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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => "AP" Member Project Logs => Topic started by: Yummi on June 07, 2015, 07:46:16 AM
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No buggy. Forest not conducive to that. And the squeeze was no longer worth the juice. Decided on a Jeep for a few reasons. Was really worried that I would miss the fun of having a "toy."
Come to find out; I don't. I have taken to the dang Jeep like a fish to water. That is somewhat problematic. Why? Well, can't leave well enough alone. So, here is what ONE Jeep guy has done. Looking like it will be mostly wrapped up, excluding some minor stuff, in the next few weeks. So here is a thread on how to spend money not on a buggy.
BTW, I have been keeping a spread sheet - note to self; don't do that shit.
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So the goal was simple. A capable off road "trail rig." More over-landing than rock crawling. Not looking to ford an 18" stream or do 18" shelf drops. Reliable, solid 3 rating. Never really bought into the jack em to the sky and put big tires on em. Figured keep center of gravity low as possible, like a fat bottom girl, and have fun with it, well, like a fat bottom girl.....
This is how it came. This was on ordering day. Not ours, but pretty close. Had to wait for ours to be built.
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Once we did get it, first thing first, top comes off nets go on to secure the doggy. Day one.
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Yes, I should have just stopped. Maybe $300.00 into at that point.
But NOOOOOOOO...... No self respecting Jeeper could be without a winch. That requires a bumper. And a really big box.
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Of course, there has to be a hiccup along the way..... Wench failed new in box. They sent another. Some component in this get up.
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Course with the weight of a bumper comes springs.
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Whats that? Disconnects? Of course.
Then the long cold brutal winter. (Not really, but it sat for a few months.)
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Now funny thing about Jeepdom. All them monkeys yammer on about "custom" this and "custom" that. Like a RZR most this shit ain't custom. That is not a bad thing; it really makes for some great options. But it ain't custom. I generally smile and nod my head in agreement.
So, there is a boat load of shit to pick from. This is a pretty cool unit. Called a SPod. Totally separate from the Jeep harness. Powers six devices. So on it goes.
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Of course while you are under the hood, a thing I rarely do, might as well mount an air compressor.
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The instructions were essentially written in Arabic with black box photos to guide the way. Yes, I was just THAT impressed.
So with new switches need something to power with them
Enter the lights.
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Gotta be honest here. A 50" bar sucks balls. Whistles and squeals like a stuck pig. Have worked and worked to fix that. Will try a few more times, then off with it! Like a nagging woman, life is just too short to put up with it.
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Of course, still have more to do. Ordered the Jeep without GPS in the head unit. Not a fan. That technology is still changing. So, used a Garmin unit. Need to figure out a mount for it.
Enter Ram mounts and a stubby dashboard bar.
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Now, like factory best to have that "key on" no big deal, run to the lighter socket and call it a day..... getting to that socket?
DO NOT have the woman come outside at this point to find "her" Jeep disassembled.
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Long as you are inside mounting shit, might as well get the CB installed. Did you know channel 16 is the unofficial off-road channel? 4X4 - get it?
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Trouble is, the speaker is down by her feet. And while remarkable feet, they can't hear. Problem solved.
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Course long about that time, it is time to remove the top for summer. We did it last year via hand. That sucked. They make stuff for that. Still sucks, just not as bad.
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Very cool yummi. Great pictorial post . In the far past we did a LOT of "jeeping". LOTS of fun for sure. Was that one of the HF winches that gave you problems. I hear good and bad both about them. Killer priced.
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Time to finish the wires. Not a big fan of wenchs. Who in thr right mind runs a 16 ga cable outside the engine compartment with out a fuse? Who runs a 400 motor without something as a circuit protection?
Found these. $25.00 minimum order. Brother was happy as he gets one for his Jeep for FREE.
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Now, lest you think it is all sitting in the garage, oh no, simply not the case. We go exploring.
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Part of the exploring led us to http://www.overlandexpo.com/west (http://www.overlandexpo.com/west) What is "over-landing?" Well, it is going remote places with a vehicle. Adventure riders, Unimogs, fully custom adventure trailers like this:
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That's cool and all, but truth be told I am over tents. So there is a third option, one with a mattress. True "over landers" will likely poo poo them, but for my needs it is the bees knees, the gnats ass, the cat's meow.
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Why yes, I have one ordered. Should be here in a few more weeks.
Course while waiting, there is more to do to the Jeep.
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Very cool yummi. Great pictorial post . In the far past we did a LOT of "jeeping". LOTS of fun for sure. Was that one of the HF winches that gave you problems. I hear good and bad both about them. Killer priced.
Engo. Good out fit, no hassle on the bad unit. Just one of them things I guess?
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Awesome as usual Yummi but I have one question. Who is WILLYS and why did you put their name on your Jeep?
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So, now that it is time to get remote. Figure it is time to get serious on the Jeep. One thing I am not a fan of is the mall crawlers with 20" rims and a 3" lift with no armor. Pretty well tells me they ain't going where I am. So with the fat bottom girl concept and a desire to remain at 33" tires, time for armor.
This is ordered, and waiting on something else. A full belly pan 1/4" 6061 Aluminum for skid plates.
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That goes on with this, which is the only "custom" part. Local fab guy builds them, mine will have racks and rotopax mounts for four gallons of water, and four of fuel....
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When it is installed I will show you the selling point vs the "bolt on" stuff. It should be here about the time of the trailer.
Why yes, the extra weight and tongue weight of the trailer will result in new rear springs. Always something right?
So, back to the 20" rims. Laughable to me. Everybody goes big rims. Near as I can tell, it is all about sidewall flex and foot print. So, with the fat bottom girl in mind I am sticking with 33" tires. Jeep came with 32" x 10.5" The back space on a Jeep rim is retarded at 6.75" A stock JKU will clear 33" tires. Most guys go for a 35" tire with a 3 or 4" lift. Not so much for me.
Time to order these.....
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Will run a 33"x12.5X15. That should get some sidewall flex no?
Should look like this....
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You know I ordered a set for the trailer as well... LMAO Did not change hubs on trailer, wont clear 33" so rims are just for "looks."
Back ordered of course.
Now, 33" on a 1.5" level may rub. Raise the jeep? Nope, raise the fenders!
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Should give me 1" more clearance. Now it is time for the UPS man to show up!
Course, no self respecting Jeep can leave home with out stuff. Toiletries, first aid, tools, all the crap.
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and it fits....
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The back third of the Jeep is this guy's domain....
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Front third mine. Middle? Come along for the ride.
This is one of my favorite pictures. Serious down pour - top off. We were just four miles from a gas station, banazi run, sit under the canopy with the motorcycle dudes.
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So, next few weeks, should be pretty close to my goals. All is paid for, just waiting at this point.......
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Awesome as usual Yummi but I have one question. Who is WILLYS and why did you put their name on your Jeep?
He is a myth. Like Zeus or Thor. Or maybe some dead guy who just needed to get out and about?
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Very nice,practical,capable vehicle. Very cool.
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Got a link to the air compressor?
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Got a link to the air compressor?
Jes......
http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-compressors/ (http://www.arb.com.au/products/arb-compressors/)
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or http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARB-High-Output-On-Board-12V-Air-Compressor-Universal-CKMA12-/131465312663?hash=item1e9bf17997&vxp=mtr
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UPS Man came again. He dropped off some big things, some little things. Tackled a little thing tonight. I like the little mid-week projects. Makes me feel like it is not just sitting.
Rigid Industries makes a pretty cool little bracket for the brake lights. Who can resist cool? Wired it up to the reverse lights. Confident it will be bright enough when used. It comes with the world's smallest light cover. Maybe some states require them? IDK?
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Cool and LOVE the tag!
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Cool and LOVE the tag!
Shana's nickname is "Snook" that started very innocently. Sort of stuck. We call it "her Jeep." My toy, her car.
Anyways apparently I have been "Snookered." I don't know if that applies to the price of the damn thing, the amount of money dumped into it, or the girl that talked me into it.
It works on lots of levels.
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All 3 are all good my friend!
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I have nothing to add bs1 carry on.
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So the UPS man came again. You know you are getting old and or maybe it has just been a long day when you look at this and think..... "Screw it, will do that later." Did manage to get them unwrapped and stacked. Should count for something no?
Hope they look good. Need the new fender flares to show up. Not this weekend, maybe next. Should have better clearance and more coverage. Hope it all gives me the look etc I am going for. Always sort of a crap shoot in that regard, get something, expect it to be what you want. sometimes, not so much. Been lucky so far. Minor issues in that regard.
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very nice jeff. Mite keep you out of trouble In the back woods.
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very nice jeff. Mite keep you out of trouble In the back woods.
Why do you think he goes in to the back woods?
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:swig:
Why do you think he goes in to the back woods?
:swig:
MoonShine still?
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I was thinking of getting one but with "Jeep" instead of "hike"
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now that you have added all those really nice extra's is the state of california even going to let you license it after inspecting it rofl rofl rofl rofl? is it still even carb friendly LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO it will make a nice toy
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Jeff don't have to worry about that Brian. he camps out in a shack in the mountains of AZ. :laugh: He mite be able to see caly on a clear day.
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well now that you mention that i do remember some pics he posted a while back so he's all good ...carry on lol nice job btw
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Thanks, hope to be mostly done soon. Getting very frustrated with delays and back orders.
AZ has no smog laws where I am. Only in Tucson and Phoenix metro. I am free to move about the state.
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well we can't get much done here with it raining 5to 6 days a week!
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Fricken humidity sucks from all the rain .....................I HATE weather like this.
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AZ has no smog laws where I am. Only in Tucson and Phoenix metro. I am free to move about the state.
Why I registered My buggy in Yuma. AZ don't care about minor details.........
Which reminds Me, I need to renew that thing.
Edit.... Actually My F250 and toy hauler are still both registered there. 5 year plates on the tow rig and permanent plates for the trailer. Gotta love AZ......
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and you moved to Kansas??????????????????????????
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and in nebraska the first time they pulled you over and asked to see your license it had better have the az address or you could get a ticket for night licensing them in nebraska with your new addy. not a good state
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and you moved to Kansas??????????????????????????
40 acres of land...........
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and in nebraska the first time they pulled you over and asked to see your license it had better have the az address or you could get a ticket for night licensing them in nebraska with your new addy. not a good state
Kansas is the same SFAIK.
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I got pulled over when we first got here, Kali license, AZ reg and KS address on the insurance. Guy didn't even blink.
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Every now and again the stars align. Slow day at work. Mounted new tires. Waiting for fenders, bumper, etc.
Hate the wait.
Couple inches wider than stock. The stock even had a spacer installed shortly after I first got it.
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Now I have stuff to sell.
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I got pulled over when we first got here, Kali license, AZ reg and KS address on the insurance. Guy didn't even blink.
you got lucky lol
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I'm having a duh moment. What is the level kit you speak of?
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Terra flex makes a level kit with 1.5" level.
http://www.quadratec.com/products/16190_1101_07.htm (http://www.quadratec.com/products/16190_1101_07.htm)
This new TeraFlex leveling kit includes a 2" front spring, and a 1" rear spring with longer front swaybar links. This kit is perfect for leveling your JK, an adding just a touch of lift to compensate for aftermarket bumpers or full size spare. the performance enhancements of the coil springs will allow for increased off road handling and articulation.
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Found a guy on a Jeep Forum and hit him up.
He was considering it in this thread.
http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/coil-spring-air-bags-vs-weight-distributing-hitch-1208041.html (http://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/coil-spring-air-bags-vs-weight-distributing-hitch-1208041.html)
hi, saw the thread. currious if you did the mod and or the outcome.
Thanks in advance
I did I added air lift coil springs to the rear. Fairly easy job and so far love them. Works perfectly for towing my pop up camper. No problems thus far. I keep them about 10psi and my jeep rides better. Definitely worth it. I got mine from sdtrucksprings.com. cheapest price I could find, extremely fast shipping. Customer service was very helpful. If you are lifted call air lift directly, they need some measurements to give you a part number to order
. air lift does not sell directly to the public though.
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The benefit of having something adjustable is being able to compensate for when your towing vs not. The couple inches of extra height wo trailer may be fine, but??
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The benefit of having something adjustable is being able to compensate for when your towing vs not. The couple inches of extra height wo trailer may be fine, but??
The more I ponder the more the air spring solution makes sense just for that reason. The weight load is not constant.
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So,we're just talking about airbags?
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I guess. Talking about best way to compensate for load. Springs or bags? Bags would let me adjust due to load as needed. Springs, unloaded could be a bit much.
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bag it!
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OK, bag it is. Dang coil springs are worthless for weight. Leaf springs are so much easier.
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Its got coils right?
Then these; https://www.airliftcompany.com/products/air-springs/air-lift-1000/
Turn up yore speakers, watch down under video.
http://www.airliftcompany.com/products/air-springs/air-lift-1000/ (https://www.airliftcompany.com/products/air-springs/air-lift-1000/)
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OK question for them that have done this. Air Lift got back to me. They do have a 5 x 8. Apparently Kia Sorento - go figure. Do these things rub against the coil spring? Do they use the coil spring to contain themselves to inflate?
How gnats ass does it have to be on the measurement?
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Your dealing with a big heavy rubber balloon. Can't see that a gnats ass will make a hill of beans difference. Long as the air bag go's into the spring it should work. Not like your going to own the Jeep long enough for them to wear out. LMAO I got your number Jeff. rofl
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Bag is contained by coil spring. But not much rubbing, as spring and bag move together.
fast covered most of the rest. So you should be good.
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Beatme to it. Had it all typed out and all. Dammit,Carl. I wasted all that effort. rofl rofl rofl
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Beatme to it. Had it all typed out and all. Dammit,Carl. I wasted all that effort. rofl rofl rofl
Sorry here's a get well soon card, violin violin
And some rain for ya!! rofl We could use some rain. And the peeps in Cali I hear need water too.
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Got all the cards and rain I need ,Carl............................. Sarcasm ;D rofl rofl
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rofl rofl
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don't know if it helps but i have used triangle, firestone and air lift bags. i currently use air lift cause when i was looking to add them to this current truck they had the best warranty. i do have to say there mounting hardware was also better built imo. the others are right the bag in the coil is simple and as long as it fits inside the coil you bee good. i doubt you need the largest heaviest bag to do what you looking for either. i do believe you'll need a better shock to go with added pressure or faster rebound. like faster compression and slower rebound rate.
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not sure if they would fit the bill but there is also a style called timbren http://timbren.com/
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not sure if they would fit the bill but there is also a style called timbren http://timbren.com/
Those things are very temp sensitive. When hey get cold thy turn into rocks.
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Cool, thanks. All ordered up. Should solve some future problems. Close to being done with "phase one" and well, really just want it done at this point. Few more weeks I suppose.
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Kind of slow. Would have been a perfect weekend to install fenders. But nooooooooo.... Gosh I hate the wait. They sure are quick to take them money though right?
Only thing to do was paint diff covers. Lot of work for something designed to get bashed. Oh well, fun project....
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The wait continues for stuff that is ordered.
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aren't them purty!
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They came black PC. The black paint was for minor touch up. (Even I have whoops moments) Figured it would be tough to tape with the radius. So, hand painted.
Ehhh, like I say fun project.
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You SURE you're taking this off road anytime soon? Sure hate to scuff those diff covers! Just kidding ya. Looking good!
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Looks like one of those bad ass, tricked out, shinny blacktop only 4x4. I would say a couple coats of clear over those covers but any real offroadin will surely scratch em quickly. If my wife saw them spiders under there she would smash them with a baseball bat. rofl rofl
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No Mall Crawler for me. thumb down Besdies the closest thing we have to a "mall" here is WalMart.
Not really going to beat on it too much until the underside armor is in place. The diff covers are part of that process.
I figure I should be good on a 3 (based on 5) depending on how it is rated. The break over on the JKU generally requires 35's and or lockers for much more. Not in the mood to run 35's. I really don't see how 1" of side wall aired down for that extra 1/2" of clearance is going to make that much difference? Lockers I get. Just want to keep as much reliability as possible. So no lockers, less apt to go looking for trouble.
Going for more "trail" rather than "rock crawler."
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I can just imagine the hair standing on end on the back of your neck. I don't think I've ever experienced yummi expressing being outright pissed off.
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I am not pissed. This is just fun for me at this point. The trouble for them is depending on how they elect to resolve it. It either goes away or it escalates. The second leg of the first transaction is really problematic for them. I already looked up their Agent of Service in Arizona. Fraud is a tort. Go figure.
Can't imagine how many folks they fxxk. Whatever.
Will be curious to see the response and the tone they take.
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They've always been like that ever since they had a simple little storefront out here in Burbank, Ca. I gave up on them years ago for their lack of customer service to put it mildly. Now that they've gone internet and don't have to look anyone in the eye it can only have gotten worse.
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One of you guys post a link to them so we can be sure to steer clear of them.
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All the same company. 4WD, 4 Wheel Parts, etc....
http://transamericanautoparts.com/companies/ (http://transamericanautoparts.com/companies/)
Smitty Built, Pro Comp, Rubicon Express, Warn All owned by the same dipshits.
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Wow !
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Good old Marty Coyne and company. Not surprised.
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Please fill us in on who that is.
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Long time desert racer. Owns pro-comp and part of 4WP along with Greg Adler.
Spode behind the wheel and spode in real life.
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spode? Never heard the term before. ??? ??? Guess it's true. We can learn something every day. ;D
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Had to look the damn thing up. Barely found it.
Spode- A term used in the dirtbike scene when describing someone who obviously isn't very good.
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Well, the spodes never responded. I do however have all my money back. fxxking retards. Lesson learned.
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Not surprised in the no response. At least you got your money back AFTER they used it for 6 weeks interest free.
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Back on track. Lost six weeks due to 4 Wheel Parts. I don't suspect I will order from them again.
So, got the diff covers installed. Lot of work to make them pretty, then to hide them up under the ride. Oh well. I suspect if I ever hear the "clang" of iron on rock I will be happy to have done so. Soon as Don @ RPMFab is done, will have full skid plates.
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Went ahead and tended to the muffler as well. I don't know why they just don't ship them black. Much neater looking this way. (The loose wires / loom are for future lights with new bumper)
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The guy at AirLift apparently told me the wrong thing. Arrrgggghhhh! If I have a 5"d pocket can a 5 1/2"d bag work? Do they squish enough? Ready to order standard Wrangler bags and a 1" spacer for the bags to make it all work. Seems silly it is overly complex.
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Love the bumper "sticker". Can't help you on the bags.
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Nothing too exciting.
Wanted to stop this:
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(Not mine)
So I installed an expanded metal grate. Odd that only the wrangler comes from Jeep with out a guard of any type.
Decided on a flat black as the grill is gloss black.
Before:
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Finally got a tracking number on some other things. Funny part is I won't be around next weekend to install them. Have a wedding to go to.
Poop.
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Nice attention to details ,yum.
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OK, the FedEx guy came. Being that doing this is funner than work, I took some time to install the first fender. The idea is gain an inch of clearance. With a full width front, it is hard to find options. So Lund makes one that will line up with a horizontal line in the front above the bumper. Cool.
Back ordered weeks via 4WD / 4WheelParts. Morris 4x4 shipped em right out via drop ship. Lesson learned.
Seems Lund needs to work on their packaging. In their defense it worked.
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So, rumor is six hours if you have no skills. I fit that category. Figured I would knock one out in 1.5 and call it a day. Nope. They rely on "Christmas tree inserts" Set them aside the ones you don't break. $0.03 of plastic. Really guys, toss a few in the box? Disassemble, trim, install lugs, cuss, cuss some more. Line it all up. Squint the eyes. Cuss some more. Off with the old:
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Managed to get one on.
The goal was 1" more clearance. There is a bit more coverage (width) as well. Seems to have met the goal.
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One down, three to go. They should go faster now right? Or I am I just that special?
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So anybody have an alternative or secret tips for Riv Nuts?
Re Tard Ed.
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So anybody have an alternative or secret tips for Riv Nuts?
Re Tard Ed.
Material thickness is key. If your doing body sheetmetal (.040) The nuts you have are probably for thicker metal........
Installing them is easy, screw on mandrel and squeeze.
If you can get to the backside of the panel, sometimes you can use a small washer to make up for lack of panel thickness.
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Do you have the pop rivet style install tool? If not,buy one,NOW. If so,do you have it properly adjusted? Are you NOT using aluminum riv nuts?
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Aluminum riv nuts, China no doubt. Riv nuts not installed via pop rivit gun? Screw device. Sucks balls. Will gladly go buy correct riv nuts. What are my options?
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Aluminum riv nuts, China no doubt. Riv nuts not installed via pop rivit gun? Screw device. Sucks balls. Will gladly go buy correct riv nuts. What are my options?
I always used a bolt (allen head grade nine) and a steel spacer with a air impact gun to finish out smashing them down. Don't let the steel spacer turn any buy welding a short handle on it. The tools used to install them never had enough leverage to finish closing them down. Also use some antiseize on the bolt so it don't weld to the rivnut. Hole size is crucial you want the serrations to grab the metal.
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You used the wrong tools then........................ ;) ;) I agree,there are a lot of junk riv nut tools out there though.
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Here is a good install tool but,for most people,a bit pricey. Cheaper versions are pretty much junk.
http://www.zoro.com/marson-rivet-nut-tool-39200/i/G1742212/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPj6jP29y8YCFQmNaQodcdsLHA&gclsrc=aw.ds (http://www.zoro.com/marson-rivet-nut-tool-39200/i/G1742212/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPj6jP29y8YCFQmNaQodcdsLHA&gclsrc=aw.ds)
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Anti Size may be the trick. These things suck. Off to the fastener store later today.
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Bite the bullet,buy an installation tool as I showed you. Problem solved. You can afford the tool. Make your life a lot easier.I've had my install tool ,just like the one I showed you for over 35 years. Installed 100's of the rivnuts,learned the aluminum rivnuts are not worth using. If you are using 1/4" or larger rivnuts then this type tool is best.
http://www.zoro.com/westward-rivet-nutgun-10-24-14-20-516-18-38-16-5tuw5/i/G0742813/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPOJs7_Ly8YCFQYJaQodgjQN4Q&gclsrc=aw.ds (http://www.zoro.com/westward-rivet-nutgun-10-24-14-20-516-18-38-16-5tuw5/i/G0742813/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPOJs7_Ly8YCFQYJaQodgjQN4Q&gclsrc=aw.ds)
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Yeah yeah, I will go to store today.
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It all depends on whether you wish to keep the hair on your head or pull it out fighting the things.......... ;) ;) Right tool=happy worker=best results. ;D ;D
Honestly,I HATE fighting stuff and getting inferior results so, I always buy the best tools I can afford for the job at hand.
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Here you go Jeff. Put the big ones in with this one. LMAO
http://www.blindrivetsupply.com/Huck-Model-507-Hydraulic-Rivet-Gun-Installation-Tool-MDP_p_9447.html (http://www.blindrivetsupply.com/Huck-Model-507-Hydraulic-Rivet-Gun-Installation-Tool-MDP_p_9447.html)
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Here's and unusual riv-nut tool. I like this concept because it not wanting to turn the nut and galled the threads.
http://www.rivetnuttool.com/ (http://www.rivetnuttool.com/)
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Really this is the one that I have. You still need to use the bolt and spacer thingy when installing a 5/16 or bigger rev nut.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLUE-POINT-NUTSERT-INSERT-FASTENER-SET-HP400-SNAP-ON-TOOL-MINT-/301678491194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463d70763a (http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLUE-POINT-NUTSERT-INSERT-FASTENER-SET-HP400-SNAP-ON-TOOL-MINT-/301678491194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item463d70763a)
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There is absolutely zero possibility of galling any threads with either of the tools I showed. There is no wrenching of any kind done with them. Fast,secure,simple.
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You know I have a philosophy about tools. I always tell myself that it would cost me way more to have someone else do it than what I end up spending on the tool. Plus then ya always have it for next time. Talk about rationalization ;D It works for me !
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You know I have a philosophy about tools. I always tell myself that it would cost me way more to have someone else do it than what I end up spending on the tool. Plus then ya always have it for next time. Talk about rationalization ;D It works for me !
You and me both.
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Here is a good install tool but,for most people,a bit pricey. Cheaper versions are pretty much junk.
http://www.zoro.com/marson-rivet-nut-tool-39200/i/G1742212/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPj6jP29y8YCFQmNaQodcdsLHA&gclsrc=aw.ds (http://www.zoro.com/marson-rivet-nut-tool-39200/i/G1742212/?utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_Feed&gclid=CPj6jP29y8YCFQmNaQodcdsLHA&gclsrc=aw.ds)
this is a good one
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You know I have a philosophy about tools. I always tell myself that it would cost me way more to have someone else do it than what I end up spending on the tool. Plus then ya always have it for next time. Talk about rationalization ;D It works for me !
i have tools i bought under this pretense and have never used again but it was cheaper and better than paying anyone else.
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So. Stoped at Fastenal. They don't even stock the damn things. thumb down
Down with right tool for the job.
The hunt continues.
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So. Stoped at Fastenal. They don't even stock the damn things. thumb down
Down with right tool for the job.
The hunt continues.
Out of three Fastenal stores here in the Wichita area I have have never found anything there other then bolts and maybe a drill bit or two. Good for bolts, suck for anything else.
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MSC,McMaster-Carr,Grainger,online. My favored sources.
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McMaster-Carr is the best. The ultimate hardware store !
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The Eagle has landed.
Ordered it up a few weeks back. Slid into a production spot for a spec model. The Amish fellers at the factory got it knocked out quickly. Now sits in Tempe waiting for me to find time to fetch the dang thing. Yellow accents to match highlights on Jeep. Already ordered the wheels to match the Jeep. With luck will get it next week. Hard wire a brake controller to the Jeep is their due.
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Fab guy said new rear bumper, etc is off to powder. He sent me pictures of parts of it. Mocked up on his Jeep / bumper. Basket for stuff to keep inside clutter free and ready for the doggies. Looking forward to that and the skid plates as well. Should be cool.
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Really wish I had this weekend to mess with stuff.
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OH ,that's cool!
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Well, the weekend in Utah was fun. Quick trip. Wedding.
So, slammed at work. Likely will not get the new trailer till Friday - Best case. Still working on the fenders. I absolutely hate riv nuts.
In any event, managed to find an hour and got the one front done. Now to find time to do the other side.
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The kicker was the full width bumper and the horizontal line.
Here is how it lined up:
Stock:
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It is a little wider so that works well with the new tires. The only non perfect fit is the minor area between the bumper and the fender on the old overlap. Should be fine. It is what it is.
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Did I mention I hate riv nuts?
Now to find a couple of more hours in the week.
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If you still hate rivnuts,you didn't buy a good install tool. Rivnuts are easy peasy.
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Run it over to your fab guy and have him add a little to the end of the bumper.
Looking great so far.
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Run it over to your fab guy and have him add a little to the end of the bumper.
Looking great so far.
I was thinking the same thing. Would be easy to mod. I will see how I like it. Or better how much it annoys me. Always something no?
If you still hate rivnuts,you didn't buy a good install tool. Rivnuts are easy peasy.
Well, you are correct. Started Tuesday, pulled the front fender. Troubles and frustration called it good. Wednesday no luck at Fastnal. Thursday off to Vegas for work. Friday 15 hours including a drive to Provo. Saturday: Provo and SLC. Sunday: Drive to Payson and six hours paper work. Now, still got the Jeep with no fender. No real issue for me. It is not my daily driver.
What's that? Shana wants to drive? Awww, crap. See my challenge here? As she stated "(T)he fun has been sucked right out of this fender project." I blame the nuts.
Next two days on the road. Might get a tool. Might just get a beer and bigger hammer instead. LMAO
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LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO Well,since you are busy,just pull up the links I posted and get a good rivnut tool on it's way. You don't need the frustration and inferior results trying to do it any other way. ;) ;) ;D ;D
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they are easy and nice to use but with the right tool looking good and a little heavier with each new post lol
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Got up early this morning and put on a new cargo net. Was not real fond of the other one. It used a hook system under the rail that would come undone. Likely not too much of a problem, but odd to see the dogs head hanging out the side of the Jeep driving down the road.
Out with the old:
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In with the new.
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This uses bolts to hold it all in place. Seems like a higher quality product overall.
Went ahead and got some sun shade as well. Yellow. Should give me a sunny disposition?
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This afternoon I will finish the battle with the Riv Nuts. Effn Riv Nuts. For now, off to work, and oddly enough will be taking the Jeep today.
Time to stop the yellow. Too much is well, just too much.
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Got up early this morning and put on a new cargo net. Was not real fond of the other one. It used a hook system under the rail that would come undone. Likely not too much of a problem, but odd to see the dogs head hanging out the side of the Jeep driving down the road.
Out with the old:
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In with the new.
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This uses bolts to hold it all in place. Seems like a higher quality product overall.
Went ahead and got some sun shade as well. Yellow. Should give me a sunny disposition?
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This afternoon I will finish the battle with the Riv Nuts. Effn Riv Nuts. For now, off to work, and oddly enough will be taking the Jeep today.
Time to stop the yellow. Too much is well, just too much.
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Too stubborn to spend the coin on a good rivnut tool? ??? 8) ;D ;D ;D I guess you just like a challenge?.................. rofl Just effin with ya,yum. ;) ;)
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I have conquered the RivNuts!
So, the first side took four hours total. The other side? About two. Experience goes along way in this game.
My taker on the Lund product? It could be better.
First, the Rivnut tool they give you sucks balls. If you have access to a better tool, get it. In the event you want to proceed before you get going, run to the Ace Hardware.
Get some of this in assorted sizes. Be certain to get a grade 8 bolt or two for the rivnut tool. The piece of shit China crap they send with it? Yes, it does snap right in two. Get some of this and some of that. All 1/4x20 so it comes in handy even if you don't need it.
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now, on the rinnut deal, once you get a sense for the feel of it, it is pretty simple. Do not be tempted to over tighten it. You can feel as it tightens. Just as it tightens, about 1/8 turn beyond that and you are good. I used an impact wrench.
Which brings me to the next gripe on the Lund Product. All told it is about $600 +- At that price point they should sport an extra Rivnut or two. Cause you gonna end up breaking a bolt in one. Drilling one out, etc etc. I went through three. Fastanal does not stock them. Maybe Grainger? IDK. My solution? The little square spring loaded nut. Standard 1/4 x 20 size. Drill the hole a bit bigger, snap into place and it blows a Rinvut out of the water. Get some.
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On this application they use a hole that is big. They provide a molly bolt thing. Yep, broke one of them too. Get the round insert and a longer bolt at the ACE.
Most folks seem to freak on cutting the liner. Easy peasy. Make certain you have one of these:
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The cut is not as precise as you might think.
All in all I am well pleased with the product. Just wish they would pack a few more bits of hardware for the oh shit moments. You will have oh shit moments.
All four sides now done.
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Tomorrow, off to Phoenix to get the cool accessory.
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Obviously rivnuts are smarter than yummi...................................... rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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0BTW,,,,,,,,,,,your rig and trailer is looking very classy!!!!!! I'm liking it.
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Obviously rivnuts are smarter than yummi...................................... rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Almost. They require a deft touch. Once you figure out the feel, it is easy. Trouble is that requires blowing through a few of them first. Ehh.... Life lessons. Besides what fun is it if there is nothing to bitch about?
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0BTW,,,,,,,,,,,your rig and trailer is looking very classy!!!!!! I'm liking it.
Thanks,
Tomorrow should be good. We will see.....
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Almost. They require a deft touch. Once you figure out the feel, it is easy. Trouble is that requires blowing through a few of them first. Ehh.... Life lessons. Besides what fun is it if there is nothing to bitch about?
So ,that's why you refused to buy a proper rivnut tool!!!!! 8) eyes rofl
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Sounds like the rivnut=woman?? Atleast accord to Yummi. rofl rofl
Jeep looks good, cant wait to see the trailer. Oh and some of the "outta da way camping spots". ;) ;)
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I think you're going to need to step up to a nice rig to tow it.
May I make a suggestion?
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OH,DW,that is cool!!!!! I think yummi was shooting for something a bit more compact though.
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Seriously cool DW.
For a while I contemplated a similar trailer. Mount a camper to fifth wheel and have open deck. Seems like a good call? Other than weight transfer, which could be a workaround, seems like an ideal set up?
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You could get a real fancy class 8 to pull it and weight would not be an issue. Lol
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To get a fancy class 8 I would need a loan from you. I would default. Then I would demand that I keep the fancy ride because it was only "fair." You would not want it back anyways, I will have a mural of Catlyn Jenner and other "heroes" on it. Oh, and it would smell like ass. No reason, just have hygiene issues.
Still a good plan?
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You could get a real fancy class 8 to pull it and weight would not be an issue. Lol
^^^^^^ DW's daily driver.
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http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/933732-48-crawler-hauler-build-up.html (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/tow-rigs-trailers/933732-48-crawler-hauler-build-up.html)
this guy did a nice job
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Well, managed to get the trailer back from Phoenix. Absolute deluge on the way home. Generally no big deal, but well, the top is off. Tarps, bungee cords and drive real fast. I was wet to say the least.
Too the new trailer out for a few "glamour shots" in its "natural environment." Pictures were only 6.5 miles from the house. Will spend the week getting it ready / rigged and see what next weekend has in store.
Already have a few changes planned. Need to move battery box so rear gate opens up better. Paint fenders to match the Jeep. Was supposed to get matching wheels yesterday, but well that got put off for a week due to delay at trailer place on brake controller install. So, wheels to match jeep in a week, spare, and first camping adventure.
It seems to do well over rocks, creeks, etc. Pintel hitch no doubt helps.
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Got a call from Don @ RPM Fab. Rear bumper / carrier is done. Don't know if I can fit that in next week, but will be on / done with bumper, carrier, rack and full skids sooner than later.
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Where's the AC?
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They do make a contraption for the AC. I guess it would be "AC Contraption?" Course then you need generator.
Mostly the AC is a fantastic fan and me being smart enough not to go places that are hot.
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You live in Az. Is there anyplace not hot?
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Plenty of places have mild summer in AZ. It is currently 80* at my house. Should drop to 62* tonight. 70 and 50* less than 20 miles away. Arizona is an elevation game. Over 100 in the valley today.
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He doesn't live down in the skillet called Phoenix...............
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Yeah, My moms place in cave creek was usually 15* cooler than downtown PHX.
Flagstaff is down right nice in the summer.
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Plenty of places have mild summer in AZ. It is currently 80* at my house. Should drop to 62* tonight. 70 and 50* less than 20 miles away. Arizona is an elevation game. Over 100 in the valley today.
I had no idea! 96 here today.
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I'm thinking of cooling my pool. Water 91*.
I woulda thought in Arizona ac was mandatory in everything too. Dry heat I guess.
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carl another 13* and that's a big hot tub lol
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Wowsers 91* in a pool? Heck, we keep our hot tub at 101*.
Lots of misconception about Arizona. Dry, hot, etc.
Figured maybe as many on Kansas? It can't be as flat as they say right? Come to find out "Mt. Sunflower" is 4,039'. Dang that is nose bleed.
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Mount Sunflower is 3,360 feet above the state's lowest point near Coffeyville, Kansas.
Maybe somebody needs to loose some weight........ rofl
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Wowsers 91* in a pool? Heck, we keep our hot tub at 101*.
Lots of misconception about Arizona. Dry, hot, etc.
Figured maybe as many on Kansas? It can't be as flat as they say right? Come to find out "Mt. Sunflower" is 4,039'. Dang that is nose bleed.
I guarantee you there are states flatter than Kansas. On my way to anywhere , 90% of the hardest hills to pull are right here in Kansas within 100 miles of my house.
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Maybe somebody needs to loose some weight........ rofl
LMAO LMAO LMAO
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Not possible to leave well enough alone. Heck no. Something else to "improve."
So, trailer was IMHO screaming for black fenders. Besides, it will match the jeep. Also put some edge wrap on the fenders. The square fenders already gigged me once. On a scale of one to meat hook, they were pretty well meat hooks. May fall off, may not. If it spares our legs just once; good call. Will wait for it to cure and throw some wax on them.
Also installed a disconnect switch for the battery. Seemed odd not to have a way to totally shut off the "house" power when stored. Problem solved. Tender / charger lead as well.
More mods later this week no doubt.
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My silicon skills clearly need work. LMAO
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Painting the fenders black was a good move for sure. Much nicer. Were they galvanized steel to start with? If so,did you use a galvanized metal primer or a paint made specifically for galvanized metal?
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Painting the fenders black was a good move for sure. Much nicer. Were they galvanized steel to start with? If so,did you use a galvanized metal primer or a paint made specifically for galvanized metal?
Probably aluminum..... Why not plasti cote?
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definitely looks better black.
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Aluminum. Appeared to be raw. Sand, primer then paint. Would have been nice if they came black. Whatever. Sarcasm
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Probably aluminum..... Why not plasti cote?
Not a fan of that stuff. Thought about a texture / liner product. Ehh. This is easy to redo ifin I want / need to.
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Not to rain on your parade but if it was either galv or aluminum,it's gonna peel in a few months unless right primer/paint was used.The label would say if compatible. if no mention,,,,,,,,,,,,,,well,it looks great now.
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Fortunately for me I got the can that said "aluminum primer." I fully expect them to take a beating and just as fully expect they will get touched up. Their placement in relation to the wheels on the jeep, yeah, going to be rock catchers. Maybe why they use unfinished aluminum?
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I should have known you did your research. Cool. The black really makes the jeep and trailer look like they were made for each other. Get the matching wheels on it and -wow!
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Aluminum most be treated to open up the pores to accept paint, be it chemfilm or anodize. If it was an etching primer it may stick for a while...........
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looks like you had a great time
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OK,
Time for some mods to the trailer. Need some input. Next week I will get the rear bumper / new tire carrier installed. Nothing will occur till then. I suspect it might raise the rear spare tire a bit on the Jeep.
My issue is 20 #'s of stuff in a 15 # space. As it sits now I have very limited access to the rear of the Jeep. Just about enough for the fat dog to jump in. Had figured I would need to relocate the battery box. Then mounted the trailer spare to the tongue and it is worse.
Thinking of doing a double decker set up. Lay the spare flat, battery and small tool box on one side. Second level, drink chest, spare water, and our little "loo" bucket.
Any ideas? Better ides?
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Ah,the misery of limited space. I know it well. You'll figure it out,just be sure it fits YOUR needs. Everybody has their own level of inconvenience they are willing to tolerate.
Your trail rig and trailer is the cats ass for what you are doing!!!
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in one of the earlier pics you posted of your camper i saw a tow hitch in an ankle buster position in the center of the rear. why not just buy a second one and mount them both at the outer edges and then make a stake in cargo carrier for the rear with handles that can be removed for the night while you are cooking in the rear kitchen? it will hold a lot more of your supplies than the front. if you put all of your fuel up front it will easily counter balance the cargo off the rear. use 2- 4" drop hitch's flipped over for height and weld the rack to those. that way you know it won't bottom out though the wash outs and dips.
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There is a shin knocker back there. I had not thought of that idea. From what I read on the other forums, it has very limited capacity. Hmmmm.....
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by using two hitch's it won't wobble like the hitch mounted cargo platforms do and with two i'm sure it would hold 500 lbs? prob more than your going to add to it but easy to pull out and set out of the way with out a pyramid of containers up front.
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and if you really want to get fancy then make it like a swing out spare tire carrier like on the old fords or hatch back suv's. put your storage rack on the outside and a flip down counter top on the other for food prep or what ever since you really don't have much space while your cooking. thin piece of ss flat or perferated sheeting would make a nice weather proof counter top. 3 lock points for the arm is easy enough as well. shut, half open and wide open.
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Hmmmm, were you thinking extend the hitch at the pintel and place a basket there? I was thinking maybe use the other hitch.
Problem with "cargo basket" at rear of jeep is two fold. First, no real height. Second would jack with my departure angles.
The trailer does have a little receiver hitch on the back. I figure it is not good for much. Tucked under the fold, and then has a very limited weight rating.
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Going to wait for new bumper on Jeep this week and kind of sort it out from there. In the meantime, I had to change up my cargo rack. Vent would not open enough to be of any use. Fortunately the dog was gas free that night. Cut and cap. Thought I had some strap here at the house to box it out. Guess not, will have to remember to get some. Should not be a problem as everything that goes up there is fairly light weight and sits transverse to the intact bars. So thinking load should disperse fine.
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Got to sort the kitchen area a bit as well.
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Your trail rig and trailer is the cats ass for what you are doing!!!
Thanks. Hopefully it will get us we want to go. Nice being the only folks around for miles and miles. The little stretch we took? Not many people beyond 1.5 miles deep. We went in 9.5 miles towards a canyon. Saw one other jeep back there. Day tripper as we were pulling out.
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Any ideas? Better ides?
Sink the battery (ies) down in the center of the tongue against the wall of the trailer. They can hang a little below the frame rails. Spare flat as close to center/far back as you can and still get the jack to flip up. Double deck over bat(s).
Or, extend the tongue a little...........
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Hmmmm, were you thinking extend the hitch at the pintel and place a basket there? I was thinking maybe use the other hitch.
Problem with "cargo basket" at rear of jeep is two fold. First, no real height. Second would jack with my departure angles.
The trailer does have a little receiver hitch on the back. I figure it is not good for much. Tucked under the fold, and then has a very limited weight rating.
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no i was saying to remove that hitch and buy another to match. then mount those hitch's on both sides of the rear ( nothing in the center to wack you ankles on) so that 2 hitch's are supporting the weight and keeping the rack from teetering backing and fourth like they do on a single. might want a hitch that holds more than that stock one does imo. any place that sells trailer supplies has the square tubes you can make your own hitch out of. if you use a 4" drop stinger as i suggested and flip it over to mount your rack to then it would lift it 4" higher than your hitch and get your gc back for those departure angles or bumps. easy to pull out and set on the side while you cook or the swing hitch as i also suggested. since your not carrying tounge weight with it and are using 2 reciever hitch's then you could stack the square tube to gain another 3" of gc if you really thought it needed it. easy to build really.
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I see what you are saying now. Might be an option. My concern would be having to remove the rack, etc prior to access of that area. So, a swing away could be the cats meow. Specially if I got a little fold down table on the inside face for the bbq? Do you think the weight would transfer to the second mount point on a swing away? Or would the weight transfer be just on on side with the other receiver hitch just as a locking point?
Hmmmm....
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one side would have to be a lot stronger than the other for sure especially when it's opened. but while locked for transport the second side would take it's fair share of abuse lol but pulling a rack and setting in on the ground with your wife helping wouldn't be too hard. the swing away would be nice and sort of a dual purpose.
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of course you might want to find out or crawl underneath and look at the sticker on the axle to see what size axle you have as the camper gets heavier it might be overloading the axle and leaf springs. if there is one thing camper manufacturers are good at is building one step below min!
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So, went down to Phoenix today to fetch the Jeep. On the way home got caught up in a thunderstorm. Tarp, and wait. I was soaked.
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As you can likely tell, the purpose was to pick up the RPMFab bumper.
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They did some custom work to their typical set up and added Rotopax cans. Two gallons of water, two gallons of fuel. That is two more gallons of each than before.
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Also had them make a small basket. Holds two lawn chairs and a folding table just perfect. Will also be a great place to keep the tarp!
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Now, one thing buggies has taught me is that anything with heim joints gets to be pricey quickly. It is not like the things are knees for old folks, but dang!
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In any event, they look pretty and allow for compound movements.
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So why does that matter? Easy. The gate swings with the tire rack. One hand. Here is my better half, trying it out. She was on a hill. Little heavier than stock, but bees knees not to have a separate latch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bdHVDCAB_U&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bdHVDCAB_U&feature=youtu.be)
To the bumper we added led cubes via Rigid.
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The bumper has 1" recovery points thru welded for strength and uses the factory hitch to maintain the factory tow rating.
Pretty dang pleased with it!
So, while there I also went for a full Artec skid system. 1/4" Alum. A Poision Spyder Evap skid as well.
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I can now go bash rocks!
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Time to go get it muddy like the rest of the Jeep.
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Cool,very cool.
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Ya looks cool BUT! Where is the vertical load restraint? Your two little turn buckle's with the rod ends and fancy plated rods are not doing anything for the vertical restraint of the weight. They are helping with the lateral force when you stop and go but all the vertical weight is being held up by the one hinge at the side. The rod end's are meant to swivel for misalignment. All the weight of the spare,tanks,jack and rack with the table and chairs is on the one hinge on the bumper. Or am I not seeing something else in the picture?
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I am all ears, err, eyes, if you can figure out a way to accomplish that. A portion of the weight also appears to be supported by the stock gate hinge. To the extent they are designed for the tire weight that seems appropriate?
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hmmmmmm,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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So, I was in the shower thinking about Fast. That sounds bad. Do over.
So I was in the shower thinking about this. The only thought I came up with is a urethane ball sliding into a pocket on the opposite side of the pivot. Think adjustable furniture leg. Even a skateboard wheel that slips into a channel? Mounted vertically on the drivers side?
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I am all ears, err, eyes, if you can figure out a way to accomplish that. A portion of the weight also appears to be supported by the stock gate hinge. To the extent they are designed for the tire weight that seems appropriate?
You said it, the hinge's are designed for the spare tire only. You have added the weight of at least one more spare and a jack. The constant bonce up and down if going to take it's toll on the door hinge's.
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You saw the pivot on the bumper?
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You saw the pivot on the bumper?
Yes I can see the pivot on the bumper. That's like your wife trying to wear a size A bra, Something is going to snap when she go's to bouncing out across the rough terrain. drowning In all actuality that pivot is the only thing holding the weight. The two rod's with the rod end's are not doing anything to support any vertical weight, only the pin.
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What your going to need is something that will pick up the weight of the tire,gas,water and rack. Something the run's from the bottom of the rack to the top of something on the door. Still going to have all the weight on the door but would help. Also could have brace run from the rack down to the hitch. Have some kind of a bracket on the hitch that the new rack could like slid over and rest the weight.
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I see what you see fast but can't really see an easy fix.
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You're on the right track Yummi. Something on the other end to support the weight of the rack when locked in position. Since the rack and the gate swing on different archs, the single pivot on the bumper will still support the weight when opened.
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Fast, I get what you are saying, like a gate tension wire. Without a vertical on the hinge side, I am somewhat stymied. Best that could be done is top hinge to lower gate. Still places all the weight on the hinge?
Did some looking. My idea is a essentially a "gate caster" with a fixed caster, not swivel. Don't know if spring loaded would be rq. or if adjustable via thread and jamb nut would be better?
Here are some gate caster ideas.
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Here is a bed caster idea with no spring.
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Been thinking about this today while laying rock. I think you need a "latch side" support coming off the bumper. Doesn't need to be fancy,just something for the rack to rest on when closed. Something like the pivot but used as a steady rest.
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I have always just put a latch on the end that supports the spare and keeps it in place. I think the back and forth motion will wear on the stock latch. If you support the other end, that pivot will be fine.
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Thats a hefty pivot and probably fine for street use and I dont think it need any support when parked. But the bounce and jar of offroad can/will tear up the most well thoughtout design. So I'd vote for a solid support latch type thing. Even better if it didnt have to "latch" cause then you'd have 2 latches to undo to open the door. Just a solid rest spot after a long day of wheeling, cause that bracket will be tired. ;D
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This is what I have pictured in my foggy mind. You mite have to make the support bracket taller or put something on the bottom of the tire rack to accommodate this. Any way this is what I am seeing.
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Same here fast.
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I will grab better pictures.
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Maybe work with this bracket? Turn it up right with a resting shoe bolted on it?
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OK Fast, I have been pondering. I think I came up with a way to do it. Will work on that project next week or so.
So, the trailer. Hooked it up with the new bumper and even less space for the fat dog than before. Really needed to reconfigure the tongue area. The spare tire hit the battery box. Then it would hit the spare on the trailer. Got a couple of quotes for guys to chop chop weld weld. Now I appreciate a strong skill set. I have no trouble paying for a strong skill set. Yikes. You would have thunk I asked these guys to build a space shuttle.
So, I tackled it myself. It has been over 25 years since I even attempted welding. The auto dark hood? Best shit in the last decade. That was always the hard part for me. Had to buy a welder. Nothing fancy. Flux core 110v. The thing did the trick! It is fused. I would not trust my life with my welding abilities, but for this? It should hold up well.
I am pleased with the results. Not exactly what I wanted as I know my limitations so I reconfigured it to match my skill set. I also have a "next time." I have manged to move the crap back so the tail gate opens, the dog can get into the Jeep, and the crap fits. Surprisingly I did not burn myself. I did not fling shit into my eyes while grinding, etc. (Got a face shield just for Fabr - wore it too!) So for less than 1/2 of the prices folks were saying I spent a day, have some new toys for the box, and have something that will work. Will paint it tomorrow and work on getting it buttoned up.
I will post pictures up later. Right now I am pooped.
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Good job yummi!!! We are proud of you now. Feels pretty good doing it yourself doesn't it?
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glad you got it done yourself but after looking at the pics i am still wondering why that company built that the way they did when they have that massive steel bumper with tons more room for a far better hinge support!
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I see no downside to your idea on the caster.
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anything to stabilize that end is better than nothing! but looks like it should work. a spring loaded caster will just allow for some bounce still though. i don't see a spring loaded in your drawing just the pics you posted earlier but still.
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;D ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-saRmIESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-saRmIESE)
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anything to stabilize that end is better than nothing! but looks like it should work. a spring loaded caster will just allow for some bounce still though. i don't see a spring loaded in your drawing just the pics you posted earlier but still.
I cant figure out a spring load with adjustment both up and down. The goal is to have it slide onto the bumper, just make contact, as the gate shuts. I fear with a spring it would want to extend when the gate is opened? And I am still left with figuring it out.
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No spring . A spring would not be a bit better than the pivot all by itself. The caster,if that is what you decide upon, needs to be positive height adjustment(threaded shaft if you feel adjustment is desirable) with no give.
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OK,
So here is the trailer rework. The goal was to make the gate have more room to open. When the new bumper was installed it resulted in less than 11" of "open width" Not really enough room for the doggy to get in. Did not get a picture of that.
Here is before:
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There was dead space and the spare even with old carrier would hit. Just barley enough for hoodlum to jump in.
So, I figured the tire and battery needed to move backwards. The cargo rack stymied that idea on the tire. Decided to cut rack in half. Made 11" wide rear rack for extra water, battery and loo. Allowed the tire to move backwards towards the box. Then, using the rest of the salvage rack, filled in the front to carrier a chest on what was previously unused open space.
It allows the gate to open wide enough for fido. He can have an extra cookie now.
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The "next time" was this area. The rear support is sq tube 1" with brace. The weight (Battery and water) is primarily over the main rails. Well, when I got to the front needed to check jack clearance. No bueno. So front is mounted using 2" angle to allow enough height for clearance of the jack. Guess I should of checked that before using tube on the lower.
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When doing this I realized that the tire needs to be moved up some. Ideally I would have laid the spare flat inside the tongue, and built a rack over it. It had a few rocks in the treads. So, I will try to raise it. There is about 4" inside of the wheel to play with vertically.
Maybe plate? Straight up?
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No spring . A spring would not be a bit better than the pivot all by itself. The caster,if that is what you decide upon, needs to be positive height adjustment(threaded shaft if you feel adjustment is desirable) with no give.
I figure it needs to adjust. Hence the threaded rod. I was thinking fixed caster as opposed to shopping cart whirly style. Simple arc.
Short of bringing a cross bar over to other side of bumper, is there a better way?
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I believe from what you are saying you have a good plan of what to do. Sounds good to me.
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looks good
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Ordered these up a while back. They were sitting in my garage for a bit. Now I can bash rocks.
Before and after pictures attached. As always the dog was none too impressed with the project. I like them because you can keep the Rubi Rails.
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Got around to doing the hinges / gate issue. The one thing I really liked about this carrier design was the single latch. As everybody pointed out, it was likely an issue waiting to happen.
Two fold solution. First new hinges. (I still have to do the bottom, that has a lot of stuff to be removed; not this weekend.)
Here is the stock hinge. Curious they paint after hinge install. Might have to hit that area with some form of paint?
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Old vs. New
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Old detail:
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New detail
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The second area to address was the vertical support of the weight on the outside of the gate. Again, really like single latch operation. So a "gate caster" seemed to be the solution.
Used some non skid tape to protect the bumper from the wheel.
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Adjusted it to just touch with the spare off. Then, when the spare was placed on, it seems to be just about perfect to support some weight on the outside of the gate.
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Cant really see it unless you look.
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Not visible at all:
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We will see if it works / holds up. I think it will. Will likely have to adjust it once the wheel wears a bit, etc.
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perfect.
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Jeesh, been a while. You would have thought I had forgot about this adventure. Now I don't really know if these work. I figure anything that can let heat escape from under the hood must have some function? Besides, I like they way a louvered hood looks. Lots of options; decided on the Poison Spider unit.
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Trying for some trail time this weekend in Sedona. Hope that works out.
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Well ,this site is desert/TRAIL/sand fab. I think this build fits right in perfectly. Nice ,very nice,trail rig,yummi.
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Very cool,yummi! Very well done also. Not knocking anything you did/do but a person would think that Fox,King,Bilstein etc could figure out a better way to mount the resis than fooking hose clamps.
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Of course they do, but I spaced it off. It would be nice if a manufacture set you up right from the get go.
Just one more way to gig you for money. Will add it to the list.
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Of course they do, but I spaced it off. It would be nice if a manufacture set you up right from the get go.
Just one more way to gig you for money. Will add it to the list.
Exactly my point.