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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => "AP" Member Project Logs => Topic started by: dsrace on February 08, 2010, 10:34:02 PM
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I just converted another beam buggy to long travel a-arm! this time for a friend here in my garage. the front suspension cradle is the same as I use in the mini's and my v-6 but pretty universal if you have to time to bleed it in. here are few pics for all but especially for those looking for some idea's to soften up there beam buggy's! the first pic is of myself and ( deano ) the owner of this last conversion in shane ( our transaxle builders) rail, that was the last one I converted personally last year. dean was throwing a bbq party so I drove and hour and a half just to eat his food! the next few may not be in order so use your imaginations. ;D
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he went from 8" hard inches to 24" smooth ones with 26" ground clearance at full droop. the front end does have 1/16" total toe in through a 24" stroke and does produce a 2 degree camber arc with the unequal length a-arms ( upper 1.5" shorter ) and last but not least set at 10 degrees caster.
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That looks great!
There have been times when I wish I had 8 hard inches, but never in a buggy. I know, I had to go there. rofl
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Deano is a happy man!
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Ahhh,life in the northern states. Gives time for great improvements. Really good to see the stuff DS can do also. Great job guys!
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Looking good!
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Ahhh,life in the northern states. Gives time for great improvements. Really good to see the stuff DS can do also. Great job guys!
Ya ! I know and as soon as the ground thaws I am the first guy to running water and an inside toeilet in my house up round these parts! LMAO rofl rofl eyes ;)
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system won't let me ad to the previous post for some reason.but ya he is happy
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yea it has been ridiculously cold here in nebraska, atleast in our part. sucks. about that running wanter and inside toliet, funny..
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Well,it's sure thawed out here. Bottom has fallen out of all the roads and everything is a soupy muddy mess. Oops ,it's freezing again. Well,better than mud.
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yea sunday it was 41 degrees here so it was a slopppy slush hole, then the next moring it was 4.... now my driveway and lane are like mini antartica.
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LOL!!!!!
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it's no better south of you down here hour and 45 south. I am ready for some son and dryer weather! so I can go have some fun!! ;D
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Just had to start the snow blower today after a month of it sitting idle.
Hey DS, The best part of that conversion is the welding on the uprights, The weld inserts, and the mirror clamps that you still need to put back on!!!
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Just had to start the snow blower today after a month of it sitting idle.
Hey DS, The best part of that conversion is the welding on the uprights, The weld inserts, and the mirror clamps that you still need to put back on!!!
I know we all stood around for an hour looking at them! ;D they are damn nice though and I do enjoy the mirrors they make a difference and this is why I stick with the worlds best machinest sorry. rofl
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is there a happy ending to this story? :P Like will I ever be able to machine stuff for myself? drowning rofl
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is there a happy ending to this story? :P Like will I ever be able to machine stuff for myself? drowning rofl
ok ok ok your the guy! ;)
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I thought I was "The Man"! No sticking it to the man here! rofl
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Cool. Very jealous. I still ponder if i should sell my coil over car or just convert it. Then I ponder some more.
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Send it to DS! Problem solved.
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Cool. Very jealous. I still ponder if i should sell my coil over car or just convert it. Then I ponder some more.
you could always just buy the suspension cradle kit and bend up the frame tubes as you go! I won't have the next bunch done for a bit.
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Send it to DS! Problem solved.
;D I would like to think so!
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I'm vary happy with the conversion DS did on mine. I just got to get my DAMN king shocks dialed in !!! 9:
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Should have went FOX kick
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I got some parts coming from fox that I'm going to modify for my kings . I'm going to make sure they don't fly apart again ! Hey ,I'll have to call them the fox king !! rofl rofl
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kinda sounds like fah king rofl
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we shouldn't knock king shocks after all they are top quality, for several reasons a. they are expensive b. well ah ah um I guess there is just the one!
trans man just kidding ya! lol we will get your shocks figured out even though king doesn't want to help you too much!
trans man you should post up the conversation you had with the king guys?
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OMG!
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we will get your shocks figured out even though king doesn't want to help you too much!
trans man you should post up the conversation you had with the king guys?
You guys just live to F'ing far away. We've had King come out to Barstow to dial in vehicles several times. BTW, Brett isn't who you want tuning your shocks, Iribe is........
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It's not really the tune that he's unhappy about. Post those pics up trans or DS.
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I just got off the phone with KING (after 2 hours) about my shocks and I'm much happier now. ;D ;D ;D The guy I talked to the first time named Mike (F##K FACE) , basically told me to go f##k myself and there was nothing he would do about my air shock flying apart after only 30 hours of ride time. I wanted to pull him through the phone and kick
Tonight I talked to Bret and he is going to do a warranty claim for me. There is some up graded parts for both my shocks and the parts for my broke shock are all coming free of charge! The only thing I have to pay for is, .my new valving and one seal kit. Bret took the time to explain the different valving options and how they work for both my 2.0 10" air shocks and 2.5 16" coil over shocks. I'm confident that the suspension on my car is going to be a HOLE LOT BETTER!
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we shouldn't knock king shocks after all they are top quality, for several reasons a. they are expensive b. well ah ah um I guess there is just the one!
trans man just kidding ya! lol we will get your shocks figured out even though king doesn't want to help you too much!
trans man you should post up the conversation you had with the king guys?
B. There customer service, Bret redeemed them tonight. He is the only guy from there I will deal with for now on!
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the best part you left out! while talking to brett the two of you discovered that when your shocks were put together they installed the compression and rebound stack on the wrong sides! LMAO and two of the changes they have made to the shock is gotten rid of the standard steel washer under the main nut and went to a hardened one, also got rid of the standard non locking nut and went to a locking one!
after hearing the conversation you had with mike ( from trans man ) I wouldn't buy shocks from that company! now after hearing what brett is doing for you I do agree he has redeemed their name as far as customer service goes! I am still a die hard fox shock guy though!
here is a pic of the inside of the 2.0 king shock trans man sent me on his phone and a couple of the inside of a fox 2.0 on my rail while I was re-valving mine.
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Brett is the man at King to talk to IMO! After my trip to LS, my 2.0 air shock valving is right on the money! ;D ;D ;D My 2.5 coilovers on the rear are close, but I'm going to have to tweak them a little more. All and all I'm very happy from what I had before. 8) 8) 8)
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The spring you see in the fox pics from DS, is what my kings look like now. I remove the King aluminum puck and install a fox spring in its place. A huge improvement for a little modification !!! 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Looks like fun. :P
So with the proper tools, how long does it take start to finish to make a valving change?
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10 minutes
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Looks like fun. :P
So with the proper tools, how long does it take start to finish to make a valving change?
About 1 hour, by the time you figure in removal and reinstalling both shocks. 8) 8) 8)
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yep,unless you have a lot of preload screwed into the springs if running coilovers.
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King 2.5 piggy-backed coilover are a son of a b!tch to get all the air bleed out of them! Air shocks are a piece of cake to do 8) 8) 8)
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Bleed them before you install the springs next time.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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Bleed them before you install the springs next time.
The problem is not allowing any air to get back in before bottom seal cap installed
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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I will soon post a new thread with all of king shocks info on valving and oil levels for DTS (the non fox lovers) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I got your non fox lover right here pal!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO LMAO rofl rofl
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LOL!!! I had to give you guys some sh!t back! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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ok one the guys at the dunes with us is giving his rail a face lift but he wanted my old design front end kit. one his buddies bought one years back and he likes it better than the new design which trans man and deano currently run as well as many others. I will post more pics as he ( sam ) sends them to me but here are a couple of his kit for now.
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Got a side by side of new and old?
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how is this.
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Sam should have went with the new style kit. IMO, more wheel travel capable and better wheel geometry. I love mine, its taken a beating and held up beautifully! 8) 8) 8)
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oh i agree but he and apparently a few other pre-fer the older style since I am building more!
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hmmmmm.....................
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I have 4 more calls on the front end kits. just for the record I have told all that have inquired about the old style that it does have some bump about 1/2" toe change ( through a 18 - 20" stroke ) and it only has a 1/2* camber change, 8* caster and that you will most likely need to spread or squeeze your frame around to make it fit for the wheel base desired if possible! it does take about 10 - 12 hrs to install. I am not a fan of the old kit that is why I changed the design because of the rake on the out side frame rail it is limiting to what can be done right!!
I have told all now that new kit where it does take more time to install (about 30 - 40 hrs if you want it square with the rear ) is the most universaly fitting. this kit also has 1/16" bump ( toe in ) through a 26" stroke with a 3* camber change as well as 10* caster. this is the better kit for performance.
I was recently told that I am to concerned with perfection when no one really cares that is why I will sell more of the old style than the new! I was a little shocked but can see it but I never expected to be flat out told that! I know most of the venders out there anymore care more for quantity rather than quality and the consumer for the most part except this as well just the way it is but that's not right!
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I was recently told that I am to concerned with perfection when no one really cares that is why I will sell more of the old style than the new! I was a little shocked but can see it but I never expected to be flat out told that! I know most of the venders out there anymore care more for quantity rather than quality and the consumer for the most part except this as well just the way it is but that's not right!
[/quote] WOW!!! :o :o :o :o That just tells me that there's alot of people out there selling products that take no PRIDE in there work and are only worried about profit for them selves! To me that's total bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1
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you see it far too often!
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I see it ALL the time in my line.
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People don't know what they want. We sell some "distressed finish" stands at work. So they look all scratched up. Customers bring them back because there is a scratch that is not in pattern with the others. So it looked to old and had real patina! drowning drowning drowning
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rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl That's bs1 bs1 bs1 LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO You just can't win sometimes! rofl rofl rofl rofl
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dune don't stop there tell them about the people that want help loading a flat screen on its face after you told them not to!
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dune don't stop there tell them about the people that want help loading a flat screen on its face after you told them not to!
?? You talking Plasma or LCD or what?
When my 53 inch projection TV went bad (under warrenty thank goodness) they layed it down on its face on a flat surface on a blanket and told me thats how they hauled those kind. It returned to me in the same manner.
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I don't believe the projection screens are flat. I still have a 60" rear projection, the last year they made them and love it but the flat screens definitely have there place. the flat screens are not supposed to be layed down dune will tell you why.
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Ok boys and girls, an LCD, LED can be laid down on back or front if supported and on a soft surface. A plasma tv should NEVER BE TRANSPORTED IN ANY POSTION BUT UP RIGHT!. Now I am sure you want to know why. First it has nothing to do with gas. It is because the glass panel is not supported like in the LCD or LED and will often crack. Warranty will not cover this. If you get one that is broken I hope the store you got it from loaded it. We have taken some back in but with the box and had to claim as a shipping damage. The LCD's are composed of several panels that reach from top to bottom and LED are similar. That said my company has transported some laying down in a box we maid with foam rubber lining it and never damaged one doing it this way. The screen is fully supported by the rubber. We do this as a last resort!
None or them should ever be stacked on while laying down for transport. When we get them in the small ones can come stacked on each other but other than that they all come upright!
Plasma will show motion the best and have the greatest field of view. LCD and LED are best for rooms with a lot of sunlight as they are brighter.
Go to www.schaeferstv.com we have some FAQ's on the site.
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Ok boys and girls, an LCD, LED can be laid down on back or front if supported and on a soft surface. A plasma tv should NEVER BE TRANSPORTED IN ANY POSTION BUT UP RIGHT!. Now I am sure you want to know why. First it has nothing to do with gas. It is because the glass panel is not supported like in the LCD or LED and will often crack. Warranty will not cover this. If you get one that is broken I hope the store you got it from loaded it. We have taken some back in but with the box and had to claim as a shipping damage. The LCD's are composed of several panels that reach from top to bottom and LED are similar. That said my company has transported some laying down in a box we maid with foam rubber lining it and never damaged one doing it this way. The screen is fully supported by the rubber. We do this as a last resort!
None or them should ever be stacked on while laying down for transport. When we get them in the small ones can come stacked on each other but other than that they all come upright!
Plasma will show motion the best and have the greatest field of view. LCD and LED are best for rooms with a lot of sunlight as they are brighter.
Go to www.schaeferstv.com we have some FAQ's on the site.
COOL!!! That's some real good information. 8) 8) 8)
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I'm still sad that Pioneer pulled the plug on their plasmas. I wanted me a nice 62 inch Kuro...
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All I need to know is which is best for video games so you get a good picture but no screen burn in.
I already know its not the rear projection TV! ;D
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i really like the dlp tvs..still projection, but not near as thick as the "big screen" tv's people think of when you say projection...imo the picture seems more real, no artifacts..
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LCD's burn in, Plasmas don't. DLPs have a light bulb in them that will go out. Never put a DLP on a switched outlet. There is a fan that cools the bulb while on and after you shut it off. I would Highly recommend a 5 year extended warranty on a DLP a bulb replacement start at about $300 and go up from there. They also have a light engine that often goes out with the bulb. Not uncommon to see a $700-800 dollar bill for a bulb and engine replacement. They will burn in as well. Plasma would be great for watching sports or video games. Plasmas have 600 Hz processor speeds. LCD's etc stop at 240 Hz right now.
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a dlp will burn in? i swear the sales guy said it wouldn"t.. moral not to believe the sales guy? lol
so which one will last the longest and give the least trouble?
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DLPs take a lot longer to burn in but any projection will burn in I have seen in trades and units in for service. For that matter I believe any tv will burn in given time. With the DLP the bulb ballast thing I would rank them on the lower life span be cause of the consumables (light bulb) people just don't want to put the money back in them. I see more LCDs coming back as haul outs than plasmas. LEDs are to new for me to have a real opinion but if LED lights are any indication could be a long lasting set. I can say that tvs that are in smokey places live a shorter life. Smoking is not just bad for people.
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DLPs take a lot longer to burn in but any projection will burn in I have seen in trades and units in for service. For that matter I believe any tv will burn in given time. With the DLP the bulb ballast thing I would rank them on the lower life span be cause of the consumables (light bulb) people just don't want to put the money back in them. I see more LCDs coming back as haul outs than plasmas. LEDs are to new for me to have a real opinion but if LED lights are any indication could be a long lasting set. I can say that tvs that are in smokey places live a shorter life. Smoking is not just bad for people.
So that's why my TV's are always dying! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
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So that's why my TV's are always dying! rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
on the rear projection I have it you take the back off once a year, unplug it first of course! and vacuum it out they last a whole lot longer!
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a few pics of deano's rail after conversion and paint.
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You have to love the way those kits look and perform. It's a clean looking installation! 8) 8) 8)
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I do agree! ;) ;D
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just got a couple of pics from another customer with my front end conversion out of utah.
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Another one coming REAL soon!!! DS does some nice works for sure!
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Another one coming REAL soon!!! DS does some nice works for sure!
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Better get you a Rack Snuggy on that thing first thing.
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when it comes time you will want a rack snuggy, I know I will have to have one on my rails from now on!
keep the pics coming, this is going to be a great conversion soely becuase all I have to do is sit back and watch this one!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
seriuosly this is going to get intersting! ;)
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What the heck is a rock snuggie?
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What the heck is a rock snuggie?
Them there's fighten words Boy. rofl rofl rofl That would be Rack Not Rock.
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Sorry I am on my cell phone!
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Sorry I am on my cell phone!
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Seriously what is it?
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An add on to the center load racks to adjust the slop out. Check with Fast as I dont hink it will fit all racks.
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Seriously what is it?
Here you go Whip.
They repair the worn out jap rack's. built for the end load and center load rack's. Don't fit the hi end 250.00 dollar and up racks but will fit the lower end one's that tend to wear out pretty quick.
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AAHH! I see, nice piece, and it will fix the big scratches UPS put in mine!! Where can I get it?
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AAHH! I see, nice piece, and it will fix the big scratches UPS put in mine!! Where can I get it?
send me a pm
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Here you go Whip.
They repair the worn out jap rack's. built for the end load and center load rack's. Don't fit the hi end 250.00 dollar and up racks but will fit the lower end one's that tend to wear out pretty quick.
the $285 saco high dollar racks wear out just as fast and are just as sloppy as the latest rage brand. I have a good friend that has both the saco and latest rage end load when he bent the rack in the saco he pulled it out and slid the rack out of the latest rage right in and ran it that way for the rest of the year I believe! I am sure latest rage copied the saco but still !!
the rack snuggy is still a plus after some wear time!!
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cool I will keep it in mind!
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An add on to the center load racks to adjust the slop out. Check with Fast as I dont hink it will fit all racks.
Will not fit Gear One racks. THe bastards slightly altered the hole spacing.
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gear one is like king! rofl they are slightly off!! LMAO rofl
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That's a kick in the balls. KING aint that bad! ;)
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None of the shock manf. have the same lengths.
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That's a kick in the balls. KING aint that bad! ;)
rofl rofl
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update pic's ?
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??where??
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The rack snuggie made a night and day difference on my china rack. 8) 8) 8)
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I need a rack snuggy for my saco rack. Has anybody tried to fit one on a saco center load?
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I need a rack snuggy for my saco rack. Has anybody tried to fit one on a saco center load?
Punk
Post up some pictures of your Saco Rack and I'll tell you ifen the Snuggy will fit it. Or Just send me the top and front plate of your rack and I'll build one that will fit it. I also could use a top and front off a Gear one rack so I could match them up with a Sunggy.
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Punk
Post up some pictures of your Saco Rack and I'll tell you ifen the Snuggy will fit it. Or Just send me the top and front plate of your rack and I'll build one that will fit it. I also could use a top and front off a Gear one rack so I could match them up with a Sunggy.
Here is the rack i have. What do you charge for them and what would you charge if a custom needs to be made
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I'm sure Fast needs a top view of the rack. 8) 8) 8)
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Here is the rack i have. What do you charge for them and what would you charge if a custom needs to be made
I don't need a top view to see that there are a lot more bolts holding down that top then on a POS rack.
Same price for the Rack Snuggy. Send me your rack and I'll back engineer it and send it back. I'll even give you a ten percent discount for letting me use it for a pattern. Same goes for anyone that wants to send me a Gear One.
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jj: Dang cant beat that idea. I'm sure a new rack will be one of my next upgrades. bs1 Then the snuggy. Dont think the cheap end load will handle the angle of my new wheel travel.
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Dont think the cheap end load will handle the angle of my new wheel travel.
You will soon find out in 43 days. 8) 8) 8)
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carl it would for a while but wear fast till you got fast's snuggie on it.
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carl your new rack with glenns snuggy looks great!
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finished pics from another customer......beam to a-arm
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I referred a guy to you about a month ago . This wasn't,by chance,him is it? I never heard if he got with you or not.
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I referred a guy to you about a month ago . This wasn't,by chance,him is it? I never heard if he got with you or not.
I haven't heard anything yet.
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Sorry fast,I meant I referred a guy to DS. Did you ever make any Rack Snuggy's for the Gear-One rack? If so,I'd like one though.
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Sorry fast,I meant I referred a guy to DS. Did you ever make any Rack Snuggy's for the Gear-One rack? If so,I'd like one though.
I make several for the gear one stuff. Give me a bolt count and lay out.
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I referred a guy to you about a month ago . This wasn't,by chance,him is it? I never heard if he got with you or not.
no one that said you sent him.....this guy bought his though sand parts.com.....doug is the new owner, anthony sold out 2 years ago i think.
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I make several for the gear one stuff. Give me a bolt count and lay out.
i tell every customer they should buy a rack snuggy and that you make them. i even include pics of mine. they all like them but no one has asked for a phone# so never know if they find you online or just don't add them.
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no one that said you sent him.....this guy bought his though sand parts.com.....doug is the new owner, anthony sold out 2 years ago i think.
That's the guy. The pics he sent me were showing a really effed up kit. Tabs not in line and different left/right side.
Doug who is the new owner?
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doug is the new owner of sandparts. this customer i didn't sell direct too. he just started emailing me. he did ask why the tabs were not lined up. he wasn't looking at it correctly. he took better pics so i could explain what he was actually looking at. the cradle is pitched top to bottom. so where the tabs are rocked up a bit on top it is to line them all back up which front to back can look out of alignment. i do this as on a low side frame there isn't enough clearance for a 1 piece steering shaft. a high side frame plenty of room and it was an easy change to make waaaay back when. even my current and last rail have the same pitch so does enemy's and carls.
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Again,Doug who?
So that's your kit that sandparts sold????
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my mistake it's dale....the new owner of sand part.com. anthony sold out and dale bought his business.
if the guy in the pics bought that from sand parts then yes it's one of mine. he says he did and he did email me personally asking questions about tabs being out of alignment. i explained why and pointed it out via his pics and he understood and finished it. the last set of pics he sent won't open so those are the only two i got in a separate email. he sent me a link where there were a bunch of pics but didn't save he email. my computer flashed up suspicious site so i never looked. but i did email and ask if he could re send and have not heard from him. he registered as a member on this site (username dracer398)....thats all i know.
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ok just went back and looked. that kit drop shipped from myself to that customer last dec 1st. so yes that is one of my kits sand parts sold.
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my mistake it's dale....the new owner of sand part.com. anthony sold out and dale bought his business.
if the guy in the pics bought that from sand parts then yes it's one of mine. he says he did and he did email me personally asking questions about tabs being out of alignment. i explained why and pointed it out via his pics and he understood and finished it. the last set of pics he sent won't open so those are the only two i got in a separate email. he sent me a link where there were a bunch of pics but didn't save he email. my computer flashed up suspicious site so i never looked. but i did email and ask if he could re send and have not heard from him. he registered as a member on this site (username dracer398)....thats all i know.
I referred him to you and told him you would be happy to answer any questions he had. Glad everything worked out well.