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UTV's Off Road ( RZR, YXZ, Mini Buggy, Carts,etc.) => UTV Toy Showcase => Topic started by: Reidy02 on February 23, 2009, 03:50:16 AM
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What do you all think of it so far?
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Looks good to me ;D
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yup. looking real good..
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Nice start.
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Why is it with every cuda build. The box tubing/frame is blue?? :o
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Thats how RHS steel is made in Auss. Did you think we all did for a fashion statement? ;D
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Why is it with every cuda build. The box tubing/frame is blue?? :o
I've wondered the same thing. Don't feel bad. I've just never had the guts to ask!
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Cleppa and Lance,
I gotta say that had to be the best question from newbies I have ever heard ;D
I always wondered that myself :P
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Yeah Thanks everyone for your kind words, and Artie's right that's just the way it comes here in OZ! I think it's for preservation reasons, to help slow rust..
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I've got a bit more done!
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Your upper front a-arm mount in the back will cause issues that Tony will not acknowledge. If you cut off the mounts and replace them with a set that have the hole 3/4" higher, your tie rods will not foul on your a-arms. If you want, I can send you the CAD drawing of a set that I made up. Just a suggestion though. Doug Heim gave me that bit of advice and I drew up a set right after he told me of the issue. I had already welded mine just the way you have done. I had to cut them off, and weld up the new ones. It was worth not having that issue.
~Adam
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Info like that is great to have. Thanks for posting it.
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I have a question about the edge cars in general tho.WHY the use of square tube?
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They claim it's easier to work with than round.
(for the novice builder)
I do like it for the lower cockpit area.
When I eventually do my own design I'll probably make the lower cockpit area square.
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Your upper front a-arm mount in the back will cause issues that Tony will not acknowledge. If you cut off the mounts and replace them with a set that have the hole 3/4" higher, your tie rods will not foul on your a-arms. If you want, I can send you the CAD drawing of a set that I made up. Just a suggestion though. Doug Heim gave me that bit of advice and I drew up a set right after he told me of the issue. I had already welded mine just the way you have done. I had to cut them off, and weld up the new ones. It was worth not having that issue.
~Adam
Hi Adam, yeah I agee here and other issues besides, for example the upper arm has a quick adjuster for caster (is this needed? How often do you adjust your caster once set up?) which has a free thread (without lock nut) which will move back and forth under the suspension loads and as this is an inclined plane eventually has to cause trouble.
The other thing about the upper arms is the issue of it being a triangle and having fixed mounts. As you utilise the caster adjuster you spread the arms mount points and they bind in the chassis mounts (this puts side loads on the heim joints). Its exacerbated on the Cuda as the foot of the triangle is quite large. Unfortunately Tony wont enter into discussion on any of these points (as I have discovered).
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almost forgot, these issues and the fact that Im using larger wheels than this thing was designed for means Im not using any of the edge designed suspension components. This is cause mines destined for the race track. For social use it wil work fine as designed. No probs. :D
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Yep, I raised my rear upper mount too. Luckily I saw the problem when I had them tacked up. I thought, that is no good! I think i will be going to front steer spindles later though.
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I have a DXF file Ill share for the tags Adam refered to. As for the adjustable castor I think its a great Idea but not the way its built into the Cuda in plans. Ill be offering a upper A-arm kit soon that will allow adjustability without the worry or side movment and without the small 1/2-20 rod end. Rick pointed this issue out as well as the jam nuts and if Im not mistaken was told that the side load was not enough to worry about. USE JAM NUTS ON THE ADJUSTER!!!!. What I do currently is I set my castor then make the spacers to suit.
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I also pointed out (To Tony) the missing nut and the useless adjustment that just doesn't work. (Due to the fixed triangle.) He did tell me that he meant to show a nut there, but he couldn't comprehend my point about the fixed triangle. So I had to point out that he didn't even leave room for a nut. Then he says that this missing nut is shaved down to 10mm thick. So, the only nut that gets altered on the entire build is conveniently NOT SHOWN!
The same problem of binding on the rod ends exists on the PIRCV rear. Where the lower a arms attach to the uprights. Not as glaring, but still not the greatest way to adjust the toe.
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Here's what I'd planned on doing for the upper arm.
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So rick, is that going to be like a tie rod type of link for the back half of the arm? Are you using 2 heims on it, and another 2 on the front half?
I assume that where the two connect you only want 1 axis of freedom, so a heim there would not work correct?
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Yes, like a tie rod.
Where the rear arm attaches to the front would just be be a fully threaded solid type rod end w/right hand thread. (1 axis of freedom) The heim at the frame would be left hand.
To adjust the front arm you'd still have to remove the upright bolt or remove the one at the fame. But at least now it's truly adjustable with no binding.
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Wait, to adjust caster you would need to remove one end? Or camber? Why not keep the original design with the adjustable bushing on the lower arm?
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To adjust camber with the upper arm you would need to remove a heim from the front rod. But since the lower arm's adjustment is fine for Camber, the front upper would probably never need to be moved.
The Castor would now be truly adjustable by the upper rear arm on my design.
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Thats the same idea done on this buggy. The race guys are doing this and I want to take some pics of their set up as its pretty much waht Ill be doing as well. Rick is spot on!
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Here's what I'd planned on doing for the upper arm.
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Rick...you ARE "the man" that is so bloody simple and effective as well.. guess where my pup is stealing HER design ideas from now.... lil bitch....
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Wow, I drew that 2 years ago. But I did steal the idea from a pic I saw on google images.
I think it was front geometry on a small race car though.
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Sorry Reidy, this stuff is sorta on thread... but we did hijack it a tad.... :-[
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Hey Doug,
It looks like they're using a heim where they don't need it.
I'd save my money and use a solid type rod end there. It only needs to pivot when you adjust it. Then you torque it down.
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Yeah Rick was just mulling that over in my mind... thinking a small urethane bush with a crush tube... reduce the arm rocking (twisting) as well...
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Yes Artie, I'm thinking the same thing. Sorry Reidy
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Doug,
No bushing or crush sleeve required. Rod end id and bolt on size. It all gets torqued down. There is no wear on this connection.
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yep, I go with that. I think I like this idea a whole lot. I saw Dougs pics earlier (was that on the edge site Doug or Minibuggy?) and wasnt fussed about the heim allowing the upper tube to turn a little at times... this solves that issue and just jumps off the screen at me...
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Ah that's cool guys I appreciate the input cause hey I wouldn't have known anything about it! You know how that goes! Anyway did you run your buggy in the Edges format Doug? If so how long did it last? I've been pretty busy last couple of days I got that lathe,man what a hassel that was! ::) I got in the shed today finally! Man it's freak'n HEAVY!!!
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I spend more time making parts than actually enjoying my buggy. I cant really say how comparable it is but just thinking about it I would imagine it has to be an improvment right?
And this way you can tighten the bolt down without worrying about drag on the pivot. This also keeps the bolt from spinning or having to use "locks" on the head of the bolt.
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Yeah right! Thanks very much Doug and everyone! Hey Adam I would appreciate it if you would send that stuff to me, mate thank you!!
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But ya doing what ya wanted right Doug making things better design and fabrication wise hey? Well ya just helped me again! And ya parts look killer! bb:
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This IS some GREAT INFO guys
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You sure about that? I was reading on that place from Oz that we are a bunch of wannabe builders here and wouldn't know a thing about real buggies.
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Where did you see that? Im on that site everyday and must have missed it. Well for a young Forum I dont think we need to worry about what others think ::). The fact is that there are alot of great machines and builds being built by members of this forum. Just take the time to look around!
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But ya doing what ya wanted right Doug making things better design and fabrication wise hey? Well ya just helped me again! And ya parts look killer! bb:
Yes I love what I do! If I didnt I would not spend so much energy on it. :P
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That's what I was refering to, the fact that you said you don't get time to get out in your buggy anymore cause of all the work! And as I said, I've been looking at your part range and it looks great!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks Reidy!
Sure is appreciated!
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No problems mate just tell'n like I see it!!
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You sure about that? I was reading on that place from Oz that we are a bunch of wannabe builders here and wouldn't know a thing about real buggies.
nope nope nope... you got it all wrong fabr! What he said was "they all wanna be builders like us here and without us they wouldnt know a thing about real buggies." Sheez fabr! Pay attention!
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All lies!
Everyone wants to be like me! ;D Well OK maybe not all but the majority anyway 8)
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And just so we're clear it wasn't me that said that!!
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A little more done! Got the rear mocked up..
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And yes guys I know I have the bottom A-arm upside down, joy O joy ::)
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Great job.
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Not long til she will stand on her on 2 feet. Very nice work.
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Ya,
what they said ;)
Looks like your making some serious progress, You'll be out tooling around before you know it
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I really like the spade gussets you've got on your A-Arms. Those look like the ones Doug Heim sells.
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Thanks for the kind words of encouragement fellas, I got the motor sitting in place at the moment as well ready to start on the mounts, hopefully it wont be too long b4 I'm out and about in it ;D ;D, and yeah Adam they are Doug's spade gussets, I think they look good!
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I know they look good! 8)
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Thanks Mate!
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I changed the mounts on my tank, look familiar Doug? Oh and I put some bracing in the engine bay, it'll also give me more to mount to.
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indeed they do! Looks better too!
Your new shipment is going out today. You should see your parts in 1 week.
Thanks!
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Cool thanks Mate! ;D
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Well I got sick of looking at that tank with it's shitty welds so I made another one! Oh and I got a bit more done with the steering.
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A couple more.
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Reidy, did you have much trouble finding the sweet spot for the rack? Im not sur ethat other have even tried. According to the guru there is nil bump steer when in the right pozzie.
While I respect his claim, Ive never seen a car with unequal length front arms that had zero bump steer, minimal, yes, zero, no.
Looking good btw..well done, (not bad for a cripple... give an aussie an arc welder n let him loose... look at THAT bridge....)
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Thanks Artie, Mate I haven't found a sweet spot I just wanted to get it there and have a look, but I think it's as you said minimal to very little but not no bump steer. But hey I can only try it! I wanted to keep it close to the way it was designed, and hey if it don't work I'll change it! ;)
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I've got a bit more done here's some pics.
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More!
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A little more done incase anyone's interested.
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A little more done incase anyone's interested.
nope....
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nah.... just crappin ya.... lookin great mate....
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Thanks Artie seems like no one else is too interested, sniff sniff. Booo hoooo
Ah seen ya bird the otherday it was a pisser! So who was it for?
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Thanks Artie seems like no one else is too interested, sniff sniff. Booo hoooo
Ah seen ya bird the otherday it was a pisser! So who was it for?
Well Reidy02 you know that Artie cares don't you know Cause he has said in the past that him gets and Erection when him look at stuff like that. ;D ;D ;D
By the way nice build. I like all the sheet metal work.
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Ditto on that! Very nice on the sheetmetal. Looks like it is getting close. Do you plan to paint the aluminum? I have wondered what it would look like painted with the frame showing, either the same color or contrasting.
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I care! Looking good! Im always intrested 8).
Using the same seat as I have I see. I really like those seats!
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Well Reidy02 you know that Artie cares don't you know Cause he has said in the past that him gets and Erection when him look at stuff like that. ;D ;D ;D
By the way nice build. I like all the sheet metal work.
Blody near right! and at my age you never know which one is going to be your LAST! Never let an opportunity go past..... ;D
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im interested!!! i love looking at progress pics..
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Well what can I say, thanks guys! Yeah Eng I'm thinking of having the frame powder coated like a lite gun metal grey and the suspension arms a darker grey or charcoal, to go with the motor, and I was thinking about doing the scottch bright circles on the Alloy panels. ;D ;D :o And Artie if ya got wood use it!! :o :o Thanks Doug, those seats are nice but bloody expensive!! Thanks Voodoochicken I too am interested in progress builds it's good to see progress and to see how people go about things, as Artie would say buggy porn. ;D
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bow chic a wow wow.
Seats are expensive but what is a comfortable rear worth in a buggy you plan to spend as much time in on the days your able to ride it?
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Yeah I hope so Doug cause I never got to drive the old Piranah too much! ::)
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bow chic a wow wow.
WTF? ? ?
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WTF? ? ?
buggy porn music! come on! ;D
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Wot ya not a fan of the porn music there Artie?
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Nice job reidy.
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Even tho I don't always comment I do look foreward to all build log pics,
Keep up the good work reidy...I'm ready to ingest the next batch ;D
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Thanks Fabr, and you too Spec, I got a bit more done but I can't find my cord for the camra so I'll have some more for ya soon Spec ;)
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Im finishing up your pannel washers today. Im still looking for the aluminum angle. Should know somthing today so I can ship out tomorrow.
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Ah Good on ya Thanks Doug! I didn't get a chance to go to the other places for the roo jerkey I'll go tomorrow for sure..
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I am really looking forward to that Dave!
Keep me posted.
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I got a little more done here's some pics. Sorry Doug I didn't get a chance to go cause my Daughter's sick, poor little bugger. Oh Sorry Spec here's ya next lot to inguest...
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man you spent alot of time on those swirls! 8)
No worries. whenever you have time. Just sometime in my lifetime ;D
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How did you do the swirls? They look like they came out great.
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Well Doug I went down today and the freak'n place was closed, ::) man I can't take a trick, but I'll get you some! And yes mate I did spend a fair bit of time on it and I'm only a bit over half way done! Yeah Lance it's scotch brite like pad that goes on a drill, but it's better to do it on a pedistal drill cause if you do it with a hand drill it tends to take off all over the place. I think you'd prolly find the bizos on a 3m site I'll see if I can find a link 4 ya. Ah here ya go Lance I think this might do the trick.. http://www.australianabrasives.com/3mroloc.htm
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What do you think Doug are the swirls too much?
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Its a bit much for me but I can sure appreciate the work into it. Ill do my finaly judging after its finished. Might look preety cool depending on the color of the chassis. ;)
I have a video of how I do my swirls. Ill post it up! 8)
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Still looking for the video
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Wow I'll bet thats easier than locking the DA. sander and doing it my way
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it is quite simpe and relativaly quick. That small pannel took me about 90 sec.
The real appreciation is where Dave did his entire side pannels and others where ther is alot more surface and much bigger so that means harder to handle.
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Yeah I do mine similar, just I do mine on the pedistal drill. ;D Oh and on the fire wall I had to get my Son to help me hang on to the hand drill cause I couldn't do the center part of it. ::)
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Not too much more done too bloody cold and I'm too sore, but I managed to get the mirror basses done and the roof tags re-done cause they were all over the place. Do the job once and do it right!!
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Looks good mate, speaking of too sore, how is your back shithead?
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OOooooo that's a smite, ha ha yeah a bit better now, my knees and shins are sore too, thanks for asking Mate..Ya did to ya bastard I just looked at my smites and it's now 24 ::) ::) ::) ::)
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OOooooo that's a smite, ha ha yeah a bit better now, my knees and shins are sore too, thanks for asking Mate..Ya did to ya bastard I just looked at my smites and it's now 24 ::) ::) ::) ::)
cause i dont care what your missus says mate, i reckon your ok......
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Yeah your Missus was have'n a bit of a grizzel about you the other night too, but don't worry I stuck up for ya she said ya weren't worth piss'n on, I said you were. ;D
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;D
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You like that one Spec? Although I dare say I'm gett'n a smite'n fa that.. ;D ;D
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You like that one Spec? Although I dare say I'm gett'n a smite'n fa that.. ;D ;D
nope cause now ive got the shits with ya....
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Awwww sure ya have Artie.. :P :P :P 3:
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Now don't go getting your combined undies in a bunch 8)
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Its the pinnacle of shitstirringstardom when you can suck another aussie into your net.
Poor old Reidy sent me a PM asking if I really had the shirts!
Just cause I DIDNT give him a smite... well here ya go matey... another for your collection.... The truth is mate I had a a very busy wekend and couldnt get on for more than a few seconds at a time.... breath easy ya silly bugger..... :-*
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Ah isn't that nice ya still love me, but did ya have do it so publicaly ah this is the pm isn't it?
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Mushy bugger's :o
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I got a bit more done, here's some pics..
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Go Reidy go
Looks good ;D
and another one for ya
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Smite,smite,smite smite. LOL!!!!! I gave up ,hell,artie has an unattainable count now!
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8)
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Looks great reidy. How did the lasers work out for the adjustable pedals with the Edge boxes?
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Yeah had a bit of a look today, but what I really want to do is wait till I get it on the ground with the floor in it so I can get in and actually see how far I need em down till I mount em in there. Are your boxes smaller?
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Oh and hey thanks fa the kind words fellas, I'm gett'n there slowly. ::) Hahaha yeah Master it's hard to compete with numbers like those! Thanks fa the smites Spec I can always count on you. :-*
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Here ya go Doug here's what I was talk'n about, the whole bush, and the lever goes on the end where it's flush, what I'm saying or asking is where does the bolt/bush go? Like do I weld it to the mount tab? Or am I suppose to put the bolt through the mounting tab? Cause if I do that then there's no room as it's flush!!
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Ill have to dig up some pics to help explain better, what you need to do is remove the bushings from that tube and weld the tube to the chassis, where the end of the flange ends up is the mounting surface for the new shifter Im sending you.
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Reidy's been holding out on us.....
He's got a shiney new TIG welder
Get stuffed Mate
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Ya bloody dobber Spec ya were suppose ta keep it under ya hat! Now I'll be do'n all sorts fa blokes! ::) :P Ha hahahahaha..
Ah I think I have it now Doug... So Like you said you take the bolt n bush out weld the tube to the frame, where the silly tab bizo is now, then put it all back together while it's nice n hot to see if I can't stuff the bush.. I see said the bilnd man to the deaf man on the telephone. ::) 8) THANX....
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he he he he...... thats aussie speak..almost incomprehensible isnt it folks... he he he he......
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hi
is that the seat in the other pics
if so can you take a couple of pics and post
cheers
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Why mate is there sumthin in particular you wanted to see, or are ya just curious?
Yeah thanks Artie I thought I'd hit em with a bit of Aussie speak ta see if all would understand ;D
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Ozzie speak may as well be Chinese! :m
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Aww come on Master it's gotta be easier ta understand than that! :o :P
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Aww come on Master it's gotta be easier ta understand than that! :o :P
uhm....nah... I sorta agree with him..... :-*
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It's some kind of weird code or something. I mean look at trojans title he gave himself--'k'n Oath! What the hell is that ?????????? :m
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Its a common phrase here when we want to emphasise a statement made by us or by others... basically it means "Farkin Oath Mate". If put into english it further means 'upon my oath, thats definately true'.
(question) Gee that truck was big wasnt it? (reply) K'in oath mate! Which means .... "yes that is true"
I hope that helps........(but I doubt it) ;)
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Translation of weird code is always helpful. mm: bb:
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Go Artie! Were you a boy scout? :P
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I think Artie got kicked out ::)
For eating all the brownies ;D
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From what I hear Spec it wasn't only brownies.. :o :o ::)
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;D
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Oh good Gawd!
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I like your work Reidy, it's coming along very nicely.
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Thanks Camel I appreciate it! ;)
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Well I've managed to finally got some more done, here's some pics, of the floor in, I dunno if you can see it or not, the throttle cable sorted out where it goes through into the pedal box and onto the pedal, cause Edges need refining. I also got some bits from Doug as usual, for the hub so I can run the Douglas wheels I bought a while ago, but I think I may have some issues there but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it! Oh and I got the gear lever mounted.
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That looks awesome Reidy ;D
Looks like the tolerance on the reat uprights and the wheel are really close :o ...
GET STUFFED MATE :P
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nearing zoom zoom zoom time!
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Hey Spec, thanks mate! It has got me worried, I think I'll do another mock up tomorrow to see how close it really is! :o :o Oh and thanks I'll try...
Hey Spec GET STUFFED!! Ahhahahahahahha....
Hey Master, I wish, still got the engine mounts to do, if I could stop doing love jobs maybe I could get it finished and go VrOOm VrOOm.. ::)
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You could add a spacer between the hub and the wheel to move those heims away from the rim. It's pretty common on full size cars to make small adjustments like that with a spacer. The general rule on full size cars is no more than 1/4" thick spacer.
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Yeah thanks Lance I was thinking today of doing just that with some alloy I've got out in the shed, just tracing around the hub face where the wheel bolts to then cutting it out, one spacer! Trouble is some times I have terrible sexy fingers that tend to F things up.. ::) ;D
DOH I just noticed that the first picture of the rim with the hub in it is up side down.. ::)
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what is the offset in the wheel?
If you flip it around that might fix your problem as well. I have done this on fronts before to get a wider foot print and correct scrub radius. I simply welded the tire valve hole and drilled a new on on the other side. 8)
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Oh ok I looked at that today but the center piece of the rim seemed pretty much the center but I'll put the rear on the right side to see what the go is tomorrow. But as Lance said I could cut a spacer.
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looking at the upside down pic it looks like a slight offset to me unless its the pic playing with my eyes.
If it is the same a spacer will be fine. I have a friend running 1" spacers and he has had no issues with them.
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looking at the upside down pic it looks like a slight offset to me unless its the pic playing with my eyes.
If it is the same a spacer will be fine. I have a friend running 1" spacers and he has had no issues with them.
The only problem with the 1" spacer is that it puts a bending load on the fastener. Usually when they get that thick they bolt the spacer to the hub and then bolt the wheel to the spacer by offsetting the patterns.
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Lance I believe that is what my friend is running. Thanks for clearing that up. 8)
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Yeah I've had ta cut a quarter inch spacer, it should be OK to put it straight on the hub face then whack the wheel on shouldn't it? I hope so cause I've made one nearly. Here's some more I got done.
Oh and I did some more CAD work today that's right cardboard aided design, you put the card board against the wheel nuts give a little tap, so you can see where to use the wad punch, then push it right on rub with ya finger and it gives ya a pattern cut out and transfer onto aluminum, then cut out! Voila one spacer..
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Hey Doug should I counter sink the rims for the wheel nuts?
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no. run the nut so the flat sideis to the wheel.
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Use a washer to prevent galling the wheel.
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Mate,
EDGE sell a stepped washer that is flat on one side and countersunk on the other to fit tapered wheel nuts to Alum rims. You do have to drill the holes out on the rim to fit them
Or if your studs are 10mm, they will be a tight fit and you can just throw a flat washer and nyloc on there.
I've used both methods and they both work, the tapered nuts are inclined to come loose though.
Cheers,
Kev
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Thanks guys I'll whack a washer and a nyloc nut on there, I didn,t have to drill the wheels. ;D
It was just I couldn't remember seeing an aluminuim wheel counter sunk.
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It's looking good Reidy! I can't wait to see the pics when it's running, and then after you fly it into a tree. :P
Just kiddin, but if you do, be sure you post the pics.
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Yeah mate, I'll be sure ta give ya giggle... :P :P :P
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Got some more done, changed the mounts for the front arms. Oh and mucked around with the Bonnet.
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Mate,
EDGE sell a stepped washer that is flat on one side and countersunk on the other to fit tapered wheel nuts to Alum rims. You do have to drill the holes out on the rim to fit them
Or if your studs are 10mm, they will be a tight fit and you can just throw a flat washer and nyloc on there.
I've used both methods and they both work, the tapered nuts are inclined to come loose though.
Cheers,
Kev
That's good to know. Got a link to them by chance?
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I re did the front mocked it up again for the shock mounting points which ended up the same height just turned a bit!
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Yeah the rotation is very important to be sure there is no binding through full travel. I release the pressure in the shock to allow me to cycle it before I fully weld. Good job David!
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Yeah the rotation is very important to be sure there is no binding through full travel. I release the pressure in the shock to allow me to cycle it before I fully weld. Good job David!
Yeah I thought that's what you did, I mean letting the pressure out. I was thinking about it but I don't have anywhere I can get it refilled. Cool thanks Doug!! Ah the only other thing is I have an issue with the position of the rack now, the belows are touching on the frame either side, so I may have to reposition it later. ::)
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Well I've managed to get some work done on the engine mounts here's some pics.. I had to re-do one mount cause it was too long and tilting the motor over making it hard to get the bolt out. ::)
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I actually re-did some of that today ta make it stronger here 's some pics...
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Hey that's cool Reidy how'd ya do that? LMAO
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Looks top notch bud! 8)
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Thanks Doug.. ;D
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I recognize that idler sprocket :)
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I was told to get rid of it!! I mean I can see it would put some huge forces on either side of the housing, especially if you grabbed the wrong gear. :o
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I was told to get rid of it!! I mean I can see it would put some huge forces on either side of the housing, especially if you grabbed the wrong gear. :o
Seems to work OK in ours. Plus the chain would hit the housing in the sprocket area if it wasn't there.........?
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Exactly, mine does that's why I put it in!
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So if your not supposed to use the idler how do you solve the interference problem with the bottom of the sprocket cover? Tilt the motor WAY! back? Or is it one of those things that really doesn't exist?
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Custom sump like Dougs V-Twin and mount the motor lower in the frame so the chain doesn't rub on the motor.
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even with the custom sump it does not clear enough.
Forces on the Housing? Not enough to cause anything to fail is there? That and the idler uses a double row ball bearing. The idler is strong enough to stand up to the forces of down shifting and what not. I down shift, and Im no nice about it either. Mine is still as good as new and going back on with the chassis now finished.
Comments on forces applied to the housing from the idler are justified how? The A-arms and drive unit supply enough force to the entire housing to not even consider the idler causing any issues, The Idler IMO also offers brace to the front of the housing as when it is bolted together acts as a front support member. People making those comments obviously dont understand the benefits it really provides.
Not only does it help the chain into the case but it also allows more contact of the chain with the front sprocket. I can go on but those 2 reasons alone are good enough for me. As long as it is a good quality idler which this is. I have sold tons of these and many of them all around the world. So much that since I am now sold out, I am making them from billet vurses a modified Martin blank. Lathe work was done yesterday and today. Sprocket profile will be cut on the CNC VMC hopfully tomorrow. Video maybe?
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That's not my position on the matter Doug, I was repeating the rest of what was said in regards to the motor-chain contact issue.
Personally I believe the benefits of running an idler outweigh the cost of setting the idler up properly. Gusset the idler bolt mounts and you'll snap chains before you break the idler off the housing...
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I understand you were not questioning its function bud. I just wanted to explain the reasons I use it and my personal thoughts of what it is intended to do so those that question it can maybe see the justification of it.
Look at my V-twin build and the recent Busa build. Both shallow sumps and both use the idler.
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That's not my position on the matter Doug, I was repeating the rest of what was said in regards to the motor-chain contact issue.
Personally I believe the benefits of running an idler outweigh the cost of setting the idler up properly. Gusset the idler bolt mounts and you'll snap chains before you break the idler off the housing...
Did someone actually claim the idler mount would rip off the housing? NFW Mine has at least a 3/8" bead to the housing on both sides of it!!! The housing would fail before the idler would rip off. Somebody is just spewing with no knowledge of strength of materials or weld strength, bead size, etc.................
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That and it has a Grade 8, 5/8" bolt spanning the distance. I think many of the cheap idlers use a crap bearing with a small bore so it s much weaker. This idler is made to take the heavy loads. That is the point.
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Did someone actually claim the idler mount would rip off the housing? NFW Mine has at least a 3/8" bead to the housing on both sides of it!!! The housing would fail before the idler would rip off. Somebody is just spewing with no knowledge of strength of materials or weld strength, bead size, etc.................
Nope. They said that they snapped a smaller bolt in double shear clean through when they downshifted on tarmac.
But with a 5/8 high tensile bolt, you'd snap the chain before you broke the bolt. Next weakest point? The welds holding the bolt mounts onto the housing. Unless you run a nice big fat bead both sides of each fitting as you said. Even so, I personally would gusset it anyway, just because I like to over-build stuff like that.
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Nope. They said that they snapped a smaller bolt in double shear clean through when they downshifted on tarmac.
But with a 5/8 high tensile bolt, you'd snap the chain before you broke the bolt. Next weakest point? The welds holding the bolt mounts onto the housing. Unless you run a nice big fat bead both sides of each fitting as you said. Even so, I personally would gusset it anyway, just because I like to over-build stuff like that.
Consider this........... A 1/4" (6mm?) quality bolt/screw will support a 2,000 lb load in shear. That's a flippin Volkswagen hanging on it. There's more to the story than they're telling. Especially in double shear.
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gusset like this as I do!
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Well that one took off, as I thought it would. But what I was going to say is that it could have been avoided if it were made to take the forces on it, as Dougs are!
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Consider this........... A 1/4" (6mm?) quality bolt/screw will support a 2,000 lb load in shear. That's a flippin Volkswagen hanging on it. There's more to the story than they're telling. Especially in double shear.
Yeah as Chris said the guy was probably going up through the gears and got confused and instead of going up he went down, let the clutch out and locked up and spat the idler out on the road.
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Yep, like Dougs. Chain'll snap looong before that goes anywhere...
The person we have been talking about stated he was downshifting on tarmac, and a bit of compression lockup over-loaded the bolt and sheared it through. Now he uses much heavier hardware, or avoids using idlers all together.
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Yeah I know I just didn't want to mention any names, and it's damn easy to do I did the same sorta thing in the piranah ::) but I didn't have an idler in that and didn't do any damage.
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Some more pics, or more done either way..
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I have a question that has been really bugging me for a long time and since I drove Doug's fish it became clear ,to me at least, that I 'd prefer to modify the panels for better visibility. I'm not very tall,only about 5'6",but I'm not a midget either. I can barely see over the hood ,or bonnet ,if you prefer. What's the purpose of running it so high? In the dunes or offroad in general it really blocks from view a lot of what's in front of you. If the body panels stopped near the upper panel fasteners the line of sight would be VASTLY improved.
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Nice work BTW!
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Hey Master, thanks. Man I really haven't looked into that as in I haven't even sat in the thing yet, I'm 6"2 there abouts so I don't think I'll have too many probs seeing over the hood, but I can't answer ya question mate cause it's one of those things you'd hafta ask the guy that designed it! I put it there cause that's the way it is in the plan. But also I'd say to keep the driver some what dry and a few rocks off em, IMO. Hope that helps. :-\
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I do agree. It is a bit high but Im now used to it. do like what Lance did on Samanthas Cuda and I may look into that on the next Cuda I build.
Fabber you did look like a midget in my car LMAO
Next time Ill bring a booster. J/K
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I could have sat on my helmet IF I'd had it with me. But as a side note Doug,you also look like a midget in it. ;D ;D ;D ;D Reidy will have no trouble seeing over it but for me,just in my opinion,it could be easily lowered and make visibility much much better. I understand the better protection from flying rocks but it's the unseen stationary obstacles that'd worry me. No mattert though as the cars look very nice and perform quite well with the needed mods that Doug has come up with..
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Where'sthe Vid of Reidy doing the VROOOM VROOOMM noises?
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Ha ha Spec you're a funny bugger! :P :P ;D I seriously hope to have it running B4 Christmas! Ah and B4 you jump in Spec,with which year is that? Ya smart arm, this year! :P :P
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A bit more done, here's some pics..
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Nice Cans!
Oh and nice flag clamp too.!
Looking good bud! ;D 8) 8)
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Thanks Doug I thought so too! I was standing there looking at the radiator thinking how I was going to clamp it there and I thought hey maybe the flag clamp upside down and voilla! ;D Oh I forgot to say that I met Brett from Penrith he bought my little bench lathe off me and was saying that he mounted his steering wheel and still had the horn button. The way I did mine the horn button wouldn't fit so I made another boss. Oh and I had to use another wheel. Also I set up the gear change cable..
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You dont need a horn if your in front all the time right?
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I have a question that has been really bugging me for a long time and since I drove Doug's fish it became clear ,to me at least, that I 'd prefer to modify the panels for better visibility. I'm not very tall,only about 5'6",but I'm not a midget either. I can barely see over the hood ,or bonnet ,if you prefer. What's the purpose of running it so high? In the dunes or offroad in general it really blocks from view a lot of what's in front of you. If the body panels stopped near the upper panel fasteners the line of sight would be VASTLY improved.
I'm a little taller than you and asked the same question to doug with the same experience. I really like driving dougs rail but the hood down farther would be an improvement for myself in the dunes and I'm 5'11" on my toes! ;D I was also shocked at what that rc51 had for tq! that is a sweet ride doug.
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You dont need a horn if your in front all the time right?
That's true Doug, I gotta get it going now, still a fair bit to go.. ;D
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Beep beep beep! Outta my way sucka!!!!! ;D
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That's it! Move it or loose it! ;D ;D Do you guys have beep beep horns on your buggys? ;D
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I plan on it this time.
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Yeah I figure it'd be useful ta at least get someones attention to give ya a push to reverse.. ::)
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LMAO.hadn't thought of that!
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A bit more done... ;D
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Ah,vroom,vroom,vroom instead of braaaa,blaaaa,pop.
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??? ???
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muffler
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I like your work Reidy, it's coming along very nicely.
I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, why do you say that Camel? Is it cause I don't think about my photos too much and take em and post em with the mistakes and all.. ;D ;D ::)
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muffler
Oh yeah right of course.. ::)
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I've been thinking about this for the last couple of days, why do you say that Camel? Is it cause I don't think about my photos too much and take em and post em with the mistakes and all.. ;D ;D ::)
It would go from nicely to very nicely if you would photoshop REIDY into some of your parts. ;D
Your build is looking super good. Congrats!
I would gusset the shifter cable mount.
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Hey Eng thanks Mate, I was looking at that yesterday and was thinking exactly the same thing, great minds think alike. Yeah ya right, thanks for reminding me.. ;)
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I got a bit more done, I made a cowling for my fan to mount to and I made another bracket for the top radiator mount and re-did the bottom mounts.. ::) Oh and I did another radiator. :-\
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Got a little more done today, mounted my oil cooler, yipee....
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Just one less thing before completion! You're getting there!!
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Yeah Master gett'n there slowly..
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Hell Reid's wheres that VROOM VROOOM video?
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Yeah Master gett'n there slowly..
Slowly beats no-ly any day!
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Hell Reid's wheres that VROOM VROOOM video?
Hey Specinator, how the puck are ya? I know Mate it's taken me sooo long to get the freak'n thing going! What I've been doing is cutting out some stuff that I'd already done, like the radiator mounts, I wasn't happy with it so I cut it out.. ::) :P Also I'm gonna re-do the rack mount too cause the bellows are rubbing on the uprights at the front. That's if I ever get the stuff I ordered off Mr Grimreaper racing.. And I'm with the Master slowly's better than not at all.. I'll get there it just takes me a bit longer these days. :(
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It'll be completely worth it the first time you nail that gas pedal. They're so much fun you won't be able to get enough.
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Yeah Lance I can't wait! It's a great feeling isn't it! The piranah was a fair bit of fun too, but I'm definitely looking forward to taking this out for a run!! ;D ;D
Hey Doug I meant to ask you weather you thought I should just pull it down now and get it powder coated or get it going first and take it for a run and make sure it goes OK, cause I know with the Piranah when I finished I didn't much feel like taking it apart again... ::)
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Drive it first,I drove mine for almost 2 years before powder, In the end you will be glad you did!
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OK thanks but why is that then? I guess it's better to not wreck the powder just in case something needs to be changed / welded else where or something. I just answered my own question to a degree.. :-\ But I'll bet you can come up with a few more things... ;D :P
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That pretty much covers it.
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YUP!
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Ah thought so Thanks guys!! Oh and I had to have a go at your rad mounts didn't I no where near as purddy either.. ::) :P
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A bit more done, finally got me gussets..
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I'm always impressed with the quality that I see most of us building to. There's a bunch of talented guys here..
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Why thank you Master! ;D I haven't heard that sort of thing too often.. :D
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;D 8) ;D
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Thanks guys it made my day!! ;D ;D ;) I honestly think my work has gotten better, and the ideas you guys come with is unreal, cause I have a look at what you all have done then I either change it a bit or do the same thing. ;D It's good to see other people do the same sort of thing you're doing, hey.. 8)
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Well you are building yourself a rather nice vehicle...
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Thanks Chris!! ;D
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Have you sat in it yet? I'm 6'2" and am wondering if I need to stretch mine for leg room when I build it. Looking awesome by the way. Definitely motivating. Can't wait to get started.
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Yeah Komelika I'm 6'2" as well and I had to stretch my Piranah too but it wasn't enough I was still too big!! I think I may have the same problem with this ::) but I'll see when I get it on the ground and get in it!!
I got a bit done today I got the nearly the whole front on and some of the rear..
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That's also what I meant to ask you Doug do the shocks at the front on the Cuda's have those little spacers like on the Piranahs? Hahaha I just noticed something wrong in one of the photos see if you can see it!!
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Thats what I'm worried about. I think I will stretch the cockpit 100mm and hope for the best. It shouldn't be too difficult to do it. I'd hate to regret not doing it later. Looking sweet! You'll be hauling ass in no time now!
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Yeah I was hoping to get it going before Christmas, but see how it goes! Thanks for the complement, but all the cool aluminum bits Doug does.. I don't know about how I'll go fitting in, the Cuda is bigger than the Piranah though, I was looking at it the other day and thinking, I wonder how I'll go, I'll keep ya posted!! ;)
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Springs are upside down!
What spacers do you mean bud?
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I wouldn't run those brake lines on the exposed front face of the A-arms either. Turn the clamps 180 and run them on the trailing edge where the bushes and stuff can't batter them as much.
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yup
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I wouldn't run those brake lines on the exposed front face of the A-arms either. Turn the clamps 180 and run them on the trailing edge where the bushes and stuff can't batter them as much.
Thanks Lance but I just put em that way to show em off!! :o I couldn't help myself!!! ;D
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Springs are upside down!
What spacers do you mean bud?
I'll take a photo or two and post em later.. Here ya go Bud, these little joys..
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Did you ever purchase the spacers from me that have an offset to help with clearance issues between the shock ad upper A-arm? I thought you have. These go on the bottom A-arm.
I use the spacers up top that come with the FOX shocks.
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Did I? I don't remember! But aren't those bits for the A-arms? To help with the turning problems!
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I honestly thought those bit were for the A-arms and had to be welded in, do they?
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Yes the 10* offset bungs get welded in to help with steering.
Im talking about spacers though. I think I sent those to another customer in Aus. I have sold a bunch of them so its hard to keep track.
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Nah I went out and had a look and found em and straight away I had a look at the spacers on the tie rod end, and noticed it had marks where it had been pinched when I tried to turn the steering wheel with no weight on the thing! :o
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Getting there slowly but surely! I'm gett'n sick of doing shit over though! ::)
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Practice makes perfect?
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Yeah true but it gets a bit old at times, I do to me self though, like the mounts for the wing, I don't know why I done it either I just got em and thought ah I'll cut some box section in half and weld it to the mount, I did that sat back admired the weld cause it looked sooo good then it hit me now how do I mount it to the roll bar? ??? Then I came up with what you see now... I'm just not thinking it through.. ::)
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I'm just not thinking it through.. ::)
You'll learn soon enough, that's why my projects take so long. I do my best to think stuff through and still end up redoing.
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You'll learn soon enough, that's why my projects take so long. I do my best to think stuff through and still end up redoing.
Hahahah that's exactly what I mean bud! I'm happy to know I'm not the only one it happens to though.. ;D
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Happens to me all the time but not as often as it used to. I like the wing on there.
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Thanks Master, I saw another one running around with one and thought it looked cool so I hunted around and found one, mounting it, well that was some fun and games.. ::) What do you think would be a better way of attaching the wing?
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Thanks Master, I saw another one running around with one and thought it looked cool so I hunted around and found one, mounting it, well that was some fun and games.. ::) What do you think would be a better way of attaching the wing?
Get rid of the angle brackets on the stanchions and the square tube halves. Weld on 4 tabs to your roll cage in appropriate locations to line up with the stanchion mounts bolt holes removing a need for the angle mounts. Bolt the wing stanchions directly to the tabs. Will look much neater and uncluttered for a nice simple mount that's not all bunched up.
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Like this
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BTW,where did you get the wing? I think I've seen them on ebay for a pretty cheap price. What do you think of the wing? Very sturdy? Give us a product revue! ;D ;D
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Yeah fairly sturdy but they didn't think through doing up the bolts underneath the mounting bracket, you can't get the allan wrench in to do it up! ::) Also I think the bolts should go straight through with a nut on the bottom, and I had to re-drill and tap the holes for the mounting bracket, that's why I was thinking just drill the hole straight through and put a button head type bolt with a washer two either side, also I think it maybe too wide could use a trim.. Oh and it scratches pretty easy. But for what I paid for it, I think it was an OK buy.
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Oh and thanks for the advise on mounting too I had a bad day when I was mounting it keept having brain farts.. :-\ Also Master I got off e-bay ifn I didn't say so!
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Like this Master?
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That's more like it.
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;D
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Thanks guys! I got a bit more done today, man I had a shit fight getting the instrument panel cut into the alli! Freak'n thing!! 9:
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I managed to get the dash and ignition bolted in, and the wing bolted on properly! Here's a couple of pics.. I also welded two Earls fittings on the radiator.
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I think I maybe should have taken off the masking tape.. ::)
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Looking great man!
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Thanks Bud! ;D
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It's looking good Dave! Looks like it won't be too long and you should have her running. Keep up the good work ;)
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Thanks Adam!
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Hey Reidy, nice build mate. Dont want to upset you but your better off knowing now before its to late. I used the exact same wing on my piranha, it blew off after about 10 hours use, you really need to secure the wing to the mounting brackets better. If you remove the end plates you will see what the mounting bolts are threading in to - sweet f+%*# all ! Better off having a bolt and nylock nut that goes all the way through the wing. sorry man !
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Hey Thanks mate I was looking at it a couple of days ago and decided to do pretty much that I drilled straight down through the wing and put ss bolts in. But I looked at the end plate and it should hold, I mean holy crap you musta been moving!! :o Thanks for the heads up though! ;) Them Redline buggys are start'n to look better.. ::)
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You also should use a ferrule for the bolt to pass through so you can properly lock the wing down . The bottom hole in the wing should not let the ferrule pass through .
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Why is that Master so it wont elongate it?
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So you can tighten bolt and not crush the wing while clamping both the top and bottom surfaces. Ferrules should always be used on a thin section hollow stock. Call it a crush tube if you wish. I usually weld them in place. They can be loose if done as I suggested though.
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Cool thanks Master I'll look into it! ;D
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Thanks for accepting the refund Dave, it was starting to get to me that one of my customers wasn't happy, I must say it's something I don't like to hear. Don't worry about sending any of the parts back. I hope to see more of your build as it progresses, good luck and have a good day mate!
~Adam
Grimm Reaper Racing
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You're welcome! I could tell it was effecting ya, but thank you I do appreciate it! However I did say not to worry I was happy to leave it there! But it certainly was a nice gesture on your behalf! ;)
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Is the wing primarily for asthetics or is it actually going to affect the handling? Looks good, just wondering how functional it is.
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Sorry for the slow response Komelika been a busy, purely aesthetics mate I seen a pic of one or two over here in OZ and thought it looked cool so I got one and whacked it on!
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Reidy,
Actually if the wing is somewhat rigid, I think you'll will be surprised at how much down force that thing will generate.
Think about driving down the highway at speed and sticking your hand out the window. You can see how much force is created from a small surface such as your hand. Now look at the surface area of that double wing spoiler and you can get an idea of how much force it's capable of. Then you factor into the equation that air is a fluid, and the amount of force generated is exponentially greater at increased speeds.
I used to race 1/8 scale R/C buggies all over the nation, and I can tell you that with out that little wing you're screwed, so taking that knowledge to a larger scale, I think that having a wing on your buggy is a fookin great idea! Especially since these Cuda's are only rear wheel drive. Any help you can get keeping the nose up is good. If i had to choose between landing on the nose or the rear end, I'll take the rear end any day. ;)
Like I said before, as long as it's fairly rigid, it should work great! While in the air it should help keep the nose up and it will help a tiny bit to keep your buggy from leaning left or right on the big jumps. Compile that with the "Fookin COOL Factor" and I like it ;D
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Good points Grimm. We see wind tunnel tests and such all the time and seem to forget about things like RC cars that are real world "wind tunnel " results.
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Yeah I suppose ya right, I didn't really think of it that way, I mean I knew it would generate some down force but I mainly thought it looked kick ass so I put it on! Thanks I think it looks pretty cool too! ;D
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Actually Adam you can get em on E-bay if ya interested, you'll hafta do some mods to it but!
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Definitely has a "trick" factor! If they are still available in 15 years when I get to that point then I'll have to look into it!
By the time I get there ground based "cars" might be a thing of the past and all cars will have wings. LOL
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You'll use an anchor then.
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water world!
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I thought we were all suppose to be flying about in Mollar sky cars by now ??? go figure. ::)
Maybe it went the way of the hydrogen propelled car. ;D
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Just thought I'd let you guys know I did all my front end with Edge alli spacers that were supplied with the kit I purchased. Anyway I noticed that to turn the front wheels from side to side took a bit of effort! And that was with the front end off the ground! It was near impossible to get a hold of the wheel and just turn the wheels from side to side and have the steering wheel spin! Also I noticed that you don't get much of a turning circle! So I had a look through Doug's stuff and noticed he had the spacers for sale and the other bits you weld into the end of ya a-arms to give you better turning circle! So I changed the spacers over, now I can grab the wheel and just move it through the turning range of movement :o ;D also I noticed on the alli spacers there is marks on them where I had tried to turn the wheels. eyes Oh I'll put some photos up soon.
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Thanks for posting up the improvments it has made. I still dont know why Edge has not corrected this as it seems simple enough to me
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why should they fix it Doug when you have already! let them sellthe plans and you sell all the bad a$$ parts to make it right! 8)
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apparently that's what the deal is 8)
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Isn't it one of those things that weren't really a problem, or didn't exist? eyes
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Oh yeah...I remember hearing that it was "good enough"
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"good 'nuff" -isn't that the same as "I don't give a fook"?
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"good 'nuff" -isn't that the same as "I don't give a fook"?
That's good efooking nuff
That's SPEC SPEAK
That's I don't give a FOOK
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Hey Doug HELP!!! What size did you make these???
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I can only get it on like three turns then it gets sooo tight honestly if ya knew a girl like that you'd marry her.. ;D
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Pipe thread. Put some thread sealer on and crank them in.
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Really are they suppose to be as tight as that? Cause this is the first time I've had the money to use these expensive fittings....
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They will thread in about another 4 turns most likely. You just theaded them in finger tight so far haven't you? I don't see any pipe thread sealer on the threads anyway. The threads are tapered and will tighten up a lot more. That is unless doug supplied you with NPT which is standard here in the US . Your adapters aren't metric by some strange chance are they?
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Yeah the raw alli part is one of Dougs and the other is an Earls which are made in the States. When you say thread sealer do you mean the thread tape?
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On second look,I can't really see ,but are the AN adapters possibly inverted flare on the opposite end? The threads appear to be straight in the blur. Is that the case? If so I'm pretty positive dougs adapters are tapered NPT. You might want to let Doug verify that though. The standard setup is NPT on the piece doug sent you and the adapter is NPTxAN.
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Doug said it was 8an and the guy at Earls said it was 1 quater something or rather.
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Yeah the raw alli part is one of Dougs and the other is an Earls which are made in the States. When you say thread sealer do you mean the thread tape?
I prefer to use old style brush on pipe sealer but tape is OK. If using tape only put 2 wraps on the threads. Too much is worse than not enough on tapered pipe threads. AS a side note tape should really not be used on any plastic tapered pipe threads as it is too firm to "squeeze out" as it is tightened and will creep out later leading to a leak or breaking the fitting if you actually get it tight enough.. The fittings are compatible. Just add tape or "pipe dope" and tighten it up.
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The fittings you have there from me are indeed 1/4" NPT. I have also made those in AN-8. Now I see the pic, it is clear what you have. Its been quite some time since you bought those from me and I hd te AN 8 stuck in my head for some reason. If the fitting from earls is a 1/4" NPT, then just wrench it in and stop when she does not go anymore. The taper lock will seal the connection. If you want it to have more contact you could run a 1/4" NPT tap into it a couple more turns. IMO it should have more contact than 3 threads. If you cant get a tap, let me know and Ill send you one!
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If you cant get a tap, let me know and Ill send you one!
OK thats not great customer service...
Thats ""UNHEARD OF GREAT"" customer service!! mm:
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If you do tap it be very careful as a small amount larger will let the fitting seat MUCH deeper in comparision to where it is now.
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The fittings you have there from me are indeed 1/4" NPT. I have also made those in AN-8. Now I see the pic, it is clear what you have. Its been quite some time since you bought those from me and I hd te AN 8 stuck in my head for some reason. If the fitting from earls is a 1/4" NPT, then just wrench it in and stop when she does not go anymore. The taper lock will seal the connection. If you want it to have more contact you could run a 1/4" NPT tap into it a couple more turns. IMO it should have more contact than 3 threads. If you cant get a tap, let me know and Ill send you one!
Wow Doug you da Man! Thanks I'll see how I go just didn't want to force it and strip it!
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I prefer to use old style brush on pipe sealer but tape is OK. If using tape only put 2 wraps on the threads. Too much is worse than not enough on tapered pipe threads. AS a side note tape should really not be used on any plastic tapered pipe threads as it is too firm to "squeeze out" as it is tightened and will creep out later leading to a leak or breaking the fitting if you actually get it tight enough.. The fittings are compatible. Just add tape or "pipe dope" and tighten it up.
Actually I was taught that back in the late 80s early 90's it's fair to say i'd forgotten it.. eyes But Thanks it's all good info to sometimes ring the bell, man these meds aren't doing me any favours! It scares the shit outta me to think that maybe one day I might not remember my kids or wife. :'(
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Just general info put out for anyone interested.
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OK thats not great customer service...
Thats ""UNHEARD OF GREAT"" customer service!! mm:
Ahh dont mention it. Dave is a great customer. He has spent enough to justify it and I do get satisfaction out of helping others out. Becides its possble it is my goof up.
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Ahh dont mention it. Dave is a great customer. He has spent enough to justify it and I do get satisfaction out of helping others out. Becides its possble it is my goof up.
I have had MANY places screw stuff up on me and even the few times when they acknowledged it was actually thier fault would not fix the problem!
So I will stand with my original statement! :D
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and I thank you 8)
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Well Thank You Very much for your kind offer of sending me the tap Doug but I think I may have it! I wound on a bit of the Teflon tape onto the 1/4 npt adaptor and just did the usual to make the Earls pipe from the fitting you made Doug which the guy from Earls said wow that's nice did you make that I said nah a guy in the States made it for me, he said it's a bloody good job, I said yeah he only does quality work!! ;) Thanks for your earlier comments Doug it's nice to know that you think of me as a valued customer!! ;) ;D 8)
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Customer service seems to be lacking on many levels in this (and others) sport/industry. Doug is one of the best! Customers DO matter.
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Ain't that the truth Master! I went to a harley shop to buy a pressure switch for the brakes so the brake light works anyway cause I didn't know what model bike it was for he didn't want to know about it!! Even though I bought up the fact that I purchased a bike from them a few years ago and that I was thinking about buying another one... I might just buy another Triumph..
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Anyone can make a sale, the goal is to make a customer. Customers come back, customers dont beat you up on price, cause they realize there is more to this sale than just this item, customer service. If I screw up I fix it (most likly free), if you screw up I fix it (maybe not for free but I'll fix it).
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Yeah that's what's sadly lacking these days Carl and it pisses me off no end! Well they lost me as a customer!! ;D I will not go back there stuff em!
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Well guys here's some pics of my latest bits done. Oh and I undercoated my front wheels, and replaced the oil cooler for an Earls...
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I might mention something here about the aluminum AN fittinfs like Eals,Russell,Aeroquip and others sell. DO NOT overtighten them. They only require a very moderate amount of torque on them or they will deform and make them a real pain in the ass to remove later. The nut will not want to easily turn on the fitting.Easy does it. No need to get out the cheater bar on them LOL!!!!! Also remember that on the smaller sizes they can be a bit fragile also. I'm considering using the steel ones in the future at least on the smaller ones for a more reliable and stronger connection. Not as blingy but IMO much better in many ways.
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Looking good reidy!
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Thanks Master that's why I was asking questions before I've had a few misshaps years ago like a lot of people working the old Jap motorcross bikes, ya know over tightening something here or cross threading something there.. eyes Ya live and learn rofl sometimes.. LMAO Well ya'd hope so huh? I guess the big test will be when I start it, weather or not it'll go like a sprinkler..
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I'm pretty sure you'll be leak free.
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I'd like to point out another often overlooked subject and about as important as it can get also. CLEAN the hose out after assembling the fitting to the hose. There WILL be debris in it that will NOT just blow out with air. You MUST use solvent/carb cleaner/brake cleaner/good old Dawn Dish Soap---whatever turns you on ---to get rid of all those little rubber particles that are clinging to the inner wall. The first thing that happens with fuel injection lines if not properly cleaned is that you plug the injector screen with crap and you have a shitty running engine at best or at worst you lean out a cylinder or 2 on a boosted engine and watch it melt pistons.
Bottom line is -there is no such thing as too clean when fabbing liquid lines.
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C'mon ask me how I know this. ;) eyes BTDT LMAO
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How you know dat Fabr rofl
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You too,huh?
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Time before last when Enemy was at LS he was having all kinds of trouble with his busa rail. Guess what it was .I had him remove the injectors,clean the debris from their screens ,clean out the lines and VIOLA!!!!! .Again BTDT BS myself. LOL!!!!
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I know from Hydraulics... rubber bits in the valves so the boom and shit creeps up or down...nothing scarier than being in the shop with a boom that will lift higher than the ceiling...and it won't quit going up :m 2: :m
Till ya shut off the motor
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LOL! Done that too! LOL!
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Yeah actually after I had experimented with the best way to cut the line eyes weather with the chisel and block of aluminuim, or the tape and angle grinder eyes and cause i didn't have the wide chisel the grinder and tape won but with that came the crap in the line, I noticed it when I turned it over so I blew it out with the air, so thanks for the heads up I'll take em off and clean em out properly!!
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Glad to have saved you some headaches.
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Yeah thanks, mine's not injected but it'll certainly help! I managed to get her on her feet today! She looks good! Here's some pics...
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Do I hear vroom vroom sounds?
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Really was I making em that loud? Could you hear me? ;D
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1/2 way 'round the world loud! LOL!!!
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I was give'n it some me lips are still sore... rofl
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heheheeeee!
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Good on ya Dave ;D
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Thanks Spec I'm get'n there Mate not too long now I hope!
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Awesome Dave! Congrats! Looks great!
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Thanks Doug! Not tooo long now... ;D
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I'm considering using the steel ones in the future at least on the smaller ones for a more reliable and stronger connection. Not as blingy but IMO much better in many ways.
Stainless steel AN fittings?
What are you, homeless?
You could save a couple of pounds over the whole rail if you use the titanium fittings - and they only cost like four or five times as much...
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Four or five times as much :o my God I found it hard to pay what I did for those!! eyes ;D
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Yeah, I was all "Hey those are cool", then I saw the price and it was more "My eyes! My eyes! They're burning!"
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Yeah Mate I'm hear'n ya don't worry, but hey those Jones's are gett'n a ways a head.. eyes eyes
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Nah mate, the Joneses can cram it where the sun doesn't shine. Don't have to please anybody but yourself with YOUR buggy!
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Yeah ya 100% right as usual Chris I was have'n a bit of a joke Bud!! I do like the look of em and I near put em on the Piranah but that was no Cuda.
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Unfortunately I couldn't use the alli wheels I had in the pics earlier cause I can't find the front rims. eyes Talk about pissing me off!!
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Just thought I'd keep her on the board.. ;D eyes
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You lose stuff too huh? Don't worry they'll show up exactly 1 minute after you buy non returnable replacements!
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Yeah isn't that always the way.. eyes
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Always is for me.
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Or Master ya pay a couple of grand for oh lets say a big flat screen TV a plasma maybe then a coupla months later you open a pamphlet and see it's at some place for two grand cheaper, then a couple of more months later you find it again cheaper still then ya wife takes great pleasure in pointing out every time she see's one cheaper just to twist the knife a little more! eyes eyes
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LOL!!!!!! yep,soooooo true.
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Yeah I suppose ya right, I didn't really think of it that way, I mean I knew it would generate some down force but I mainly thought it looked kick ass so I put it on! Thanks I think it looks pretty cool too! ;D
OK who's been muck'n with the posts??? I don't remember doing this!! ;D It sure is damn funny but...
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kick kick
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LOL!! I just tried the word kic k and it posted the smiley. LOL!!!!
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kick kick kic k kic k kick kick
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LOL!!!! Just can't ust the word now LOL!!!!!!
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Same goes for the word eyes (e y e s) Makes the rolly eyes. As do the other words associated with thier particular smiley icon.
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Ah Hahahahah so it was you Master! :P You're a funny bugger! LMAO rofl
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I got a bit board so I took some photos of the tank I've been doing I dunno that I like it yet, what do you all think?
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looking good ;D how long till first test?
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Thanks Dave, it'll be a while still got all the wiring to do. eyes
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Um....yes not looking forward to that myself, just about there too.
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You haven't mounted ya motor yet have ya? Oh yeah ya have, man how long ago did you start that build Dave?
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Jan 2009, been a slow process my wife has got the shits ??? when i started i told her it would only take 3-4 months LMAO .
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haha, i remember thinking when i started mine than i should have it done in 3 months no problem. 2years later had my first test drive.
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Dave, The mounting of the tank is very very similar to how I mounted it on mine. Looks good from here!
No matter how long it takes... DONT RUSH IT!
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Thanks Doug, there are some bits I'm not totally happy with, but I want to get the friggen thing going cause not having a shed is f cked it's got surface rust in places, and it pisses me off when it starts raining and I get wet.... Stuff the council I'm gonna just build my shed, they don't pay my mortgage!!!
OK I've had my whinge for the day I'm gonna go do some..
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Hey car looks great, I haven't looked around the site much lately, gotta get that baby off and running!! The last stages of the build seem like they would be easy, but they end up taking the longest!!
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AMEN !!!!!!!!
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Ya not wrong there guys, gees just trying to figure a decent way to make a connector between the throttle cables, the one from the throttle box to the two bike cables. I wasn't sure if it was Rick S who's buggy I saw on Edge I think it was Edge anyway who ever it was made a nice little billet block with the one cable coming in the top, attaching it to the two others it was very nice but do you think I can find it... eyes Actually Doug what did you do with your Cuda?
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one single long cable. loose the return cable. Its not needed.
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Man I think I'm gett'n oldtimers disease, you did tell me that once before i think didn't you Doug? eyes
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My Dad calls it "sometimers" sometimes you can remember it sometimes you can't!!!
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That would be "CRAFT" ...can't remember a f@&king thing. ;D
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Ya not wrong it scares the shit outa me!! ??? :-[
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I asked my GP a while back if I was getting alzheimers cux I can't remember anything any more...
He asked me ever go in the house to pee?
Ya
ever forget to pee while there?
ya
Are you pants wet when you forget to pee?
no
Don't worry about it your just preoccupied all the time rofl LMAO rofl
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LOL!
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Hahahahahah you're a funny bugger Spec... ii: ii: ii: :nw
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Well I've done a little bit since getting over the dreaded jet lag... Here a couple of pics.
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And it only took 7 months rofl
Sorry Dave,,, But its good to see you back at it!
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Hahahaha you're a funny guy Douglas ;D but seriously the shed has me in the frame of mind that cause there is so little room I don't want to go in there.. eyes ;D also things are hard to find it's a pain in the butt, oh and thanks it's good to have a go huh but I can't wait to get my shed done eyes thats depending on the council....
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Go get em Reids ;D
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I'm have'n a go Spec ;D eventhough I left it a bit sorta late.. eyes
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Better late than never...
I was supposed to be leaving for Coffeyville in 7 hours,,,
not happening for 7 days :-* :P :-X :-\
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Ah man I gotta get onto those freaks at customs again and see what they've got to say for em selves. :-\
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Well I've done a little bit since getting over the dreaded jet lag... Here a couple of pics.
Nice Aluminum welding!
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Thanks Eng but I'm not totally happy with it so I'll try again eyes rofl Actually Adams effort on his tank has inspired me to change mine. He did a damn good job on his! then again he does have waterjets and the like..... eyes
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I didn't see any big holes burned in it so it's better than I could do on aluminum. rofl
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Reidy02
What size filler wire are you using? Can you burn back over the weld and flatten it out any. May set your machine on pulse and run back over all the welds. Use a circular motion with your torch and make it look better. The weld would be wider but flatter.
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I didn't see any big holes burned in it so it's better than I could do on aluminum. rofl
Hahaha thanks Eng, I looked at the top of it and it's not square, the welds aren't the best but practise makes perfect! Also when I get my shed built I'll have me Miller Dx250 set up and my CNC plasma table going, but then I'll hafta learn to use all that then it'll put me behind again eyes, ah well gottahave a go huh.. ;D
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Reidy02
What size filler wire are you using? Can you burn back over the weld and flatten it out any. May set your machine on pulse and run back over all the welds. Use a circular motion with your torch and make it look better. The weld would be wider but flatter.
Thanks Fast, but I had a bit of a stuff up with the flange for the cap, when I welded it, the lip I left to weld to actually pulled/cracked and pulled away from the internal edge, soooo I'll hafta spin another one up and I want to change the tank more so I'll chalk it up to experince I guess! eyes It's hard being a fussy prick when ya sometimes find ya talents lacking.. :-\ At least I'm trying! huh ;)
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+1. I do that all the time.
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Thanks Fast, but I had a bit of a stuff up with the flange for the cap, when I welded it, the lip I left to weld to actually pulled/cracked and pulled away from the internal edge, soooo I'll hafta spin another one up and I want to change the tank more so I'll chalk it up to experince I guess! eyes It's hard being a fussy prick when ya sometimes find ya talents lacking.. :-\ At least I'm trying! huh ;)
Just because your a fussy prick don't mean you still can't try to do the best. Practice makes perfect. Read my Sig line.
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+1. I do that all the time.
Hahaha it makes it a bit hard on the old wallet though... ;D
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Dammit Fabr!
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;D You KNEW it was coming.
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Hahaha it makes it a bit hard on the old wallet though... ;D
Ya,I've noticed that many times.
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WTH I just typed out a reply to Fasts reply and went to add a smiley and it wiped out what I had typed and something from Boost came up!
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I think the Yumster's screwing with me again... :P
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Dammit Fabr!
What's this an in joke? :P
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You don't wanna know.
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Yeah I do! :D
YA PURPLE M&M...INQUIERING MINDS WANT TO KNOW rofl
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OK OK I get it NICE!! rofl rofl
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HE HE HE HE
We here at DTS aim to please
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Thanks Eng but I'm not totally happy with it so I'll try again eyes rofl Actually Adams effort on his tank has inspired me to change mine. He did a damn good job on his! then again he does have waterjets and the like..... eyes
Thanks for the compliment Reidy ;D
It's the CAD software that made my tank easy to design.
I can send you a .pdf , .dwg, and .dxf of mine so you have something to follow. If you can find a waterjet or laser cutter over there, you could give them the .dxf file. Or you can print out the .pdf and transfer it to the alum, and cut it out old school. ;)
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You're Welcome Adam, credit where credit's due! Yeah thanks I will take you up on that cause when I was in the States I got me self a CNC plasma table, well bits of it so I can make up the rest from material bought here to cut cost ;D I'll pm you my e-mail adress. How did ya go ya all dried out from the flood?
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Just because your a fussy prick don't mean you still can't try to do the best. Practice makes perfect. Read my Sig line.
That's exactly right Fast and I do try and do my best, but at times I rush it and get a bit fustraited at the lack of space in my shed! Honestly I was working in there the otherday and I had to go out side to change my mind.... ;D
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That's exactly right Fast and I do try and do my best, but at times I rush it and get a bit fustraited at the lack of space in my shed! Honestly I was working in there the otherday and I had to go out side to change my mind.... ;D
LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl
Your cool mister Reidy.
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Why thank you Mr Fast! ;D Here's a couple of pics of my new filler / gas cap flange, all spun up old school! I'm pretty impressed with it! I've still gotta drill and tap the holes for the allen bolts.. eyes
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That's looks real nice
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Looks really nice Reidy
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Thanks Guys! I appreciate it! ;D
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Wow Reids that does look great...Didn't have time to post this morning 8)
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Thanks Spec! ;D
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Well I finally got into the tank and did some it doesn't look too bad! I wanted it up at the back like that so it's easier to get fuel into it! ;D 8)
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Well I finally got into the tank and did some it doesn't look too bad! I wanted it up at the back like that so it's easier to get fuel into it! ;D 8)
You are a quick learner there Reidy. That looks munch better and it's just your second go at it. Looks good.
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Hahaha thanks very much Fast, but to be totally honest it's not my second, I've had a coulpe of goes at it. ;D
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Looks pretty damn nice for just your first few tries then!!! Nice job.
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That lookS GREAT REIDS jj:
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Thanks guys! I did a bit of polishing on it this arvo but not sure weather to go to all that trouble or just hit with the orbital sander..Hmmmmm
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Looks good Reidy! I'm glad to see you did it on your own. I wouldn't have made my cad drawing small enough for you it looks like anyway. I'll bet you learned something on this project for sure.
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Thanks guys! I did a bit of polishing on it this arvo but not sure weather to go to all that trouble or just hit with the orbital sander..Hmmmmm
DONT DROP IT!!!!
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Yeah sure did [learn somethings that is!] ;D I actually dropped it and put a dent in the friggen thing that's why Doug said don't drop it, I think! rofl then I tried adding filler to it and made it worse so I cut it off and re did it outta 3mm, but I would still appreciate it if you would send those files. I'll take some pics and post em soon.
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Well guys it's offical I got the OK from the council for my shed. ;D I'll put up some pics soon. ;)
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As I said I got my shed, here's a pic or two of the pack less the roller doors. Also the excavation for where the slab is going. 8)
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What size is your new building going to be?
Looks like your fuel tank turned out VERY VERY NICE. ;D ;D ;D
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Grading area looks like pretty good size. I put one of the 8 x 8 metal sheds, the cheap ones, must have been 3000 screws, no bs1. This one looks better built.
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Grading area looks like pretty good size. I put one of the 8 x 8 metal sheds, the cheap ones, must have been 3000 screws, no bs1. This one looks better built.
3000 screws!!! You and your wife had to be very very tried! LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO LMAO
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It's 6mx9m that was the biggest the stink'n council would let me go eyes and they baulked at that. eyes Ah and I'm getting a company to put it up ;D cause the old backs kill'n me now, and I've only done a bit of shoveling, oh and putting up the silt fence. thumb down
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What size is your new building going to be?
Looks like your fuel tank turned out VERY VERY NICE. ;D ;D ;D
Hahahahaha rofl Good one I've been a bit slack in putting a pic of that up,my camera shitting it's self didn't help. Ah sorry Transman I thought you were being sarcastic cause I haven't put the pics of the finished tank up yet, man I need somemore meds or beer. Something..