them for 35.. I hung 3 so far I'd like 8 more.
http://www.samsclub.com/sams/4ft-led-shoplight-shoplight-led/prod16460030.ip (http://www.samsclub.com/sams/4ft-led-shoplight-shoplight-led/prod16460030.ip)
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i have looked for led bulbs for my 8' ers but very expensive so i will have to try a coulpe 4'ers to see how i like them at this price can't hurt!! ;D
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i have looked for led bulbs for my 8' ers but very expensive so i will have to try a coulpe 4'ers to see how i like them at this price can't hurt!! ;D
if you Don't have a Sam's .. Walmart might have them..
Home depot has a similar one single row 35 watt 4000 lumens for about 38$
For some damn reason led's that hard wire are 180$ vs the nearly identical counterpart with a 110v plug for 30-60$
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if you Don't have a Sam's .. Walmart might have them..
Home depot has a similar one single row 35 watt 4000 lumens for about 38$
For some damn reason led's that hard wire are 180$ vs the nearly identical counterpart with a 110v plug for 30-60$
I bought mine at Home Depot. $20 fixtire (out of white $16 that day)
Fixture http://www.lynxae.co.uk/Products-Bikesports.htm
Bulb http://www.homedepot.com/p/Philips-4-ft-T8-17-Watt-Daylight-Linear-LED-Light-Bulb-456608/206278132
So about same money, but 4200 lumens. Happy with it just need a few more.
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The cfl's I used are 5800 lumens and less than 1/2 the price. I decided against the LEDs for our new showroom/office building due to the fact LEDs are not yet up to par with cfl's. It would have taken a third more fixtures for me to have gotten the same light in the building. Then there's the lux difference. For me,at least for now,cfl's are my choice. Ya,it takes all of 5 minutes for them to come up to full light output. I can live with that . WHEN LEDs come "of age" and are an equal to conventional lighting I'll make the change then.
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Speaking of conventional...... The incandescent is not dead. MIT figured a way to make them more energy efficient than leds. Wonder how quickly this will come to market?
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3055440/all-hail-the-new-incandescent-light-bulb-efficient-as-an-led-bulb (http://www.fastcoexist.com/3055440/all-hail-the-new-incandescent-light-bulb-efficient-as-an-led-bulb)
Purdue is working on a bulb as well.
http://wlfi.com/2016/01/24/purdue-professor-inventing-a-new-incandescent-light-bulb/ (http://wlfi.com/2016/01/24/purdue-professor-inventing-a-new-incandescent-light-bulb/)
Between the mirror and the photon approach, incandescent will be back as the next "big thing."
Still happy with the LED retrofits.
Fabr, LEDS will not "come of age" and be like "conventional" Leds are not full spectrum.
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that first link yummi posted is an interesting read. they have some pretty high hopes and i hope they hit them. i have the florescent 8' tubes in my garage/shop. 5 fixtures ...3 of which are 76 watt dual's and 2 100 watt duals...diff ballasts. i found a seller of the led light to replace mine. $27 each with a life expectancy of 45000 hrs but out of stock of the frosted ones. i have to have the frosted ones otherwise it hurts my eyes and the hardest thing to find is led bulbs for the house that are around 3500k rather than 5000 to 6000k those are waaaaaaay to bright and pure white that also is very annoying! in the shop bright white doesn't bother me especially since it's 10' off the ground.
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Weird, i got rid of "cool white" leds and opted for the 5100's as I like em better. We each like what we like I guess?
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I added up the cost to replace my T8's with the newer LED bulbs. The fixtures are 8' with 4 x 4' bulbs each. With 26 fixtures, 104 bulbs, that would be over $1,000. I think I will have to wait till these all burn out. They will get cheaper as you guys keep buying them, so buy up!
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nice shop mitch and the 8 foot t8 or t12 can be found on ebay for $27 each in led so add that up with your existing 8 footers
yummin.....the 5 to 6k color actually hurt my eyes being snow blinding white. in the shop it's great shining down from a 10 foot ceiling but in the house i can't stand it. it's too bright for me.
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You like Vanilla better than chocolate too? Takes all kinds I suppose? 5:
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DS like the dimmer "mood lighting" inside. ;D
Fabr, the fluorescent you use, is it a standard base or the larger screw in base? I've found the big fluorescent screw in but the fixtures for them are $$$ commercial.
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Standard base. The place I bought mine are apparently phasing out the high wattage cfl's though.
www.1000bulbs.com
They have a lot of lighting options. Might want to check it out for the LEDs .
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So I'm confused why all the commotion about LED bulbs?
I have 8 foot dual bulb fixtures. I think there's 10 of them? Let's just say in a 3 car garage it's BRIGHT. DS won't be coming for a visit LMAO
They seem so not worth it?
You save a bit on the electricity but how much is 26 watts really worth in dollars?
The cost when you factor life expectancy is also in favor of the Fluorescent?
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All the data is taken from Fabr's website he posted.
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i have 5 double 8 foot florescents in a 28' x 28' with a 10' ceiling. 2 of the fixtures are 100watt bulbs and the other 3 are 75 watt i believe. that is borderline too bright at times.
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There is no such thing as too bright in a shop. ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D Anything less than sunlight on a bright day is too little. ;D ;D
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There is no such thing as too bright in a shop. ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D Anything less than sunlight on a bright day is too little. ;D ;D
Yup It's my version of an operating room
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I couldn't agree more ,Lance!!! I have to caution anyone thinking of going the cfl's though,they are rated in initial lumens. They DO lose some as they age. I'd say ,from my experience with about 60 of them ,they lose maybe 25% over their life. AM I right in thinking LEDs maintain full lumen output over their life?
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Speaking of conventional...... The incandescent is not dead. MIT figured a way to make them more energy efficient than leds. Wonder how quickly this will come to market?
http://www.fastcoexist.com/3055440/all-hail-the-new-incandescent-light-bulb-efficient-as-an-led-bulb (http://www.fastcoexist.com/3055440/all-hail-the-new-incandescent-light-bulb-efficient-as-an-led-bulb)
Purdue is working on a bulb as well.
http://wlfi.com/2016/01/24/purdue-professor-inventing-a-new-incandescent-light-bulb/ (http://wlfi.com/2016/01/24/purdue-professor-inventing-a-new-incandescent-light-bulb/)
Between the mirror and the photon approach, incandescent will be back as the next "big thing."
Still happy with the LED retrofits.
Fabr, LEDS will not "come of age" and be like "conventional" Leds are not full spectrum.
This was announced today.
http://gizmodo.com/ge-will-no-longer-make-cfl-lighbulbs-1756344245 (http://gizmodo.com/ge-will-no-longer-make-cfl-lighbulbs-1756344245)
cfl's are on the way out like the dinosaurs.
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Huh. My tin hat side just read that LED bulbs are watching me poop? 5:
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your tin hat is full of poop..................... LMAO ;D ;D
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10 double 8 footers in a 3 stall garage lance!! lol that is bright and 5k on top of that but 60 watt isn't as bright as the 100watt lol that would kill me and up till noon on nice days i just open my overhead and work by the door for natural light lol
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Ok forgot about this, kinda on back burner a bit. But finally did something as I had a welding project to do and its dark when I'm home after work. So this side is about 22x30 inside and I used 24 standard screw in bulb fixtures with 100w(rated equiv) flouresent bulk 6500k. Its so bright I wore sunglasses to cut tube at night. Thought about charging to hang out and tan. Very happy, and have under $150 in what I did. Equiv LED was gonna run another $100, figure in next yr or so those prices will fall and be less.
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Need more light.
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I see you have the mandatory beer fridge in the garage. Good man Mr. Carl !!!!!!!!!!
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is that a heater in the rafter?? i didn't think you needed heat down there lol
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I did the same thing in my 24X36 only with 16 lights. Need to put up more, not bright enough.
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Reversable exhaust fan.
Beer fridge ;D, same as I use in trailer for dune trips.
It is brighter inside than outside with full sun. Maybe the color of light.
I needed the light to finish some ballet racks I'm welding up. Got to get them out so buggy can get back in for winter time mods. giggity
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Ballet racks? Why ,Carl,I had no idea you were into that...................
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Ballet racks? Why ,Carl,I had no idea you were into that...................
I wondered if anyone even read that. LMAO
They are for Candice's dance class.
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I wondered if anyone even read that. LMAO
They are for Candice's dance class.
I had a brief vision of you in a tutu and decide to erase it from my mind. ;D ;D
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It's permanently etched in mine. I had nightmares last night.
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LMAO LMAO rofl rofl
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Nightmares and visions come true!!
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yep beyond disturbing now LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO especially since you like football!!!!!!!!!!!!!