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The Machine Shop => Welding/Cutting/Bending/Forming => Topic started by: Reidy02 on February 11, 2011, 01:21:46 AM
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Anyway guys here it is, when I was over in the States I bought a Miller 250dx syncro wave which I thought was a good buy, I get the thing over here and I phone a welding store that handels Miller products, I ask the guy what I have to do to change it over for use here in OZ, he went off said if I pull it apart Miller will come and take me to court, and I'll get a huge fine. So can anyone help? Does anyone know what can be done? Oh I looked on ebay and there are four or so for sale and they all say they're great welders eyes ??? So there has to be something! I also sent an e-mail to a guy and asked the question, he said he would not recomend bringing one from the States as it wouldn't meet the Australian Standards and quoted AS60974.10 so again if anyone can help I would greatly appreciate it thanks.
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What exactly are you trying to do? Make a cord so you can plug it in? I believe synchrowaves all require 220 single phase 50/60 hz. Check the sticker on the back to be sure. If you need a manual for it, you can look it up Miller's website with the model and serial #.
As far as Miller coming after you, I think the guy is full of shit. You imported it for personal use. It's not like you've got a whole container full of them waiting to be sold. eyes I'm not familiar with importing stuff though...
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International conect kit #195 303. Its from miller website.
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Ya,you talked to a POS dealer that is willing to fill you FOS to make an unneeded sale.
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http://www.adaptelec.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&products_id=237 (http://www.adaptelec.com/index.php?main_page=document_general_info&products_id=237) Tell that "dealer" (lying mofo) to stuff himself with himself.
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http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/AD4-2.pdf (http://www.millerwelds.com/pdf/spec_sheets/AD4-2.pdf)
On the last page it states input voltages and hertz. It looks like all syncro wave models are 50/60 hertz compatible. I'd change the plug to the local standard for welders and run it. And I hope you don't have to use the idiot dealer that tried to mislead you.
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Thanks heaps guys! ;D But I did find out that the machines that they sell here have to comply to the Australian Standards, because of the electro magnatic field they emitt. In saying that it not so much the electro magnetic field as much as the effect it has on other appliences, and they said the tele comunications. It probably just needs a rectifier or some shit that costs 2.50 to make but they'll charge me 500 for it and another 700 to install it. eyes
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research it before you believe it.
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Sounds like more bs1 bs1 bs1 to me.
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Yeah me too but our Gumbenment is so easily led, if the pommies say something is not too good for your healh, well it's got to be right eyes and to avoid any legal actions lets jump on it straight away. bs1 kick It shits me to tears.. I tried to have a look at the international connect kit that Carl put up for the Miller site but couldn't actually get on the site. I'll try and have a look again later. Thanks again guys. ;D I managed to get on to the site and had a look but it looks to me to only be the cable ends that conect to the welder. ???
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What exactly are you trying to do? Make a cord so you can plug it in? I believe synchrowaves all require 220 single phase 50/60 hz. Check the sticker on the back to be sure. If you need a manual for it, you can look it up Miller's website with the model and serial #.
As far as Miller coming after you, I think the guy is full of shit. You imported it for personal use. It's not like you've got a whole container full of them waiting to be sold. eyes I'm not familiar with importing stuff though...
In effect Boost, that is what I am trying to do, I want to run it in single phase 240 volt 15 amp, which is what my welder currently runs in. When I was in the States a guy I phoned and asked if this was possible, said yes, as that machine can run plus or minus, I can't remember if he said 20 to 30 % or plus or minus 20 to 30 volts, but yeah he said all I had to do was to change the plug and lead to coincide with our out lets. But because of the friggen Australian Standard bs1 I don't know what else I can or have to do. eyes
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They make some adapters, for when peeps travel, not sure if they do it in that style plug. Not best but better than cutting cord and splicing an end on there with black tape. Dang they have some cords hanging on shelfat local weld shop.
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In this case Reidy, IMO, I think it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission from local government. What kind of voltage/freq do you run in the land of OZ? I'll check with the Chief later today about hooking it up over there, as we have 3 Miller Syncrowaves, and he knows an awful lot about them. That's what he used on the ships in the Navy as well.
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Most welders require a 50 amp service minimum whether . You WILL NOT want to run an adapter on your welder and just plug it into your wall outlet of 15 amps. You'll trip the breaker all the time unless you just weld at very low amps like maybe 30 -40 amps. Oz uses 240V 50Hz in all residential wiring. The US uses 220-240V 50Hz also but not for residential wiring ,we use 120-130V 50Hz. There is NO issue running your US welder in the land of Oz other than you will need a higher capacity 50 amp outlet and the associated 8 Ga. so wiring leading from main panel to the outlet .
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In this case Reidy, IMO, I think it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission from local government. What kind of voltage/freq do you run in the land of OZ? I'll check with the Chief later today about hooking it up over there, as we have 3 Miller Syncrowaves, and he knows an awful lot about them. That's what he used on the ships in the Navy as well.
At the moment I run the welder I have on single phase 240 volt 15 amp, but at a push I could hook it up to 3 phase, but I would perfeer single phase. But as Fabr said that Bs about getting a fine is exactly that. Thanks for the help.
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Most welders require a 50 amp service minimum whether . You WILL NOT want to run an adapter on your welder and just plug it into your wall outlet of 15 amps. You'll trip the breaker all the time unless you just weld at very low amps like maybe 30 -40 amps. Oz uses 240V 50Hz in all residential wiring. The US uses 220-240V 50Hz also but not for residential wiring ,we use 120-130V 50Hz. There is NO issue running your US welder in the land of Oz other than you will need a higher capacity 50 amp outlet and the associated 8 Ga. so wiring leading from main panel to the outlet .
Yeah Fabr I was looking around yesterday and found that there are all sorts of ways to run em you can go 415 volts 60 amps also single phase 240 volts as well as three phase, I guess it would depend on how you want it to perform hey? I just wanted to know what's involved to change it to run, firstly here in OZ, so it's Australian Standards compliant eyes and what I have to do to change it from it's current format to the way I want it hooked up. I mean I know I'll have to change the power plug and chord, and I'm pretty certain I'll have to change something inside the machine, weather or not I'll have to fork over a large sum of cash so as to have it Australian Standards compliant remains to be seen but that's what I'm tipping, cause I really should have been a good boy and gone through a reputable dealer and paid them a large sum of money. :police: rofl
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Just for grins and giggles. What is the normal amperage and voltage and phase(single or 3 phase) used in Oz for residential electric cook stoves?
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Yeah Fabr I was looking around yesterday and found that there are all sorts of ways to run em you can go 415 volts 60 amps also single phase 240 volts as well as three phase, I guess it would depend on how you want it to perform hey? I just wanted to know what's involved to change it to run, firstly here in OZ, so it's Australian Standards compliant eyes and what I have to do to change it from it's current format to the way I want it hooked up. I mean I know I'll have to change the power plug and chord, and I'm pretty certain I'll have to change something inside the machine, weather or not I'll have to fork over a large sum of cash so as to have it Australian Standards compliant remains to be seen but that's what I'm tipping, cause I really should have been a good boy and gone through a reputable dealer and paid them a large sum of money. :police: rofl
No,it will perform the same no matter what input voltage you use.
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No,it will perform the same no matter what input voltage you use.
Ah by that Fabr I ment if you've got like two inch thick plate you have to weld, you surely would need a greater input to be able to weld thicker guage material. A normal power socket is single phase 240 volt 10 amp. I had to have another power point put in my shed/shit filled hole that was single phase 240 volt 15amp for the welder I use now.
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15 amp service limits the crap out of what you can do with the welder. Hell you're limited to about 1/3 of its' capabilities.
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Yeah I sorta figured I'd have to go three phase, but in saying that the welder I use at the moment welds just fine in AC and DC 8)
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Yeah I sorta figured I'd have to go three phase,
Why? What you need is a bigger branch run.
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Hey Boost ya sorta lost me there bud what do you mean? Would I have thicker material to weld on a run of say parts? I really just want to be able to do the thicker stuff if need be, but if it came to that i have an old stick welder I can use, just a bit of pre heating and hit it with the old stick, she'll be right. ;) Actually when I was looking on the Miller site I remember seeing the machines minium thickness it could weld and it's maxium, would that be regardless of the input? Oh what I need is a bigger branch run. Ok you got me what are you talking about? I don't understand.
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Reidy,it is apparent you haven't a clue about electricity. Due to that I'm not going to say anything more than -get an electrician to run a circuit of proper amp capacity before you kill yourself.I've told you all you need to know-IF you understood electricity. Since you don't-HIRE A PRO .
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Reidy,it is apparent you haven't a clue about electricity. Due to that I'm not going to say anything more than -get an electrician to run a circuit of proper amp capacity before you kill yourself.I've told you all you need to know-IF you understood electricity. Since you don't-HIRE A PRO .
You don't think maybe something got lost in the translation ya smartarse! I thought that's what this site was about to help one another!
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You're a half smart little suck too Adam. I never said I knew alot about eletrical stuff no wonder most of the Aussies don't come back to this site! It's not as though you added anything of any value anyway. So don't bother speak'n to me.
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Reidy,it is apparent you haven't a clue about electricity. Due to that I'm not going to say anything more than -get an electrician to run a circuit of proper amp capacity before you kill yourself.I've told you all you need to know-IF you understood electricity. Since you don't-HIRE A PRO .
I'm aware I can change the plug etc but it's still not Australian Standards Compliant and it has to do with the high freq start do you know anything about that Fabr since you seem to know all?
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You don't think maybe something got lost in the translation ya smartarse!
Wasn't trying to be a smart ass at all. There is nothing lost in the translation. The terminlogy is the same here as there. Nothing to translate. You seem determined to run the welder off the household 15 amp 220v service as you have with with your small welder . That is a no-no anywhere in the world. It is also a no-no to have run anything other than a very,very small hobby welder off the household service that you have been apparently doing. Yes you get away with it at low welder amperage settings but you are asking for trouble. Yes you will get away with it on the miller also at much lower yet amp settings. I found this at another site. It TELLS you what you need to know/do. It's the same thing I have been saying.
Hi all,
This is my first post, I hope someone out there can help.
I recently purchased a miller syncrowave 250dx tig welder, and rented a back room of a mechanic shop in east texas. I plan on building some motorcycles for myself and some friends and I always wanted a nice tig like I've used at work, at home.
The shop is not wired for the welder. It has a 220v main service. The welder according to the manufacturer requires a 125amp time delay breaker in order to use the full range of it's abilities. I do plan on welding some thick aluminum so wiring with this in mind seems reasonable to me. 6 gauge wire is what is recommended for hooking the welder in. The welder is located aprox. 15 feet from the box.
The questions I have are, should I install a sub box with my welder on a separate circuit? What type of wire should I run to the welder. What brand of subbox and breaker should I buy? Any electricians on this board have some advice for me, I would appreciate it.
I am able to buy the materials but with my current finances hiring a professional is not an option.
However being pretty concerned with not dying, I want to have all my ducks in a row before I get started. If you folks have any ideas on how to get more information from other sources like nec codes let know that too as well. thanks!
If you want the owners manual that tells you all about input voltage and amperage required by the machine you can follow the instructions below and have a pdf copy to look at.
go to web site: millerwelds.com
Select "product" in pull down menu
Scroll alphabetically to locate Syncrowave 250 DX
Select owners manual for this machine
Find "electrical connection"
There will be a chart describing breaker size, and wire sizes.
I wrote miller and they responded with,
On 230 volt single phase primary power use a 125 amp time delay breaker.
If you will not require full output of the machine you can use a 100 amp time delay breaker.
Wire size for 230 volt primary should be 6 gauge.
Thank you for contacting Miller
Jack Fulcer
Business Development Manager
Miller Electric Mfg Company- Tig Business
N822 Communication Drive
Appleton, WI 54914
Business: 920-954-3616
FAX : 920-954-3633
E-mail : Jfulce@millerwelds.com
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Yeah I get that but I'm being told that I can't use the thing because it's not Australian Standards Compliant! and that if I try and just hook it up as you're saying I'll be fined BIG time. That's what I was asking if anyone had any idea of what would be involved in making it COMPLY.
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I'm aware I can change the plug etc but it's still not Australian Standards Compliant and it has to do with the high freq start do you know anything about that Fabr since you seem to know all?
Sure don't and don't care as all you need do is hook the damn thing up to 220-240v 100 amp service to make it run just as well there as here just as safely. WTH gives a care whether it is Oz compliant? No one does other than that asshole dealer. The Millers are so easy to diagnose IF you ever have trouble right over the phone with miller directly that you need never take it to a welding supplier that is such an ass he'd turn you in for anything just to get a sale. Eff him. Call your electrician and have that 100 amp branch circuit run. Sorry you think I'm an asshole. Just trying to help out but you either don't or won't listen.
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Yeah I get that but I'm being told that I can't use the thing because it's not Australian Standards Compliant! and that if I try and just hook it up as you're saying I'll be fined BIG time. That's what I was asking if anyone had any idea of what would be involved in making it COMPLY.
Show me the statute.
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Here's a link http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store/Portal.aspx?publisher=AS
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Sure don't and don't care as all you need do is hook the damn thing up to 220-240v 100 amp service to make it run just as well there as here just as safely. WTH gives a care whether it is Oz compliant? No one does other than that asshole dealer. The Millers are so easy to diagnose IF you ever have trouble right over the phone with miller directly that you need never take it to a welding supplier that is such an ass he'd turn you in for anything just to get a sale. Eff him. Call your electrician and have that 100 amp branch circuit run. Sorry you think I'm an asshole. Just trying to help out but you either don't or won't listen.
I don't think you're an arsehole Fabr I've just got a bad temper and it seems to be getting worse, and I'm so pissed at the thought of paying all that money and not being able to use it.
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We can all get that way. No problem mate!
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So you're sure i can do that just keep it on the down low and do a bit from time to time, I'm just worried about the interference with the telecomunications crap that they're going on about.
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Here's a link http://infostore.saiglobal.com/store/Portal.aspx?publisher=AS
So ,which one applies directly to the question at hand such as ,IS there anything different with a miller sold in the US and Oz? Is there any substantial fine or other "punishment" for using a non compliant(if even so) and how much is that fine or whatever. DOES the law apply to the SALE and/or USE of any such non compliant equipment in a non commercial avenue. So far all I have read is about an asshole dealer and his claims. Is there any merit in them. I doubt there's a damn thing non compliant . It DID get past customs? Yes??
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So you're sure i can do that just keep it on the down low and do a bit from time to time, I'm just worried about the interference with the telecomunications crap that they're going on about.
You NEED to get online and download the owners manual for your machine. IN IT it details how YOU need to hook it up to eliminate the EMF that ALL welders generate no matter who made it or where it's sold. YOU need to wite and properly ground YOUR SHOP to get away from any possible EMF issues. This stuff is well known in the welding industry. I admit I don't know or really care IF there is any extra shielding IN THE MACHINE for Oz use. The point is that if you hook it up and properly ground the thing there is no EMF issue to worry about in the first place. Most of the interference is generated outside of the machine .
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BTW ,uncontrolled,the EMF only radiates a few meters. Maybe about 10-15 radius. Proper wiring in your shop should eliminate it.
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I do have the orignal manual when I bought the thing I asked the guy for all the manuals on it he had.
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Just plug in a small radio in your shop. If it buzzes or gets static when welding you have an issue with EMF. No static/buzz and you're good to go.
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I do have the orignal manual when I bought the thing I asked the guy for all the manuals on it he had.
Somewhere near the front it should show a diagram of the proper way to set up your layout to eliminate the EMF. If not get a newer version from Miller. The in fo applies to all welders.
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Somewhere near the front it should show a diagram of the proper way to set up your layout to eliminate the EMF. If not get a newer version from Miller. The in fo applies to all welders.
Really is it as simple as that? As I should have said from the start I'm not the worlds greatest electrician.
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Actually I just found at the back the correct installation for high frequency. eyes
It says to ground all metal objects and wiring within a 15meter area. And ground the building if it's metal.
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1-6. EMF Information
Electric current flowing through any conductor causes localized electric
and magnetic fields (EMF). Welding current creates an EMF field
around the welding circuit and welding equipment. EMF fields may interfere
with some medical implants, e.g. pacemakers. Protective
measures for persons wearing medical implants have to be taken. For
example, access restrictions for passers?by or individual risk assessment
for welders. All welders should use the following procedures in
order to minimize exposure to EMF fields from the welding circuit:
1. Keep cables close together by twisting or taping them, or using a
cable cover.
2. Do not place your body between welding cables. Arrange cables
to one side and away from the operator.
3. Do not coil or drape cables around your body.
4. Keep head and trunk as far away from the equipment in the
welding circuit as possible.
5. Connect work clamp to workpiece as close to the weld as
possible.
6. Do not work next to, sit or lean on the welding power source.
7. Do not weld whilst carrying the welding power source or wire
feeder.
About Implanted Medical Devices:
Implanted Medical Device wearers should consult their doctor and the
device manufacturer before performing or going near arc welding, spot
welding, gouging, plasma arc cutting, or induction heating operations.
If cleared by your doctor, then following the above procedures is recommended
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Wow Man my head's spinning ya replying too fast. Shit can you read minds? God not even my thoughts are safe anymore.
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Is that all that AS60974.10 says? I sort of started reading it but got interupted part the way through. Well there will be no one with a pace maker around while I'm welding.
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You guys wanna know a secret? It's a highly hidden secret as most males refuse to accept it as fact. As a matter of fact most wear as a badge of pride the fact that they don't read instructions. The ONLY reason I know what I know is that I read everything in site,including instructions and owners manuals. Always have ,always will. I just have an insatiable desire to gather as much info as I can about anything I do. I also HATE to have to ask for help as it is so often dispensed by those that have no clue but just spout out BS trying to act like they are experts. On DTS,sometimes some such as myself,come across as smartasses,assholes,or worse but,speaking for myself anyway,will never just spout out BS knowingly. That's not our style. Soooo....... I apologize if I pissed you off earlier when I said it was obvious you knew nothing about electricity and should hire a pro. BUT ,as you said later,you don't. I DO NOT want to be a part of anyone getting fried. IF you want to be walked through how to wire it yourself with a 100 amp branch it can be done according to US standards but I DO NOT know if it would pass Oz codes. I don't know offhand of anything that could be different there tho. Might take a small bit of web searching to verify that.
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Is that all that AS60974.10 says? I sort of started but got interupted part the way through. Well there will be no one with a pace maker around while I'm welding.
Thaty was quoted from a US manual. Again,I do not know if there are different OZ standards but the machine IS safe wired as shown to minimize/eliminate EMF and any communications issues.
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Thanks Fabr, sorry I went off I have a bad habbit of doing that sometimes, but I am a bit guilty of not reading the info at hand cause of other stuff happening at the moment around me with my Daughter. I do appreciate the time you've taken to help me so far thanks. No I didn't want to be walked through wiring it up as will have an eletrictian do it. It was just I couldn't understand why the dicks at the weld shops were telling me I couldn't use the machine, and there are three or four for sale on ebay.
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Have fun . Let us know if you want to run that branch. No reason not to just do it yourself. It's only 4 wires. I'm pretty sure we can find you a schematic online.
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Have fun . Let us know if you want to run that branch. No reason not to just do it yourself. It's only 4 wires. I'm pretty sure we can find you a schematic online.
I should to save some money, and I will let ya know how I go.
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Hell,just read this and watch the vid. Ignore the GFCI parts.
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Hell,just read this and watch the vid. Ignore the GFCI parts.
Was there suppose to be a link posted with that? What vid?
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http://www.spadepot.com/spacyclopedia/wiring-hot-tub-spa.htm (http://www.spadepot.com/spacyclopedia/wiring-hot-tub-spa.htm) eyes ;D ;D
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Yeah it's not that hard huh. Thanks.
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Don't go by it as it has GFCI protection that you do not want but it helps show the general idea. IF you decide to go it alone be VERY CAREFUL of the 3 wires connected to the main lugs as they will still be energized while you are in the panel even with the main breaker off. Just stay clear of them. Should be easy except when feeding wires into the panel.
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You;ll save a bundle doing it yourself. I'm still wondering what the fine is and if there is even one that would apply to you if caught with a non compliant unit.
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Yeah it's got me worried too, I've been looking but can't find any decent info about the stupid thing. The other thing is I'm not sure on the amps, I don't know what the maximum is. Cause you say 50 amps when you were talking earlier. Also I can't hook my shed up to 3phase cause the council will say I can't have the shed cause of zoning. But I've been looking into those converters, you plug in single phase and it converts it to 3phase.
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Reidy,
I wasn't trying to piss you off mate, I didn't want to see you fook up your new investment or have you risk getting hurt. I usually tell people I know just enough about electricity to be dangerous. I wouldn't do it myself, unless I had read all of the wiring diagrams and had a very good understanding of what was going on. As I was reading your posts, it seemed clear to me that you didn't. I've seen my share of what I like to call the magic blue smoke. ;D I have also felt the wrath of high voltage, and I didn't want to share in that experience.
As for 3 phase. Why do you think you need it? I run all of our Syncrowaves off of 60A 240V service without any problems. It has more than enough grunt to burn 1/4" rod, and in DC with Helium I can TIG 1" ALUM plate. I don't know how much more you'll need than that. Again I wasn't trying to piss you off mate. My apologies if I offended you, just didn't want to see you get hurt, or worse fook up the welder.
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Yeah I was just seeing red when I opened up the thing up and saw Fabrs reply and then looked down and saw yours, well I went off! The thing is I guess I should have said at the begining that I didn't know much about wiring and I'm not keen on it, as a matter of fact if I can get someone else to do it I will. I wasn't trying to make out I knew what I was talking about I was telling what I had been told and asking questions. The three phase thing, Im not sure about that either I thought if I went that route the machine would perform better/ or atleast I could use it. I'm not really sure what is the maximum ampreage you can have here. I tried to google it today and couldn't find it. eyes I'm learning about this shit as I go. As far as I know 15 amps is as high as the amperage goes in Aus. But in saying that I have seen advertised the 415 volt but not sure of the amps.
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Yeah it's got me worried too, I've been looking but can't find any decent info about the stupid thing. The other thing is I'm not sure on the amps, I don't know what the maximum is. Cause you say 50 amps when you were talking earlier. Also I can't hook my shed up to 3phase cause the council will say I can't have the shed cause of zoning. But I've been looking into those converters, you plug in single phase and it converts it to 3phase.
You do not need 3 phase. I said 50 amp earlier due to just using it as a minimum,rule of thumb, for most cracker box welders . I had not looked at the manual at the time . If you want to know the actual input amps needed for your unit for any given input voltage you need to verify your input voltage and refer to the charts in the owners manual.
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The only way you could possibly need 3 phase or even 440v is if Oz does not supply 50-100 amp single phase 220v service.
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I'm pretty sure all synchros are single phase. So three phase may not even be an option.
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You do not need 3 phase. I said 50 amp earlier due to just using it as a minimum,rule of thumb, for most cracker box welders . I had not looked at the manual at the time . If you want to know the actual input amps needed for your unit for any given input voltage you need to verify your input voltage and refer to the charts in the owners manual.
Ok Thanks.
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So what did the miller rep say about making it com[pliant?
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That's the thing he's avoided the question nicely the POS. kick
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What's it really matter if it is compliant or not? If you were running a business I might say differently, but for personal use on your own property, I say tell the electrician you need a 60 amp welder outlet. After he leaves, wheel it out, plug the fooker in and use it. It may not be compliant, but it is safe and not likely to cause any problems for anybody else anyway.
I say 60 amp cuz my sync 200 will trip a 50 if run for more than a couple minutes wide open welding aluminum.
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Yeah I think I'm gonna hafta, cause they either don't know what has to be done exactly or they don't want to tell me for fear that I will try and do it myself. :o
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Hook it up as we've discussed and be happy. NO one willl be the wiser.
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Yeah I'm gunna take it to an old guy that repairs welders he a smart guy he said we'll get it straightened out. Hey Fabr whats the go with ya Signature bizo?
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There was a fubar this morning. Working on it.
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Hook it up as we've discussed and be happy. NO one willl be the wiser.
It would not surprise me if the only difference is the lack a certification tag.
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I did read something that mentioned a filter for noise suppression so yeah prolly that and the sticker.
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Why? What you need is a bigger branch run.
Ah branch run is what you're saying there the actual wiring to the power point that the welder will be pluged into should be of a thicker guage? All the 250 dx's I've seen on ebay are set up to run on three phase, I think that may have to do that because with the highest amps being 15.
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Hey reidy
Just been reading up on this and from what you and others have been describing sounds like you went through the same things we needed to to get our 300DX to comply.
We had the thing hooked up and phones and such would trip out. They sent the machine back and got it fitted with a device that stopped it from doing such things. Funny thing it was purchased in AUS.
I'm not 100% on all the details so i'll try and get all the info on monday and get back to ya
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We'd ALL be interested in the info.
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Yes very interested thanks heaps Matt I'd appreciate it very much. ;D ;)
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Hey reidy
Just been reading up on this and from what you and others have been describing sounds like you went through the same things we needed to to get our 300DX to comply.
We had the thing hooked up and phones and such would trip out. They sent the machine back and got it fitted with a device that stopped it from doing such things. Funny thing it was purchased in AUS.I'm not 100% on all the details so i'll try and get all the info on monday and get back to ya
Yeah that's the answer I can't seem to get, is what has to be done (eg) a filter or some such thing fitted, no one would give me an answer from Miller or the welding shops cause as I said they are for sale here on ebay so they must have done whatever to the machines so they could be used. Are your's set up in three phase?
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Can you post a pic of the Aussie wiring schematic Reidy? That should show whatever the diff is.
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maybe........................
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Can you post a pic of the Aussie wiring schematic Reidy? That should show whatever the diff is.
Nah Fabr I can't find one. ???
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What are you thinking?
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trace the schematic,find whatever fikter there is and add it. no biggie .......maybe/probably.
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Yeah what I just did was one of the guys that's selling one on ebay I sent him a msg asking him to copy any wiring diagram and send it to me and I'd pay him. ??? God it shits me I'm looking at a tool shop online here in Aus that sells miller 250dx welders for nearly $7000. eyes
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So recently I have been talking to this really nice guy in Western Australia, and he's going to photocopy all of his wiring diagrams and he's gonna send it to me, which I thought was really nice of him. I was a bit cheeky and offered him 2 grand for his machine, at first he said no and I can fully understand why, but he must of thought about it after talking to me, and told his Son that he'd take it, so I'm thinking about buying that one and that way I can have a look at his and try and make mine comply, and maybe sell one, or keep em and have one for parts, or whatever. ;D
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Sorry fellas. Have been missing from the forum for a while. I should check back more :)
I've talked to Reidy about it and I'm still chasing info on it. There is a device that can be fitted to stop the emf from tripping out computers/phones ect. I'm waiting for a phone call from the bloke who installed it. Once I do ill let you all know what it is.
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Beauty Matt thanks mate! My shed's nearly finished they're putting the roof on now! ;D I'm sure glad it didn't take too long... eyes Patients my arse. rofl
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Oh and I sure did learn a valueable lession out of all this. RESEARCH, believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see. I honestly should have gone into a welding shop in Aus and asked questions, (eg) can I buy a machine second hand off craig list and bring it back and expect to use it with out any problems? I have spoken to a guy funny enough from Everlast, and he said that the power in the states is different in as much as your 220 volt is two active 110 wires that's why your single phase can handel higher currents, well that's the way he explained it to me, he said it was devloped from the orignal DC system that's why it's unique. I sort of understand rofl.
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A standard panel in the US that has single phase coming in is 2 110 lines opposite in polarity. Every other breaker in the box is on an alternating leg. A 220 breaker is double wide grabing one of each pole. An appliance like a stove that is 220 can have an internal timer running off just one of the legs and neutral.
I doubt it has anything to do with DC. DC was Edison's thing and AC was Tesla's. They hated each other. AC won out because it transfer over a large distance with minimal loss in comparison to DC. They both had patents on things and would not license them to the other.
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A standard panel in the US that has single phase coming in is 2 110 lines opposite in polarity. Every other breaker in the box is on an alternating leg. A 220 breaker is double wide grabing one of each pole. An appliance like a stove that is 220 can have an internal timer running off just one of the legs and neutral.
I doubt it has anything to do with DC. DC was Edison's thing and AC was Tesla's. They hated each other. AC won out because it transfer over a large distance with minimal loss in comparison to DC. They both had patents on things and would not license them to the other.
Are you sure about that?
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They are 180 degrees out of phase. When one leg is positive, the other is negative and vice versa as they alternate back and forth.
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(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmikegigi.com%2Fe-phase2.gif&hash=682198019e903e3e064390d53e19390624c6a5b1)
When 240 power is required, a second sine wave is introduced exactly the opposite of this one so at the peak, there is 240 volts from peak to peak and zero at the crossing. Good overview (new window).
from http://mikegigi.com/electric.htm
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There ya go. I guess I misunderstood what you were saying.
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I say plug it in and weld, if the neighbors pace maker skips a couple times then move it a bit further away. PM me your address and I'll smuggle you a US plug in for it and you wont have to swap the cord. No charge. ;D
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I cannot really verify this but from what I'm seeing researching this,Aussie power is unlike ours. We have a load wire(black) supplying 110V ,a common(white) return to source,and a ground. Aussie uses one leg of 220V,one leg return to source and a ground. Soooo....... don't do what Carl(and myself previously) suggested. A few readings with the voltmeter should verify this.
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I cannot really verify this but from what I'm seeing researching this,Aussie power is unlike ours. We have a load wire(black) supplying 110V ,a common(white) return to source,and a ground. Aussie uses one leg of 220V,one leg return to source and a ground. Soooo....... don't do what Carl(and myself previously) suggested. A few readings with the voltmeter should verify this.
So we've got a push+tug and a tug+push. They've got a PUSH and a TUG. I'm not seeing a difference in the end result. Three wires still makes 220 volts with a ground.
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the diff is that we have 2 legs of 110 each for 220 where they have 1 leg of 220. BIG diff to the machine IF I'm understanding their AC supply system correctly.
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Yeah but the two 110 are still combined in the machines power supply. But I will say if the machine can be made to conform for a few $$$ then that would be faaaarrrrr better than finding that neighbor dead cause her pace maker skipped a few beats. nono nono Seems the info is like finding out if the gov know of any alliens. LMAO LMAO
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Ummmm,carl,it doesn't work like that. ;D ;D