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Title: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 07, 2012, 06:52:42 AM
Toy time $$$$ is tough but I sold my buggy.  While it did get to be a good performing mini I had things I wanted to do different-better-bigger.

So the first step, buggy loaded for last trip to meet up with buyer.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 07, 2012, 06:53:01 AM
Picked up this motor a few weeks back, looking for a Busa but this is close and I snagged it for 1/4 of the price.  Also picked up stole the cluster and header, $100 for both.   ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 07, 2012, 06:53:13 AM
So after the ride with Enemy in his rail I was hooked like a hooker on crack!  DS has hooked me up with unbelievable CAD drawings, that I had to change.  Does anyone build without changeing crap?  So we are a family of three and this rail is going to seat three.  So I made the changes for the extra room.

Going to run f150 outer cv, A-arms all around, RCV inner fixed 930 joint, and hopfully 0 plunge. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 07, 2012, 06:53:23 AM
save
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 07, 2012, 06:57:13 AM
3 saves and you're OUT! LOL!!!!! Whatcha savin'?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 07, 2012, 07:02:37 PM
Cool looks like your making progress. 8) 8) 8)

Since your building a 3 seater, is the driver seat going to be in the middle?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 08, 2012, 05:42:26 AM
Gonna be 3 wide, or maybe its a 2-3/4.  66" wide inside where the passengers sit.  Its US made, so driver on the left.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on February 08, 2012, 06:28:24 AM
Gonna be 3 wide, or maybe its a 2-3/4.  66" wide inside where the passengers sit.  Its US made, so driver on the left.

Carl?
You got other idea's?  Wifey going to set in the middle all the time so you can play feely touchy with her while shifting? thumb down nono
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 08, 2012, 07:33:03 AM
Carl?
You got other idea's?  Wifey going to set in the middle all the time so you can play feely touchy with her while shifting? thumb down nono
Wife might not be the one in the middle.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on February 08, 2012, 09:38:42 AM
Wife might not be the one in the middle.  ;D ;D

Well when you take me and Fab for a ride who gona get the middle? LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 08, 2012, 10:35:19 AM
It ain't a gonna be me!!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 08, 2012, 10:43:21 AM
With 3 people in it it's gonna weigh as much as mine. Better put a hair dryer on it.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 08, 2012, 11:51:07 AM
It ain't a gonna be me!!!!!!

oh come on now fabbr glenn wears deoderant!  LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 08, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
Everyone can take turns, nothing like the 3rd wheel on a date.  Just no secluded night runs thru trails, OK.   LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO

Shooting for 1000lb w/o the threesom.  We'll see no $$$$ for the hairdryer to start with, but.............................. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 08, 2012, 06:42:58 PM
Where's your sense of night time adventure? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandracer1 on February 08, 2012, 07:39:43 PM
Carl, it sounds like you better make that drivers seat a recliner. rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 08, 2012, 09:08:16 PM
Where's your sense of night time adventure? ;D ;D ;D

so your the first to sign up for a threesome night ride eh!!  rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 09, 2012, 06:49:45 PM
 :c :c :c :c LMAO LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 13, 2012, 05:47:18 PM
Tried to edit my saved post but.............. damn thing!!!!

So I've got 90% of the parts ordered, most have not arrived  thumb down.  So I'm cleaning up  thumb down and I hate that.  I'm using A-arms in rear with non-plunge cv's so I need the rest of rear parts to make sure on the ###.  F150 outer cv RCV fixed non-plunge inner 28" axles.  Fox air shocks, rear center drive, axles, steer rack, tires & wheels, and and a crap load of heims and bungs hopfully be here by weekend.  Well most of it anyhow. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 13, 2012, 06:12:25 PM
You're gonna be REALLY glad you went with the non plunge stuff. I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Voodoochikin04 on February 14, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
are you using plans for the frame carl? or winging it?  ive been considering, trying to get rid of mine, to build something bigger.  i love how its coming so far!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 15, 2012, 06:09:08 AM
Its about 80% DSrace's design.  I changed some of the ##'s to make the width work out.  I spent about 10 hrs on the phone with him, asking about angles and confirming lengths.  Then drew it up in CAD.  He don't do any drawings, only a sketch that was drawn with his foot.  rofl rofl rofl

I'll owe him a big bottle of Jack, might p/u from distillery since its not too far.  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 15, 2012, 06:34:32 AM
Bottle or keg???????............................ ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 15, 2012, 06:48:59 AM
If Shane and I help, better get the barrel.  rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on February 15, 2012, 07:09:22 AM
Looks like you are off to a great build.

I mounted my floor on the underside of the floor frame.  Just curious as to any advantages/disadvantages of mounting on the topside of the floor frame?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 15, 2012, 07:20:55 AM
Looks like you are off to a great build.

I mounted my floor on the underside of the floor frame.  Just curious as to any advantages/disadvantages of mounting on the topside of the floor frame?  Just curious.

??? It sits at bottom of tubes, but tabs are under it.  I guess if I loose all the bolts I'd still have the tabs to hold up floor.  Little cleaner looking as tabs are "hidden". 

This weekend should be good, if the snow doesn't slow down delivery of goods.  ;D  Hoping for this to be a roller in a few weeks.  And should make the spring trip, as long as its a late May, early June.  ;)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on February 15, 2012, 09:47:19 AM
I see now.  At 1st I thought the floor was on top of the tubes.  There are some that do put the floor on top, just not sure other that looks inside the passenger area why. 

I really like the shape of the front end.  The back end of my buggy tapers similar to yours.  I am using a V8 engine and I am not sure I want to try and put a wing on or not.  To do a wing it will have to overhang the sides.  Not a big deal just not sure it would look good or not.  My buddy is building one and he made the back end more square and it looks pretty good.

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Thanks for the reply, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Nutz4sand on February 15, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
The floor on the bottom of the tubes makes for a better skid pan as the flat surface down low is better. Less catching of the frmae on the ground and stuff.

But these lower floors often contain and hold sand or mud etc in between the tubes.

So others put the floor above the tubes as it looks nicer on top and sand tends to flow off as its not trapped by the tubes.

But then if you bottom out the tubes hit and hang up. Much easier to damage a tube of the frame like this.

Down low flooring with holes in places (corners) to let sand/mud out or metal grating even   
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on February 15, 2012, 09:59:24 AM
My thoughts exactly.  I left space down each side of the floor to make it easier to remove the sand.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 15, 2012, 10:16:36 AM
I left 1/8" gap between frame and floor. Even then you can trap a lot of sand.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 15, 2012, 10:28:09 AM
Fabr, with all that fiberglass how do you get sand in there?  Does it fall from the sky?   LMAO LMAO

The alum sheet was only 60" wide and the part at back measures 62" so I've got a little triangle area thats 1" wide and 2" long on the outsides.   Once I get the pedals and seats in I may pop a couple more 1" holes.  Be lighter that way too.  I will prob do side panels for this one as that is where most of the crap seemed to come in at.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 15, 2012, 10:39:57 AM
If Shane and I help, better get the barrel.  rofl rofl rofl
YES!!! ;D  rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 15, 2012, 01:04:12 PM
Gee,CARL,I don't have any idea how the sand gets in............................................ Sarcasm ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 15, 2012, 11:55:50 PM
I'm so glad I got that on video. rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 18, 2012, 07:37:21 PM
Brown elf came by Fri;

Alum sprocket,

930 center drive, check out the 3/4" wall tube  May send it for some Jenny Craig.

Nice sent of Jamar pedals, 2nd owner  ;)

Plenty of cool, picked up from Enemy.

Lots of bungs, heims, and miss spacers.  Lots!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 18, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
more
16" stroke Fox air shock, 12" B/O til next week

Front suspension cradle, thanks DS

Combo spindles
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 21, 2012, 06:07:20 AM
Moving right a long, was hoping for a roller in a couple weeks, but I have an interference coming up.  thumb down
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on February 21, 2012, 07:58:03 AM
Looking great! Those seats fit very nicely. Beer Cup holders and storage built in to the center console? What are those out of?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 21, 2012, 11:30:57 AM
No cupholders,  thumb down, but does have storage for cd's.  ;D 2000 dodge truck.  I'm thinking the one in the middle seat can hold my beer beverage during a watch this moment.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 22, 2012, 05:18:34 AM
Its looking nice Carl. Enemy's right the bench seat fits like a glove. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Engineer on February 23, 2012, 02:18:24 PM
Moving right a long, was hoping for a roller in a couple weeks, but I have an interference coming up.  thumb down

Man that looks great Carl!

That seat is a great idea for 3 people.  Where is the shifter gonna be?  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 23, 2012, 04:35:23 PM
3 on the tree? ;D ;D ;D gonna need2 trees................................ ;) ;) Looking great Carl.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 23, 2012, 07:08:25 PM
Shifter between driver and middle.  Should be able to catch a feel between each shift.   ;D 

Really hoping to have it ready for a spring trip, got a 2-3 wk delay going on now.  90 % of stuff is on hand, just need some time. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on February 25, 2012, 09:11:04 AM
Looking good Carl.  I must be the slowest builder on here!  Too many hobbies!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 25, 2012, 12:24:35 PM
Naw,I have the official slowest builder on earth title i fear for the same reason you have.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 28, 2012, 07:04:13 AM
Well I've had some build delays, some bad storms and tornadoes last week.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 28, 2012, 07:11:16 AM
And the ultimate delay, were moving.  So buggy gone to a new shop, and man I gots lots of shit.  Took a beating on the house, but hoping to pick up another for a steal.  Were excited!!

Hope to be back at it in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on February 28, 2012, 07:27:15 AM
So....You took a beating on the house from the tornadoes??? Damn, I hope everything is ok as far as that goes..

Looks like you have a couple more square feet to work in! VERY NICE!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 28, 2012, 07:32:20 AM
No tornadoes were about 1-1/2 miles away.  Took beatin on $$$$$$.00
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on February 28, 2012, 07:35:41 AM
No tornadoes were about 1-1/2 miles away.  Took beatin on $$$$$$.00

Well shit, that's the "All new and improved American Dream"... isn't it??
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on February 28, 2012, 07:38:32 AM
Damn, if that's your new shop congratulations!  Looks like your making good progress on the buggy.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on February 28, 2012, 06:00:16 PM
What size are those new paddle tires?

They look like there 13.00



Nice shop Carl! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 29, 2012, 05:26:25 AM
1100 paddles, 29-30" tall.  6.75 5 ribs for front, about 28" tall.

Shop is where I work, 15,000' warehouse plus another 5000' of office.  Gotta put up a few more lights in that area, but the forklifts and heavy equipment should make lowering and removing engine easier.  ;D  Sucks not having your build at home where you can go kcik on it for an hour or two in the evening, also sucks having it where you work, where you "shouldn't" be working on it during business hours. 

Wait, I wonder if they will pay me to build this thing, I might actually come out ahead????  LMAO LMAO LMAO  Have been plaing with front shock placement when it was slow.  ;)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 29, 2012, 07:29:02 AM
WHy ya moving? You going to get a bigger shop with new place?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 29, 2012, 08:33:46 AM
You going to get a bigger shop with new place?

If not I'm not moving in.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 29, 2012, 09:32:09 AM
Already have a place in mind?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 29, 2012, 01:09:08 PM
Heard there's a guy in coffeyville KS with on he'll of a shop and he had some room.  But I'd need a job and a place to empty the shitter.  LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 29, 2012, 01:23:16 PM
Well,if you can work for c'ville wages we can talk. I need a good ,reliable, "treat it as if you own it" assistant manager . Never laid off an employee in over 40 years of family ownership. How's that for steady employment???????
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on March 29, 2012, 08:33:31 AM
 ff: Still gathering more parts, not much photo worth yet!  And trying to find the rest that I moved while I sort it out.  Little R&R this weekend and maybe my cv's from RCV will be here next week. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on March 29, 2012, 08:48:36 AM
Hint:Call RCV regularly for updates. IF you don't get them when expected,talk to Kraig directly.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 29, 2012, 03:10:26 PM
I personally haven't had any problems with them, yet , but if I were you, I would call daily. when they answer, don't give them a name just simply say where the fook are my fooking parts today fookhead, then you might get the manager or owner, on one of the next few calls!  LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on March 29, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
Suppose to have been heat treated last week assembled And ship this week. By next week fookers might start hearing my banjo music.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on March 29, 2012, 06:20:59 PM
Did Kraig say that or Sean?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 30, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
Suppose to have been heat treated last week assembled And ship this week. By next week fookers might start hearing my banjo music.

ya tell him or else you'll pull a ned batey on him!  LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 30, 2012, 10:26:01 AM
Did Kraig say that or Sean?

I think sean might just be a yes man.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on March 30, 2012, 01:32:25 PM
Kraig is production.Sean is product development. Kraig rules production. He'll tell it to ya straight.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: pipelayer on March 30, 2012, 08:27:57 PM
shit Carl that sucks counting on other people when they cant be counted on. It was like that is the rock racing and before that for jeep fab, those shops that went out of business because of bad practices just made people like me want to be able to do it myself. In the end it hurt the good shops and hurt my brain cells. :swig:
I hope you get your shit man.

Brian
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on March 30, 2012, 09:06:10 PM
After a brief conversation they shipped today. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on March 31, 2012, 07:45:08 AM
That very good to hear. I didn't mean ,in any way, to dog RCV. RCV is a very good company. I just had a long wait with repeated delays for some items and know how things go sometimes. I will always have RCV at the top of my list of driveline components. Carl,you will be quite impressed with the quality of those non plunge 930 CV's.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 03, 2012, 02:25:47 PM
X-mas in April.  ;D ;D  Should have all the steering stuff to finish that off, and got the RCV cv's.  6 wk delivery and that not the longest I've heard.  I didn't order a spare but if lead times are like that I believe I will. 

On the RCV cv's on side of the star has a tapered part on splines other is flat.  Any pro/con to direction?  The star is off center maybe 3/16(taper side recessed)  As for angle doesn't matter f150 max out 1st.  I'm sure the taper was for snap in axle clip, but won't matter with bolt on application.

And my gift from Candice from her trip.  She had a blast.  Dont want to know what it cost.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on April 03, 2012, 07:44:45 PM
I like the cup. That means those new york's are only half there!!!! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 03, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
Flat shoulder would normally go towards c clip.That's how I run mine.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 05, 2012, 08:02:44 AM
After a little testing, similar to Engineeer's, trying to find pivot center of f150 cv using intrepid hub.  Same as using ford hub, 3.375" hub flange mount face to pivot of cv.   The fixed rvc cv seems to pivot in the center of unit.  So now I can finish design work on rear wheel uprights and the lower rear frame.  Because of the non plunge setup of these cv's, good enough wasn't close enough. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 05, 2012, 03:26:13 PM
nice looking steering wheel... so is the rail going to be blue? the splines on the axle will handle a little plunge but the closer the better is right!!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 05, 2012, 04:35:25 PM
Blue?  Im still buildin got no idea on color. But I liked the blue.  And the wheel was a steel just got to make an adapter to the hub.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 06, 2012, 07:25:42 AM
just wondered cause the wheel was blue. what did that wheel cost ya?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 06, 2012, 02:46:59 PM
just wondered cause the wheel was blue. what did that wheel cost ya?
     :-X :-X :-X About $30 shipped.
My inspiration;

Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 06, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
and if they are out of that do you go for shlitz!!  LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 06, 2012, 03:34:19 PM
I do like the wheel though
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on April 09, 2012, 06:29:15 PM
You got to be desperate to drink Schlitz! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 16, 2012, 06:22:31 AM
I'd quit drinking, before the shlitz!  ;D  I'm prepared especially for the dunes.   rofl rofl

Did get some stuff done buggywise, but havnt found my camera yet.  So pic are from phone and not as good.  Had to get a piece of 1-1/2 tube for the dash bar.  So the clamp on steering shaft housing would work.  Steering all done, and that allowed me to finish bracing up the A-arm cradle in front.  Thinking another brace tube up there, still studying..... 
So moved on to the lower shock mounts.  Really wanted to mount shocks to outside or under the hood.  Outside causes the shock to go regressive, so  thumb down.  Under the hood with a small hoop for tower.
Also made up one of my rear carrier's.  P/u a plate from Livewire for intrepid hubs, wow that part was easy.  The rest was, printed cad drawing on paper and torch cut/grinder cut cleaned up to lines and welded.  4 heims on hub 5 heims on frame.  Just need to copy to other side.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: CrazyFastFab on April 16, 2012, 07:57:07 PM
Nice build, keep the pictures coming.  I need to start a thread of my own.  Right now I am still collecting parts. 

What size hiems and tubing are you going to go with for the rear A Arms?

Thanks,
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 17, 2012, 05:25:08 AM
5/8 chromo heims, 1-1/4 .120 tube for lower arms.  Upper arms and bracing 1-1/4 .095.  Also using some 1" .095 for bracing, but prob not in arms.

Since I have to move my front upper shock mounts to inside of frame.   kick  And since I FULLY welded looks like I need to remake that lower arm.  Need to move lower mount outward to reduce ratio since shock will be leaned in.  30" wheel travel with the frame smacking the ground at 28" sounds painfull.

Tack Tack Tack.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 19, 2012, 03:25:51 PM
if you go inside the frame try setting the shock on top of the a-arms and see where that goes.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 19, 2012, 05:47:09 PM
Inside cause tooooo much travel because of shock angle.  To get it in far enough to not smack the frame on compression,  I was still in the 28-30 range.  Wish I'd gone with 10" strokers.  Thought I'd never say I had too much stroke.  ;D  Found camera, will get some more pics sat.  Will finish front end, seats, steering, and hopefully get rear tacked in.   drowning drowning

Man cant believe I'm missing spring sand.  thumb down
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 19, 2012, 09:07:27 PM
Inside cause tooooo much travel because of shock angle.  To get it in far enough to not smack the frame on compression,  I was still in the 28-30 range.  Wish I'd gone with 10" strokers.  Thought I'd never say I had too much stroke.  ;D  Found camera, will get some more pics sat.  Will finish front end, seats, steering, and hopefully get rear tacked in.   drowning drowning

Man cant believe I'm missing spring sand.  thumb down
DO IT NOW. If you don't you'll regret it later. ;)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 19, 2012, 09:08:45 PM
BTW,the sand will still be there in the fall. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 20, 2012, 07:22:43 AM
if you set the shock on top of the a-arm all the way down as close to the wheel as you can then stand it up out side of the chassis, what do you get at that point?

I saw on the LS wall page that someone had there polaris rzr stolen just recently!!   wow they are moving up to larger toys down there, hope they don't get caught by someone packing!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 20, 2012, 07:25:25 AM
EFFIN thieves.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 20, 2012, 08:09:31 AM
had to go back and look, looks like oct 14th but he recently posted it.   ya effin theives is right!! but damn a rzr isn't exactly an easy thing to steal or push a way by 1 w/o a trailer imo.  must be a chop shop not too far away or something.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 20, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
So you sayin these crazy duner folks that drink and tell lies might have guns?   rofl 
You'd have to have some big balls to steal something.  Getting shot would be the easy way out.   ;)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 20, 2012, 10:51:03 AM
Gonna apply the Zimmerman Rule if they are caught.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 20, 2012, 11:00:21 AM
Gonna apply the Zimmerman Rule if they are caught.

ok I gotta ask what the zimmerman rule is? lol I haven't heard this one before.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 20, 2012, 12:03:24 PM
ok I gotta ask what the zimmerman rule is? lol I haven't heard this one before.

Get out from under the rock.  kick 

The neighborhood watch guy that shot the teen in central fla.  Guy claimed self defense, "stand your ground" in fla says you dont have to run.  He has been found guilty in the media court, but I dont think he will be found guilty in court of law.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Nutz4sand on April 20, 2012, 12:16:08 PM
 


The neighborhood watch guy that shot the teen in central fla.  Guy claimed self defense, "stand your ground" in fla says you dont have to run.  He has been found guilty in the media court, but I dont think he will be found guilty in court of law.

I am thinking he is gonna burn for it. He was told to NOT go after the guy by the 911 operator and he still followed. THEN he got out of his truck and went after the teen TOO. The teen was just walking down the sidewalk.

Even if he does not go to jail I bet somone takes him out. His life is over. Witness protection will fail on him I get a feeling. If he does go into jail it will be solitary. Genral population would use him up and spit him into a coffin in short order.


Buggy is looking great.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Nutz4sand on April 20, 2012, 12:27:08 PM
I could also see someone stealing a Razor pretty easy. Once out of site you load it into a little enclosed trailer and drive off like you own it and the only ones who might suspect you would be the ones you took it from.

Even driving away from the actual stealing site would not draw much attention if you played it cool. If the owners go for just an hour luch a thief could have a good lead on them. 


I aint been to Glamis in years (gotta change that) but when I was they were talking about guys stealing older quads and three wheelers that had no keys like most used to not have.

It was said they caught one guy who hopped on an old Honda 250r three wheeler and he took off like a bat out of hell.

But a cable was attached to the trailer tounge and the three wheelers rear axle and after 15 feet the machine stopped.

Bent handle bars and a crook who could not walk away were the result.

Sadley California does not have the stand your ground law or the castle law. Gotta bury your crooks in the sand out there.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=stand+your+ground+states&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1197&bih=853&tbm=isch&tbnid=0StWRu3gLTtGtM:&imgrefurl=http://redensign.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/castle-law-stand-your-ground-2/&docid=8cGWXv_aRPrdvM&imgurl=http://redensign.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/castle-doctrine-and-stand-your-ground3.jpg&w=600&h=450&ei=cf1rT76cDuWD0QHpi9n_Bg&zoom=1 (http://www.google.com/imgres?q=stand+your+ground+states&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1197&bih=853&tbm=isch&tbnid=0StWRu3gLTtGtM:&imgrefurl=http://redensign.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/castle-law-stand-your-ground-2/&docid=8cGWXv_aRPrdvM&imgurl=http://redensign.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/castle-doctrine-and-stand-your-ground3.jpg&w=600&h=450&ei=cf1rT76cDuWD0QHpi9n_Bg&zoom=1)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 20, 2012, 02:58:45 PM
Get out from under the rock.  kick 

The neighborhood watch guy that shot the teen in central fla.  Guy claimed self defense, "stand your ground" in fla says you dont have to run.  He has been found guilty in the media court, but I dont think he will be found guilty in court of law.

I am familiar with that case but thought he was talking about something else.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 20, 2012, 04:16:56 PM
Anyone listen to the bond hearing for Zimmerman today? I did.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Engineer on April 20, 2012, 09:11:06 PM
Anyone listen to the bond hearing for Zimmerman today? I did.

I missed it, what happened?

I think that they overcharged with 2nd degree murder and he will easily get off.

The only question is how bad will the riots be afterwards.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 20, 2012, 10:00:56 PM
I missed it, what happened?

I think that they overcharged with 2nd degree murder and he will easily get off.

The only question is how bad will the riots be afterwards.
yup
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on April 20, 2012, 10:58:27 PM
Dear "Sewer Stream Media", America doesn't want your new race war..
That's about all I gotta say about that..

Front end is lookin sweet Carl! Happy you found that camera! More pics please!!
 ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 22, 2012, 07:47:09 AM
They might get him to plea down to a manslaughter, or inv manslaughter, but probably still riot on that.  Already covicted in media court, and looking for a tree to hang him. 

Now back to buggies.  ;D

Really wanted these shocks to go under hood, but funtion has to out weigh form sometimes.  If I dont get it done I wont need a hoody,  rofl.  Bad reference.  But seat mounted, steering all done except for an adapter for the auto wheel to buggy disconnect.  Shocks mounted and tied in, A-arms done.  Now I can move to the rear end.That should be a real adventure.  drowning kick drowning.

And a motivational pic Candice and I took last spring.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on April 22, 2012, 03:45:36 PM
Looks good Carl.

But man you need to get some jack stands under the front end of the cage. :o :o :o
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 22, 2012, 07:03:54 PM
Looks good Carl.

But man you need to get some jack stands under the front end of the cage. :o :o :o

Concrete blocks hold up a house, there holding the front.  Spindles are just hanging, no weight on them. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on April 23, 2012, 12:49:25 PM
Concrete blocks hold up a house, there holding the front.  Spindles are just hanging, no weight on them.

Belts are on the way for this new build Carl. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: LiveWire on April 25, 2012, 12:34:07 PM
Here is what I am thinking on the adapters.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 04, 2012, 05:05:09 AM
I've got one side of rear suspension tacked in place.  No binding  ;D and I cant see that the axle plunges any so cant be much.  Looking for ideas on bracing for rear arms, I've looked thru many builds and have some ideas, but.....
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on June 12, 2012, 07:13:23 PM
Any updates on the build?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 12, 2012, 08:25:07 PM
I do have the rear suspension and hubs built.  Picked up some more hardware today to bolt in hubs and cv's.  Also mounted radiator.  Ordered some alum sheet for fuel sump and airbox.  Hope to take the alum to be welded next week.  See if I can throw some pics up for you'll.

Out of town for a few days, gotta thank the wife for putting up with me for 16 yrs.  Damn time flies.  Happy wife=more buggy time. ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 13, 2012, 05:59:29 PM
Updates  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on June 13, 2012, 06:27:06 PM
looking good!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on June 13, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
Plus that!! Looking really good!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on June 13, 2012, 06:56:12 PM
I hear the VROOM VROOM sounds getting closer! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on June 13, 2012, 07:45:44 PM
vroom,vroom,VROOM!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on June 13, 2012, 08:17:29 PM
is   that what a engine sounds like ithouhgt was just the voices in  my head
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 14, 2012, 05:38:42 AM
Deano hears voice's, prob just the meds.  Hope your doing well bud, and you get back out there with us soon. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on June 14, 2012, 07:15:41 AM
Weren't the voices there BEFORE the meds???????  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on June 14, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Yep! Just like the rest of us. ;D LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on June 15, 2012, 06:49:15 AM
What? You too?!??!!!!! All this time I thought it was jus deano and me.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 17, 2012, 07:00:36 AM
Had a little voice tell me, more pics, more pics.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 17, 2012, 07:09:24 AM
Thinking on upper shock mount??  More brace??
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Lance-W on June 17, 2012, 08:46:18 AM
I think the vertical load is ok but you need to do something to keep it from twisting the tube that you are putting the load into.....  See the crude sketch below :)

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Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Lance-W on June 17, 2012, 08:49:04 AM
Like maybe where I drew the blue line?  Hard to tell without standing there and seeing it in 3D

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Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 17, 2012, 09:50:05 AM
Lance that would work, also down to outside tube.  I knew it need something else, and up to roof might make motor a perm mount.  I think I'll go stare a bit at see what the voices say. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Scooter on June 17, 2012, 01:09:14 PM
Carl,  Does both the spring force and shock force transfer through that mount?

If the spring and shock forces are in the same plane you should be good to go with the double sheer mount, but if it is out of plane, as Lance is elluding to, then you may want to add some reinforcement.  Perhaps just some gusseting at the mount intersections would be sufficient?

2 cents
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 17, 2012, 03:52:43 PM
I'm either going to run a tube straight forward or back to outside frame rail.  I looked at both ways but will wait for a few other items to decide which one.   Will build airbox this week and it might be too close to rad since I had to lift engine to get exhaust to run under.  Need some oval exhaust tube to go thru frame. Hummmm to Internet I go.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 26, 2012, 06:26:09 PM
While studing shock mount, I had to twist lower mount to stay within shock heim.  Cycled rear susp, all is good.  Made a few tabs to mount middle seat, just nothing photo worthy.

Then UPS stopped by, woohoo my new wing trunk.  But It was too big, so I had to cut it down and will have a couple new bends placed before having it welded.  Pics then.  Ds was pretty sure I could get 30 beers, 1000' of tow rope, a shovel, and a floor jack.  now I'm down to 100' strap and a 18pk, so BYOB.  ;D  Also got plates for new airbox, and have sump welded on my old alum tank.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on June 28, 2012, 01:54:35 PM
Made new airbox.  Filter from mid-70's datson 240.  But I've lost one of my stacks.  bs1  Also moved the rad back and down a bit.  Much happier with this location.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on July 02, 2012, 09:02:54 PM
Looks good! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on July 05, 2012, 09:45:37 AM
Working out my final gearing.  And since anything smaller than the 15T zx12 sprocket is like finding Jimmy Hoffa, I've found a machine shop to cut some up.  The zx gearing internally is taller than some of the other sport bikes, I'm thinking a 12T front will get me close.  Chart bottom right compares it to busa.  Thought?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on July 05, 2012, 11:26:13 AM
Trouble with busa tranny's is they are too close ratio from 2nd up with a big step from 1 to 2. Further ,first is wayyyyy too fricken high to start with. Of course ,my buggy is 1800# approx without passengers. Lighter buggies may not need a lower first for taking off easily on slopes. 5th and 6th are way,way,way too low also. Maintaining any decent road speed should not require 8K + rpm. No need but unless willing to spend$$$$ we are stuck with it.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on July 05, 2012, 11:30:52 AM
looking good
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on July 05, 2012, 12:37:53 PM
And the zx is 10% higher in 1st.  Going to try the 12T and then have a 13T made too after I see how it does.  Probably some spares as I'm concerned with how durable they'll be.  Be happy with a yr+. 
Next option will be a new rear and the common 14-15T fr. 

Thanks DS.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on July 05, 2012, 01:40:52 PM
And the zx is 10% higher in 1st.  Going to try the 12T and then have a 13T made too after I see how it does.  Probably some spares as I'm concerned with how durable they'll be.  Be happy with a yr+. 
Next option will be a new rear and the common 14-15T fr. 

Thanks DS.
thumb down thumb down
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on July 05, 2012, 07:43:54 PM
i wouldn't be surprised if you get 2 years out of the 12t but that's still a tight bend so as long as your chain is long with that big rear sprocket you should be ok on chain heat.  the rpm would be nice but for the money i would be going fabbers direction in the future.  looking good carl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on July 05, 2012, 09:03:38 PM
I'm pretty confident that my 091  and adapter ,as it is now, is nearly bullet proof.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on July 06, 2012, 05:34:41 PM
oh i would have to second that especially on a lighter rail!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on July 06, 2012, 06:14:42 PM
I'm not opposed to taking the sawzall to the entire rear end, but I got a trailer to mod too before the fall.   drowning kick drowning 

Plus I need a little more power to see if I can really keep in front of ya after the ROOOST.  We'll try to test you a tad more, cant wait.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on July 06, 2012, 07:23:18 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on July 06, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
You're lucky new buggy won't be done by then................................................look out next spring though!!!!!!!! You won't have a prayer my friend.  ;D ;D ;D rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl  Can you say sand sunami?  ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on July 31, 2012, 08:28:46 AM
I'm still knocking away at buggy.  Not much photo worthy about tearing it apart to finish weld, add a bunch of tabs, and got it into some primer.  When I get some paint on I'll shoot some more pics.  Got some more goodies outsourced, but they're slow.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 12, 2012, 06:57:10 AM
After 4 trips around the frame I think the frame is finally fully welded.  Cleaned up tubes with xylene then sanded for the self etching primer!  Finally yest got the paint sprayed.  jj:  Silver hammertone.  Very happy with way it turned out!  Best part only $15/qt.  Had to but 2.  Gonna get this thing reassembled in the next week, so I can get it wired and plumbed.  I really need 1 test drive before the sand.  drowning
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on August 12, 2012, 08:00:11 AM
Looking sweet Carl.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on August 12, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
i have to say master has said it right 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 13, 2012, 01:21:23 PM
Thanks!!  Pic of the second color.  Blue tinted clear over the silver hammertone.  Will be front spindles, rear uprights, and  part of side panels.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on August 15, 2012, 08:04:55 PM
SWEET!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on August 22, 2012, 01:25:40 PM
How's the reassembling going Carl?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 22, 2012, 06:21:21 PM
Front end all back together even tires and wheels. Never had wheels on it and they look good. Floor in and got motor in today before delivery guy went home. Lol. Should make good progress tomm eve and ill shoot some pics.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on August 22, 2012, 08:25:18 PM
Thanks!!  Pic of the second color.  Blue tinted clear over the silver hammertone.  Will be front spindles, rear uprights, and  part of side panels.
Same color as the BBQ buggy was. You will love it!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 23, 2012, 05:48:00 AM
Same color as the BBQ buggy was. You will love it!!!!!
Thanks, BBQ?   bs1 thumb down bs1  At $100 inc the primer, paint looks great and will get me over the "redo" curve.  And can touch up with spray gun, rattlecan or even a brush.  Gonna grab some $1 tacos and margaritas before wife school then I'll get back on it this eve.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on August 23, 2012, 07:50:05 AM
Same color as the BBQ buggy BEFORE it was BBQ'd that is!!! LOL!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 23, 2012, 07:20:28 PM
Few updates on the reassembly.  I gotta get a better camera, some of the pics are not so good.  Cant be my fault.  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on August 23, 2012, 07:22:39 PM
Cool. ;D ;D ;D

How much wheel travel are you looking to have?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on August 23, 2012, 07:32:37 PM
24" with 3" ground clearance fully compressed.  Wife already said damn why's it so tall.   rofl  Prob need some running board steps.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on August 24, 2012, 07:03:39 AM
looking good carter!!  LMAO LMAO LMAO

when You get it done you need to take a pic of it on the trailer and then put a pic of the old and the new side by side  ;D  carl I think your going to love this one!!  I have owned several now and have the designer now a few time  rofl rofl rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 06, 2012, 06:58:37 AM
hope the wiring goes easy and quick!!  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 08, 2012, 07:45:22 PM
So I quit doing and spending $$$ til this eve.  It runs!  It runs!  It runs!

Now to find Peter so he can pay Paul for the few other items I need to get r done!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 12, 2012, 01:55:10 PM
Had to knock out a honey do item so be back at it tonight. Finish plumbing rad mount fan run throttle cable.

Gotta get a stand alone throttle pedal and wheel adapter for the paddles if anyone has one around post up quick. Gotta get in day or two.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on September 12, 2012, 03:35:46 PM
Had to knock out a honey do item so be back at it tonight. Finish plumbing rad mount fan run throttle cable.

Gotta get a stand alone throttle pedal and wheel adapter for the paddles if anyone has one around post up quick. Gotta get in day or two.

Let me check when I get home tonight on the pedal.  I should have a ten dollar one hanging on the wall. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on September 12, 2012, 07:07:45 PM
Work,don't need sleep,run on adrenaline,gotta get it done....................................BTDT,almost takes thefun out of it.This will be the first time I have nothing to do to get ready UNLESS I screw it up Saturday. Taking a day trip with a buddy that never been to the dunes. I think I'll pack a box of Depends just in case.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on September 13, 2012, 03:22:45 PM
is there a caring side to you or do not want a mess in the seat  rofl rofl 8)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on September 13, 2012, 06:45:28 PM
I just know who would draw clean up duty..........................
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 14, 2012, 05:47:21 AM
I just know who would draw clean up duty..........................
One with the brown mark of course. Dont forget to tell them 1st timer rule:quit grinnin with mouth open.  Or dont.  rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 14, 2012, 07:02:08 AM
if your taking a newbe for a ride make sure and tell him about your black out spells and that he might have to grab the wheel and take over from time to time cause i atleast tell my riders that I am night blind so if they see a tree don't wait yell now   LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO




Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 14, 2012, 07:03:03 AM
carl any pics of it on it's wheels?

and no mine isn't on it's wheels yet, well not all 4 anyways  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: trans man on September 16, 2012, 08:01:00 PM
It runs!  It runs!  It runs!
Glad to hear. Now get done in time for the trip! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 17, 2012, 01:29:49 PM
Gas pedal, cluch slave cylinder, intake boots, brake caliper, pads, fan temp switch, wheel adapters(paddles) all shipped today.  See I should have 2-3 days before trip.  rofl drowning rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on September 17, 2012, 06:47:39 PM
Congrats on bringing it to life!

I have heard that another build has fired off as well....  ;D  :-X

Damn, ya'll know how to take it down to the wire, don't ya!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on October 07, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
i was surprised to see those steel wheel adaptors bend like that but now after talking to transman he has seen several break and/or bend on vw's. going to have to beef those up. lol  that is and will be one hell of a motor..........nice work!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on October 08, 2012, 06:56:39 AM
Thanks!  It wasn't too bad considering first actual drive was down dunes access road to Dueces.  rofl drowning rofl  Driving half way across USA working for a day to take first ride is not the way to do it.

But my list of fixes, upgrades;
Brace frame under floor better for big ass feet.  rofl
Move rad up 6-8" for better cooling.  Ran a little hot after hard fast runs.
Fix cv/boot
Finish exhaust
Tune motor
Few more brace tubes in frame
Do something else for wheel adapters/wheels

Also get my butt in gear on trailer, although using it empty gave us a better idea of what we need and want.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on October 08, 2012, 07:16:01 PM
Thanks!  It wasn't too bad considering first actual drive was down dunes access road to Dueces.  rofl drowning rofl  Driving half way across USA working for a day to take first ride is not the way to do it.

But my list of fixes, upgrades;
Brace frame under floor better for big ass feet.  rofl
Move rad up 6-8" for better cooling.  Ran a little hot after hard fast runs.
Fix cv/boot
Finish exhaust
Tune motor
Few more brace tubes in frame
Do something else for wheel adapters/wheels

Also get my butt in gear on trailer, although using it empty gave us a better idea of what we need and want.

amen to that!!!!!!    rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on October 09, 2012, 05:26:14 AM
amen to that!!!!!!    rofl
As long as you move at speed of sound its pretty quite.  LMAO  Enemy has that on video where Candice and I pulled that roller at 8K and you and wife nearly came out of seatbelts.  It should be good!! ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 08, 2012, 06:30:32 AM
Alright, after recovering from trip I've spent some more time shopping.  The two biggest problems I had where not enough bracing in floor which caused the alum to bounce and since the pedals (GAS) bolted to it it would cause the "death hop".  So I've got some new bracing ideas for bottom and couple additional side tubes too to weld in. 
2nd issue was Empi steel wheel adapters; Tehy make a 5x4.5 to 5x205.  Meant to put dodge/jeep wheels on wide five VW.  I had flipped them around and I must say that was a waste of $46.85 ($50 for adapter less the $3.15 I got for them at scrap yard).  So I spent the extra for some billet alum ones.  Pics soon.
Also had some cooling issue after hard runs, rad is prob too low, but I'm gonna put the shroud on 1st before I move it up.
I scored a steal on a Bazzaz FI control with auto tune.  A new used one actually for a CBR1000.  They dont make one for the 12, but tech said it dont matter what bike, if your running the tuner it will learn the map.  Bazzaz tech support has been great!  A few wires will have to cut but not a big deal.  This should really fill in some dead spots on this motor, now to finish the exhaust so I can install the O2 sensor.
And lastly, I had many thing temp mounted, switches, gauges, keyed ing, start button because I knew I was gonna try my hand at a bad ass dash/hood.  Will try to upload CAD drawings on those.

But what took me down a day early was torn cv boot.  Easy? Nope!!  N over cv boots in Waynoka.  Said they didnt sell many, but had a shit pile of the chromo boot flanges.  So I've already got the flanges to protect boots from bolts, and new boots.  Outter f150 boots from Orielly , lifetime warrenty and $15. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on November 08, 2012, 11:42:32 AM
smokin deal on the bazzaz for sure and you'll get the rest done this winter. I can't see the attachment you added tho?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 19, 2012, 07:31:32 AM
Ok so I got the new brace tubes in floor.  Sorta hard to make out new tube from the silver paint get out your glasses.  2 tubes from cradle tubes in rear all way to front cradle.  Then 2 outside tubes come off rear cradle just in front of 3rd arm and those run to cross tube at front of seat.  Gotta few more small tubes in side of rail and want a X or Y behing seat.  Prob gonna have to make removeable to get motor out so I'm on the fence on that so far. 

last few pics are of the new alum wheel adapters for rear.  Real happy with them and should be no more problems there.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 19, 2012, 07:42:27 AM
Next part was I always knew I was gonna put a dash to hold all the switches and gauges.  Maybe music or GPS.  Had to scratch the 40" tv idea cause nothing would work with vibration.  rofl thumb down rofl  So first part was the hood; it looks like it floats out on the point at the nose.  No real stuctural benefit, just for looks.  Then dash was CAD'ed up along with the scoops from the hood.  All taken apart to lay flat and cut out of the alumilite.  This stuff is lighter than alum and quite, only a thud when hit so hopfully no ringing.  Down side is can't weld it, and bends are tricky, but I already had a plan for that and we'll have to wait for pics.  The side panels will be made from it too.  And if I get froggy I'm hoping to have center part open but I could be  drowning drowning drowning.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: sandycrack on November 19, 2012, 10:07:21 AM
Dash looks good!  I like the way you make the risers on the hood.  Really enhances the hood area.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Enemy on November 19, 2012, 05:23:33 PM
Dash looks good!  I like the way you make the risers on the hood.  Really enhances the hood area.

+1 on that! Giving the middle passenger a hump too eh? 
Looking good!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 19, 2012, 05:54:16 PM
Could go five humps?  Pretty sure can squeeze five wide.  LMAO
Few more hrs or prep and ill have something.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on November 20, 2012, 07:37:21 AM
Totally think you should make the car a center steer.  You sit in the middle.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 20, 2012, 11:02:21 AM
Gone too far to now, besides then Fabr cant sit in middle.  rofl

 Its 66" wide at widest part which is at shoulders, not as wide as it looks.  Few more pieces to iron out design kinks. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 20, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
I don't sit bitch,bitch! LOL!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: BDKW1 on November 21, 2012, 08:17:36 PM
But do you like to ski?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 21, 2012, 10:42:55 PM
 I only ride 2 seat lifts. LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Yummi on November 22, 2012, 06:55:57 AM
I don't sit bitch,bitch! LOL!!!!!!!

Be a good little girl and sit where you are told.  :-*
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 22, 2012, 08:15:10 PM
This little bitch don't play that game................................... ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 23, 2012, 05:33:28 AM
This little bitch don't play that game................................... ;) ;D ;D

Yeah I always got the impression your the rebellious type?  rofl rofl

And wont the wife be upset with you using "her" name.   ;D

Should have some photo worthy stuff this weekend.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 23, 2012, 05:40:26 AM
hehehhehheheheeee
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 26, 2012, 02:57:17 PM
Few more updates; ran out of a couple things til today.  Should have it ready for paint and vinyl in a week.  It will have some alum trim that goes on after paint to break it up.  Pics with phone dont really show it well.  Lots of test fit test fit test fit.  Moar to come........
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 26, 2012, 06:14:15 PM
Looks good. Just curious,are you going to ditchradius those sharp square corners? Ouch.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 26, 2012, 08:00:43 PM
Yes on smoothing out edges. Don't want to kabob my boys! 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on November 26, 2012, 09:06:51 PM
Cool,slice and dice is no fun either. Heheheee
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Engineer on November 26, 2012, 09:57:34 PM
Looks real good Carl!

These NASA space shuttle dashes are making me feel bad about mine.  Could you try not to overachieve so much. Kthx.  ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on November 27, 2012, 05:09:15 AM
Looks real good Carl!

These NASA space shuttle dashes are making me feel bad about mine.  Could you try not to overachieve so much. Kthx.  ;D
I only over achieve in my head.  My wife says I'm the 95% man, the last part seems to drag out for years sometimes.  As I've got older I'm doing fewer projects but trying to complete them 100%, timely.  ;D

Really hope to see you, Engineer, out there this time.  ;)  Lets get it knocked out, OK??
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on December 01, 2012, 08:34:52 PM
looking good!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 18, 2013, 01:47:08 PM
Well I've borrowed Enginner's tarp for a month or so.  thumb down thumb down  Gutted my Moms kitchen and build all new cabinets, counters, lights, tile.  Few more weekends.  But its been too cold in shop, no heat, and most of this stuff I cant wear gloves for.  I did look at it for an hr yest and make a list.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Yummi on February 18, 2013, 02:19:12 PM
Hate to tell you the bad news but the list gets longer once you start working on it and stop looking at it.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 18, 2013, 03:59:48 PM
so if you have his tarp does that mean he's working on his!!  ;D          you got time to finish yours for this year but next year you'll have a whole new list like the rest of us  rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 18, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
List? What list? Hell, I lost that a long time ago and just mindlessly wander through the day now.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 18, 2013, 07:20:17 PM
 rofl   uhuh  rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: WelderPat on February 19, 2013, 05:19:55 AM
A propane bbq grill makes a good shop heater.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Voodoochikin04 on February 21, 2013, 03:08:38 PM
an electric oven DOES NOT make a good shop heater... i tried it once..
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on February 22, 2013, 08:31:18 AM
is the front office heated ?? put it in there  8) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 22, 2013, 09:31:31 AM
15,000' warehouse not heatable!.  But the office area, yes!  I'll measure the double doors........ ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 19, 2013, 08:05:52 AM
Got in trouble for not posting some updates,  rofl rofl.  So here lets see if this works.  Had to get some new photo software, still trying to work thru.  drowning
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 19, 2013, 08:32:39 AM
 YOU GOING TO BE READY IN TIME?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on April 19, 2013, 09:11:24 AM
Save me a spot for the 6th 7th and 8th.  I'll try and get my shifter fixed and come on down. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 19, 2013, 09:23:52 AM
i thought you were going to LS today









Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 19, 2013, 11:59:17 AM
Come hell or high water I WILL be ready. drowning  Those pics are couple weeks old, its a little closer now.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on April 19, 2013, 04:29:07 PM
i thought you were going to LS today

Weatherman told me it was going to be only 55* today at LS.  LOL I believed him.  Soooooooooooooo here I am.  scratching my balls and watching the new's on the puter.  I's 70* out there.  Poo. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: thedoctor on April 20, 2013, 02:52:50 PM
My dad  that had an excavating company once told me "If you listen to weathermen you will go broke in a hurry."
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 10, 2013, 06:53:58 AM
So a few changes are in order.  Pulled clutch out because it was slipping.  Looks great actually, at top of spec limit.  Zx12 are picky bastards on stack height.  Scuffed the steels, cleaned everything well and put in HD springs.  Also gonna move clutch slave away from side of engine as I think heat is causing slave to pull just enough to slip too. 
Also kept having overheating issue, so the rad gonna have to move.  You can see current spot down low right behind engine.  So no fresh air, just hot engine dead air.  Goiong back about 12" and up 6".
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on September 10, 2013, 07:54:25 AM
That'll be cool,pun intended.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 10, 2013, 10:10:12 PM
I think it will work
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 16, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
are you done yet ....are you done yet.....are you done yet  rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 17, 2013, 05:24:17 AM
Never done. rofl rofl rofl  After tonight I'll have another huge upgrade to work on, but that be another couple months.
But back to current state;
new HD clutch spring.  Gauge of spring is larger OD plus the extra length.  The '02 has the better basket, and it the clutch and steels measured out like new.  Scuffed the steel with scotchbrite and reassembled.
Believe real clutch problem came from clutch slave mounted to side of motor.  Once it got got it pull just a little and slip.  So moved slave to a new bar about 4-5" from motor now.
Cooling issues are hopefully resolved with moving rad back about 12" and up 6".  It was tucked right behind engine and airbox and not getting enough clean air to front side. 

Few more little things, clean up some more extra wires, but I'm ready.  Gotta work on trailer next.  Gotta upgrade planed for that too.  :l
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Voodoochikin04 on September 27, 2013, 09:56:24 AM
Hows the paint holding up carl? I used the rustoleum hammered silver paint.. and a little unsure of how its gonna hold up.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on September 27, 2013, 10:22:53 AM
Rear A-arms and carriers are sandblasted from front tires.  Pretty good, and easy to touch up.  It will be good til powder time, if its ever powder time.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Voodoochikin04 on September 27, 2013, 12:15:59 PM
would you consider truck bed liner for the rear carriers and arms?  the stuff I used is ridiculously tough.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Wyattboche on September 27, 2013, 02:35:18 PM
would you consider truck bed liner for the rear carriers and arms?  the stuff I used is ridiculously tough.
what brand did you use?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Voodoochikin04 on September 27, 2013, 04:08:21 PM
herculiner.. toughest DIY roll on Ive experienced.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on September 28, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
I bought a home version powder coating system and they are surprisingly cheap!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on September 30, 2013, 06:44:47 AM
And give good results. I have one also. Bought an old electric oven for 20 bux to cook the parts in.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 26, 2014, 08:36:04 AM
Well, a car build is never done.  Still need more air to rad, cooling was better but not were I want it.  Picked up a new fan, 1/3 more cfm.  Also picked up a new remote oil cooler kit off eBay.  Slick little setup for $100 and it has the remote oil lines the turbo will need.  Braided lines and a cute little cooler.  Finally warming up enough to get back out to work on it.  No heat in shop area and the coldest/longest winter in 20 yrs.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 26, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
Carl,you need some shrouding on thr intake side of your radiaor. Would work wonders for you.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 26, 2014, 01:53:04 PM
Carl,you need some shrouding on thr intake side of your radiaor. Would work wonders for you.

I'm gonna bite bullet and move up above motor.  Really liked it being hidden, but hate the breaks to cool down.  Also checking other parts of cooling system too.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 26, 2014, 06:05:56 PM
 simple intake shroud will do the same thing and still be out of sight.  If you do move it up don't tilt it any more than absolutely necessary or the repositioning may not help.  just my 2 cents. Just wait till you see where I have the rad in the desert car. It will need a bit of air directing but I do not want a radiator just inches from my head like so many cars are built.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 26, 2014, 07:01:30 PM
it could work to funnel air in and I still think that oil cooler would do the trick as well since the antifreeze is taking on the temp of the oil as well. separating the two and cooling the oil I think will make a huge diff but shrouds do    do a lot too!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 26, 2014, 07:41:30 PM
Grab some crayons and give me your thought.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 26, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
Ditch the traditional 50/50 antifreeze also. Use distilled water and perhaps 20% pink antifreeze. You'll be surprised at how much better that works . You can also go distilled water and water wetter . The absolute best coolant is pure distilled water but we need something added to lube seals and provide corrosion protection. That takes a lot less antifreeze than 50/50. Make sure you add extra coolant for winter tho.Lots of info on the net about this if interested.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 26, 2014, 08:07:11 PM
Just the addition of a perimeter "spill plate" to keep the air it is getting from just flowing around it would maybe all that is needed. Perhaps 3" tall or so.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on February 27, 2014, 04:41:46 AM
fab ' what is pink antifreeze, haven't hear of it , is it what some call rv antifreeze, used in rv water pipes  ???
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 27, 2014, 05:40:26 AM
I ran water/and water wetter last trip no antifreeze and remembered to drain before this crazy cold winter.  I believe I will stand the rad more vertical too Since the air hitting the angled rad may be sliding off instead of thru?  I also believe there is a vacumn of dead still air that resides behind the seats/engine.  I need a wind tunnel.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 06:12:02 AM
I ran water/and water wetter last trip no antifreeze and remembered to drain before this crazy cold winter.  I believe I will stand the rad more vertical too Since the air hitting the angled rad may be sliding off instead of thru?  I also believe there is a vacumn of dead still air that resides behind the seats/engine.  I need a wind tunnel.
Propylene glycol as opposed to ethylene glycol . Propylene glycol carries much more heat away than ethylene glycol based . Yes,rv antifreeze is PG antifreeze.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: deano on February 27, 2014, 07:06:23 AM
thanks for info  ??? ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on February 27, 2014, 09:09:32 AM
Thinking about airflow,  drowning, and even though cage is open there is resistance in passenger compartment.  So air crosses up and over down.  And having the radiator mounted like first pic, air could slide on down rad instead of thru it? 
Second pic is how I see many mounted on big cars with wing trunk kinda wrapping around and makes good sense, but I would be unprotected by cage and have to redo wing.  thumb down

So I leaning towards 3rd pic.  Up in clean air.

Thoughts??
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 11:21:15 AM
From a safety standpoint,option 3 is by far the worst thing possible.Cooling wise,the best. I would not do option 3.

Option 2 is  bad on the cooling side due to the airflow just packing in the fine and then just bypassing the core. Put a perimater air dam on it and the airflow issue is gone but the position still looks goofy as hell.

I like option 1 by far the best. Still needs the air dam but it looks good positioned there.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 02:24:42 PM
Additionally,if using PG antifreeze you will definitely want to run at a low concentration as it is of a heavier viscosity than EG antifreeze and therefore harder to pump if used as an actual antifreeze. Using it @ low concentrations with distilled water for corrosion protection,will give good results.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 02:29:46 PM
Shroud it as in the pic in blue all 4 sides. Air will not just flow over and around core . Air will be forced thru core.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 27, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
now this works well for my rail but may or may not for yours but an idea none the less. of course my radiator is 2 pass  and a couple inches taller and a few inches wider with a 16" fan.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 27, 2014, 07:00:38 PM
still a bit closer to the seats than I would've liked but it is the only place it would fit.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 07:04:21 PM
The old single pass vs dual pass radiator controversy.  There is a shitload of info to sift thru on the net. Some interesting stuff here.
http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=13 (http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=13)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 07:05:52 PM
This part was especially interesting to me.Think about it.

"Double pass radiators require 16x more pressure to flow the same volume of coolant through them, as compared to a single pass radiator. Triple pass radiators require 64x more pressure to maintain the same volume. Automotive water pumps are a centrifugal design, not positive displacement, so with a double pass radiator, the pressure is doubled and flow is reduced by approximately 33%. Modern radiator designs, using wide/thin cross sections tubes, seldom benefit from multiple pass configurations. The decrease in flow caused by multiple passes offsets any benefits of a high-flow water pump."
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
Honestly,I'm going to go single pass on the dez car.Gonna run distilled water ,PG coolant @20% and a single pass 18x36 rad layed pretty flat(NOT GOOD)but only place it will fit and look good while being pretty protected in a crash rollover with 2 16" Spal fans pulling IIRC(the highest cfm they make in a 16") 4800CFM total. Hope it cools 750 hp OK in the funky location. I'll try to snap a couple pics tomorrow of the styrofoam mockup. Still waiting for the rad to come.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 27, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
Here's a bit more food for thought.

http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=12 (http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=12)

From it:"Tech Tip #4 - Coolant, Fans, and Hoses

Coolant
UNEQUIVOCALLY WATER IS THE BEST COOLANT! We recommend using a corrosion inhibitor comparable to Prestone Super Anti-Rust when using pure water. If freezing is a concern, use the minimum amount of antifreeze required for your climate. Stewart Components has extensively tested all of the popular "magic" cooling system additives, and found that none work better than water. In fact, some additives have been found to swell the water pumps seals and contribute to pump failures.

In static cooling situations, such as quenching metal during heat treating, softening agents (sometimes referred to as water wetting agents) will allow the water to cool the quenched part more evenly and quickly. The part will cool quicker, and the water will heat up faster. However, an automotive cooling system is not static. In fact, the velocities inside a cooling system are comparable to a fire hose forcing coolant against the walls of the engine's water jackets. If the softening agents actually aided in cooling the engine, the temperature of the coolant as it exited the engine would have to be higher because it would have absorbed more heat."
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 28, 2014, 12:58:04 PM
This part was especially interesting to me.Think about it.

"Double pass radiators require 16x more pressure to flow the same volume of coolant through them, as compared to a single pass radiator. Triple pass radiators require 64x more pressure to maintain the same volume. Automotive water pumps are a centrifugal design, not positive displacement, so with a double pass radiator, the pressure is doubled and flow is reduced by approximately 33%. Modern radiator designs, using wide/thin cross sections tubes, seldom benefit from multiple pass configurations. The decrease in flow caused by multiple passes offsets any benefits of a high-flow water pump."

this is interesting cause on the zx9r I built years ago the 2 pass actually seemed to make the rail run hotter faster and single pass I went to did better but now the r1 engine rail the 2 pass did the job and I have gone that way since and now the busa runs right in the middle of the stock gauge as the stock bike did or does and the fan cycles on and off while I am on the dunes. running easy it cycles and running hard for some time it stays on longer on a 94* day as our last trip provided us!! lol I think mine is 16"x32" but I would have to measure again to know for sure. it is however mounted above the head ports so maybe gravity helps????
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on February 28, 2014, 08:16:08 PM
just measured the core and not the tanks. 16" x 24", 2-1" cores , 2 pass
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on February 28, 2014, 08:48:42 PM
Using the old 1 square inch per HP you have a rad capable of cooling 384 HP. Congratulations.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 12:49:02 PM
Using the old 1 square inch per HP you have a rad capable of cooling 384 HP. Congratulations.

 LMAO  good to know i'm good when I boost it lol  I figured a little big wouldn't hurt anything lol
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 12:54:19 PM
and it's funny you say that cause the guy in Kansas that custom builds the alum racing radiators warned me twice that this was too big for a bike motor and I just told him twice that we run pretty much wide open throttle or in the high rpm range that ap motors never see.  rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Dunebound69 on March 01, 2014, 01:51:08 PM
I reused the rad from the donor car. Single pass. Takes a long time to get up to temp. Cools off real quick when the fan kicks on. My one fan moves 2800 cfm. Sounds like a jet when it starts up. You don't hear the motor over the fan.

Fan, http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flex-a-lite-Model-30-15-Inch-Shrouded-Electric-Cooling-Fan,1841.html
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 02:21:41 PM
if mine goes out i'm installing this one for the extra thrust  rofl rofl

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flex-a-lite-Model-160-Electric-Cooling-Fan,39992.html (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flex-a-lite-Model-160-Electric-Cooling-Fan,39992.html)
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on March 01, 2014, 03:22:32 PM
Honestly,I'm going to go single pass on the dez car.Gonna run distilled water ,PG coolant @20% and a single pass 18x36 rad layed pretty flat(NOT GOOD)but only place it will fit and look good while being pretty protected in a crash rollover with 2 16" Spal fans pulling IIRC(the highest cfm they make in a 16") 4800CFM total. Hope it cools 750 hp OK in the funky location. I'll try to snap a couple pics tomorrow of the styrofoam mockup. Still waiting for the rad to come.
I got the jet covered.................
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on March 01, 2014, 03:34:29 PM
if mine goes out i'm installing this one for the extra thrust  rofl rofl

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flex-a-lite-Model-160-Electric-Cooling-Fan,39992.html (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Flex-a-lite-Model-160-Electric-Cooling-Fan,39992.html)

Dang DS you looking to cool the rad or add 20 thousand pounds of trust. rofl.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 03:36:32 PM
I got the jet covered.................

dangit I missed that one  rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 03:36:59 PM
Dang DS you looking to cool the rad or add 20 thousand pounds of trust. rofl.

figured I would kill two birds with one stone so to speak  rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 03:42:45 PM
Cool looks like your making progress. 8) 8) 8)

Since your building a 3 seater, is the driver seat going to be in the middle?

trans man has had a new baby son!! well his wife did anyways lol     I seriously doubt he will  be at the dunes this year or poss even next year.  he seems to have dropped off the face of the earth lol  a new wife and 3 kids can do that to some!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 01, 2014, 03:43:20 PM
Toy time $$$$ is tough but I sold my buggy.  While it did get to be a good performing mini I had things I wanted to do different-better-bigger.

So the first step, buggy loaded for last trip to meet up with buyer.


you've come a long way since this pic!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on March 14, 2014, 07:39:17 AM
Well I spent some time and $$ over last few weeks.  Really tring to kick this cooling issue.
So I moved the rad up higher, bought a bigger cfm fan.  Also picked up a remote oil cooler setup.  Has output for turbo too  ;D.  Got a small fan to put on that one too.  4 new Rigid dually leds for front/side viewing and scored 2 20" led bars for roof.  Tossing the halogen lights cause I'll need the amp.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on March 14, 2014, 07:41:08 AM
moar buggy porn. 

More to come.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on March 14, 2014, 11:28:45 AM
lookin good!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 03, 2014, 02:55:40 PM
Slacker here, closer to trip more motivated I get.  Should be up and running this weekend.  Then to put on new roof and lights.  Maybe........

The remote oil cooler adapter is slick, fits will with nice braided lines.  Fan I ordered came in too large but I'm gonna give it a shot.  They were out of smaller one so just sub'd the larger out of blue.

Got the Radiator moved to its 3rd location now!!  kick  Also have a new fan with another 500cfm. Plumbed with hard lines, most of way.

And last pic, is well cause I'm gettin a little excited.   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 03, 2014, 03:26:18 PM
I like that and I can't see how that won't work especially with the oil cooler
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 03, 2014, 04:20:47 PM
If that sumbitch still overheats you got other issues. You'll be running too cold now. LOL!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fastcorvairs on April 03, 2014, 08:33:15 PM
AH Grasshopper you have come a long way.    ;D
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on April 04, 2014, 05:55:47 AM
I agree with all.  And thanks to great folk here I learned 50% of what I know.  The rest was done the hard way.  Really hoping to give her hell this trip.  My nephew is super excited!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 04, 2014, 06:26:54 PM
I'm going to have 2 granddaughters , a daughter and a wife to give rides. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 09, 2014, 03:40:27 PM
now are they giving you rides or will you be driving them around fabbr?   rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 09, 2014, 08:19:16 PM
I could only hope..................................
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 09, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
if so I want video  rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on April 10, 2014, 07:57:05 AM
 Passenger is not a title I aspire to.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on April 27, 2014, 08:55:03 AM
we want update pics!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 03, 2014, 01:29:39 PM
did you get the body done?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 04, 2014, 06:16:33 AM
Body done. Check
Roof done. Check
Paint. Check
New LEDs check.
New rad and fan mounted. Check
New cooler mounted plumbed. Yeah but

Problem I have oil light on now. Common for a sec or two or maybe 5 after a change. But I think I have an air bubble trapped. ESP after studying the doom diagram. So got to chase that down. The oil cooler had cold oil while oil at filter was hot. I got to prime it better. And still have prob with battery staying charged. Even with a disconnect!!  But what the hell we got 3 weeks no hurry or anything

Sorry only crappy cell pics. Don't have time to work and take pics. So maybe a few as I load up or as Fast says about ice cream  must be present to win/eat.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 04, 2014, 07:42:47 AM
take the terminal off the batt and if it still goes dead then your batt crapped out. isn't the oil cooler above the oil filter? if so did you pull a line and fill the oil cooler too as too start a gravity feed? they always look better with skin lol
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 04, 2014, 08:30:46 AM
You must be routed wrong. The oil cooler should be pressure fed and returned.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 04, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
It's a adapter that sandwiches between filter and block. I would guess oil filter is pressurized?  There is a bypass valve inside based on drawings in book. I layed oul cooler on ground but I'm thinking maybe the idiot oil light/pressure switch is on because of a bad air lock at either I or the bypass valve. Gonna research some today.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 04, 2014, 11:34:32 AM
any chance you can post a pic of the diagram?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 04, 2014, 11:36:07 AM
and what is the function of the bypass other than the obvious? I ask because if it is temp related I wonder if it can be removed for better flow for what the motor is used for now.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 04, 2014, 01:16:30 PM
Its an oil relief valve.  It controls oil pressure in motor.  Stock looks to be 55psi warm at about 6k.  Can raise pressure with shim.  But I'll take a pic of diagram  looks like passage to valve and oil switch are on a dead end line.  If they have air trapped that would explain. 
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 04, 2014, 05:45:36 PM
I'm thinking ,without thinking it thru(lol),you are bypassing the bypass with the aux oil cooler adapter and getting low oil pressure. Is this adapter engine specific or generic?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 04, 2014, 05:58:22 PM
If you go back to pg18 you can see the adapter part of the cooler.  Oil comes into back side, should run thru line, thru cooler and down to outside of filter.  Pass thru filter and up the block.  I dig into again this week.  Took today off!!   

It was a generic oil cooler setup.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 06, 2014, 08:01:24 AM
Well did more diggin and seems many Kawi oil pumps have a priming problem when they sit w/o oil for a while.  And I was oiless for 4-6 weeks.  And to prime easy way, just apply 30 psi air to cranck case vent a few times and it will push oil thru system.  So hopefully this takes care of it and no damage has been done with the low oil pressure while I was %$$#% with it.  Only idled a bit, and never made any noise.   
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: BDKW1 on May 06, 2014, 08:52:04 AM
And to prime easy way, just apply 30 psi air to cranck case vent a few times and it will push oil thru system.

Wouldn't you have to crack an oil line for this to work?
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 06, 2014, 09:36:40 AM
Wouldn't you have to crack an oil line for this to work?
I'd think not.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 06, 2014, 01:56:03 PM
Well I be damn'd.  Sure enough after about 4-5 times of pumping her up to 30 psi, oil pump primed and we have pressure and all is full and flowing!!!  Now I got some hot to cool.   ;D ;D FInish soldier a couple wires, and this thing will be ready to load. 

Now off to trailer, flooring, new countertop, water line for fridge, and wires for a/c.  One hot mofo in LS today, 102*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 07, 2014, 07:07:37 AM
Cool!!!! Uhhhhh,what AC is that? Thought u didn't want it................ I gave it to a homeless guy to put in his tent.






























Just kidding!!!! It will be there or here waiting for you.
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: Carlriddle on May 07, 2014, 09:17:43 AM
Cool!!!! Uhhhhh,what AC is that? Thought u didn't want it................ I gave it to a homeless guy to put in his tent.

Just kidding!!!! It will be there or here waiting for you.

You must have gave him your tent too.  Thats only tent I've ever seen with a roof that hold a/c on it.   rofl

I'll make the call as we get closer based on weather, and let you know.

Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 08, 2014, 10:28:51 AM
do you still have the gasket for that a/c? or did the transient get that too lol lol
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 08, 2014, 10:41:47 AM
GASKET IS THERE. I JUST RESEAL ORIGINAL  WITH URETHANE CAULK.      Damn cap lock.......................
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: dsrace on May 08, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
GASKET IS THERE. I JUST RESEAL ORIGINAL  WITH URETHANE CAULK.      Damn cap lock.......................

ok already i heard you all the way up here in neb!!!!  LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO i figured with a lumber yard at your disposal that caulking wouldn't be an issue  rofl rofl
Title: Re: Carl's new Build
Post by: fabr on May 08, 2014, 12:44:16 PM
5 finger discount.....................
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