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UTV's Off Road ( RZR, YXZ, Mini Buggy, Carts,etc.) => UTV Member Project Logs => Topic started by: Buggybaz on March 20, 2009, 06:05:37 AM
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Thought I'd start a new thread here,DUE to recent developements! :(
After a lot of Mods and time off work to get this Drak up to scratch,I thought I was seeing the tunnel light...
Took it to Ab rd for testing last night,before Sat Monster Trucks Speedway support event that I was lookin' forward to be in with the other guys.Recent clutch work needed the holding bolt to be re-torqued and THAT I thought was IT! Everthing was goin' fine...
On the last test run (why is ALWAYS the last test run? :o) I lined the drak up with the trailer planks,and noticed it did'nt want to idle,and there was horrible knocking noise.Shut if off,checked the clutch-fine-,then did a comp check.LHS 150PSI Great!,then RHS 120PSI :o Just lost 30PSI.I think I snagged a ring,and it's bangin' in the chamber.
They say it comes in 3's?
1st Dave's,then Bug's....now mine! WTF,must be like women that go in sync with their...you know? ::) ;D
Guys,what did it cost for the Rotax's 600's parts rebuild?
Looks like I'm next to order....Damn!...Does it ever end?
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Sorry to hear that, Baz. :( The SPI pistons were $55 a piece, caged wrist pin bearings $15 each, gasket kit was $30 I think. These prices were from the guy who had the cylinder boring done, so your mileage may vary.
I look at it this way regarding my axle breaking, it could have happened in the middle of an race. Better to get it out of the way now.
And, no, it never ends. Not until you sell it, anyways. So for me, it will never end!
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TITS....
TIRES.....
TRACKS.....
THEY ALL COST YA MONEY AND HEARTBREAK 5: :m
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Baz can you source spi pistons over there? i assume you should be able to sourced the other parts, If not let me know i will help out.. DO not buy oem pistons, I know how much you like to buy brand, but they are POS from what i have been told, As well as the wisecos...
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Thanks for the replies guys.
Dave,those prices look good,I doubt I could get anything here,plus would be way dearer.Rotaxs are like honest politicians here! :o
Bug I'm going to tear down this morn,I would prefer to get everything to do the top ends from US.Anything I need to know before I start?
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Yes, the piston pin bearings do not have a cage, Turn the motor on its side when you pull the pin so you dont drop a needle in the lower end, throw them in the trash and put some caged bearings in it. Can you get the bore done ever there?
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Oh, dont let anyone tell you there Niskal either, they are cast cylinders in that engine, See how bad the bore is, cant be to bad if it has 130lbs still.. Maybe you can just re ring it and get the rest of the season out of her...
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Ya at 130 thats could just be a cracked piston, or a weak ring...
So Bugs prolly right ;)
Hopefully
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There is a rather large group that can do niskal well over here... Bazz post up some follow up info, I assume you got it all apart this afternoon... ;D We could get you some rings and pistons shipped pronto if you need them, and they are in stock... ;D
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Extracted the ROO-TAX yesterday arvo,what a pleasant and great way to spend Sat arvo! :P
Fab'd up a new Clutch puller/pusher bolt,as the MK 1 version(last week) twisted in the clutch,jammed,and after a lot of mega twisting on the ratchet,greased up the inside,and tapping on the bolt after 2 !@#$ hrs,finally bammd off.I shoulda supported the clutch under the sheave,to take the load off the crank. I think that this might have caused the prob I have now.Turning the clutch(on the crank),after removing the plugs,it's notchy every poofteenth of a turn,this must be the knocking I heard? Crank bearing?
I have MEGA hangover today (Mate's burpday Barbie last light/morn.
Don't know if I can handle the Rootax this morn.Will try maybe later.
Camel,yes I am still spewin' I missed the Monster Trucks Bunbury.We should be watching Kelly's vids,and my HellCam vids of it today,instead of my sorry arse thread here.......Damn!!!!!
Yes I do know Hamish,he's a Mate of my Mate's,nice guy,loves a drink,what!
Sssshhh!!!...NO yelling today! ::)
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Bazz, that sux ass totally, On a side note, you pack the clutch bolt hole with grease then insert the puller, It hydraulically presses it off, Best off to find another engine, crank replacement is very expensive, and often un reliable...
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Yes I did doo the grease thing Bug,I mentioned it in my reply above.
I am hoping that the crank bearings are the prob and not the crank itself.
If not,how much are the 600's going for?
I placed the 1 piece FG Drak roof on my LT500 Pilot for safe keeping.
Looks like it would fit nicely with small mods.
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Sorry, i didnt even see that, the crank bearings are pressed on, the crank has to be split in half to do so... From what i have seen and been told, very very few people can do it right, Almost everyone i see on dootalk complains engines wont run right after crank rebuild....I put a feeler out for a used engine already, Im thinking with winter fastly departing, a 600 engine could be had inexpensive right now...
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Baz, I tried pretty hard to get a crank built here. A special jig has to be used in reassembly. Very few in Aus have been successful doing SeaDoos and nobody (that I could find) has done a SkiDoo. I ended up taking mine to The Crankshop in Vermont - they seem to be the most respected for this job (and plenty of other SkiDoo related stuff). I have yet to assemble that engine but I am hoping it will be fine. I think it was something like USD$500 exchange. Have a look on their website.
I sort of agree with Bug - with winter ending in the US a motor may be the best option. Unlucky about the exchange rate!!! (I just ordered some stuff and it hurts seeing $1000 on your account when a year ago it would have been $650)
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Thanks again everyone for your help.Bug that would be great to look out for a replacement.
Thanks Brendan,I checked the site out.
Took it all apart this arvo,not good.The mag side piston has damage from some metal being pounded and scraped in the cyl and piston.
I think it comes from the central crank bearings? If you hold one end of the crank,and turn the other end back and forth,the 2 halves have slop.
They do not turn together.I noticed that the pistons were diff,is that normal? The mag side seems to have a dark coating and is diff around the pin-clip areas.
I also found a small narrow rectagular white rubber gasket seal in the water jacket.Anyone ID it?
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Hmm only one pic uploaded before?
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By the soot on the skirts I guess that pistoins ring have been leaking for a while :(
What year 600 you want I can get in the papers...snows almost gone here...
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Just has to be a non ho 600 spec, 1999 - 2002 i think, or a newer 500 ss is the same engine... Id say the crank is definitley toasted...there is other ways to do it as well. A 440 has the same bore and stroke, but the piston pin is a different size, you have to use pistons from a 583, still makes 600 when done, One of odypilots motors is this way...
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It says it's a type 593 on the ID Tag-597cc
Model # M5334950
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Baz,
I've successfully replaced bearings and aligned single, twin and four cylinder cranks. It can be done, you just need a big copper hammer, a hydraulic press, vee blocks, dial guages and most of all, patience. Lots of patience.
I'd give you a hand... but I'm off to Bangkok tomorrow morning to spend a month riding shotgun on sodium cyanide and sulphuric acid shipments across south east asia! Yeehar!
Camel
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it is 597 cc's bazz, as i was commenting on the 440, the stroke is the same, pistons are smaller.. you can buy a rebuilt crank, IMO its not worth the gamble... Spi sells a crank... That is motor number as well, like serial number or vin#, the model is the 593...
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Shanks for ya offer of help Mark o Polo. ;D
ONE month ay? :'( Do the Camellettes ever say to mum,"Who's that man again Mummy?" Safe travels Mate.(your really lookin' for Osama Bin Hidin' ay? Reward$$$? ;D)
Sorry Bug,I realised my Mizterk later.It says Mot.Nr,obviously a serial # of the engine.
So the 2 options are rebuild the crank and motor,or buy a used 600 replacement. Why would the crank have slop/slip in the middle tho,when turning the ends in opp direction?
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it is pressed together, it apparently came loose, split the case in halve and see whats up, certainly cant do anymore harm to it.... Option two, drop a 800 in her... with exchange you probbaly can score an 800 for about 15-1600 aus...I have been told the 600 pipe will work on it as well...Have to modify the output end to a larger diameter, But hey I know a hell of a pipe guy on the WAS forum... ;D
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BTW, shoot me an email if ya got time, I have some good info for you as well...
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Started on the crank cases this arvo,had to make a crank holder to remove the main holding nut,then a puller (sorry Fraser)to remove the stator/magneto thingie.Never done this bot end stuff before,feel outa my depth,but sorta enjoying treading water with it and learning.
The center of crank case was full of oil for the oil/water pump gears.
I checked the main bearings for spinning,seem fine and still have their locating/holding pins in them.
I counterotated the crank ends to see where the slop/slip is,and it's where the main central crank pin (where the oil/water pump helix gear sits)joins into the first crank lobe on the Mag side.Is it poss to just true this all up and weld loose central crank pin to lobe? or am I dreamin' ???
Also the notchy turning is gone with the upper case removed.
Then got dark and left it till tomorrow to remove crank.
Camel anything else you can think of for me to do/check?
Who was this scoundrel that dared mock you? ::) ;D
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Damn bazz, that may be fixeable, I dont know myself... What type of oil is in the center? Gear oil? I run 2 stroke oil in mine, It is strangely odd that it came apart there, maybe from your clutch exploration, very hard to say, You need to get rid of that clutch and get a TRA on that rig...
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I know a guy in the states that could put it back together, I am not sure of the cost, but i do know he charges 200 for assembly labor, includes top end and bottom end, on top of that would be new seals etc. Bore and pistons...If you want his ph# so you can call and chat with him let me know...
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Not sure Bug,but looks like 2 stroke oil.
Yeah,I'll eventually change to TRA.
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Check your email, I called and talked with him, Im waiting for him to return my call....
http://www.caseyscove.com/new_page_1.htm (http://www.caseyscove.com/new_page_1.htm)
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Finally yank'd the crank this arvo...NOT nice.
It's broke good!
Everything else seems fine.bearings(cept THAT adj one) cases,etc.
Just need that central shaft-if poss-adj bearing and seals,then top end kit?
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I think I can say with some authority that there crankshaft is .... broken..... no dont be amazed, years of experience have enhanced my diagnostic abilities to near an artform....
Or bull shirtform... oh I always get that mixed up...
Well Baz, you are now looking for a major assembally replacement. Im guessing from the US of A? Wouldnt be a very common item here in Aus...
Good luck mate, you got some expensive work in front of ya.
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I been keeping my eyes peeled...Here's a few I came up with...They are older...but the dimentions didn't change...
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1083615523.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1083615523.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1089649860.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1089649860.html)
This one is pretty cheap
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1086168659.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1086168659.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1079873847.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1079873847.html)
I can call on any of these if they appear to be in the range you want
2001's and up are in the 2500 to YOU WANT WHATTTT???
Found a crank
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1077194169.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1077194169.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076850128.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076850128.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076503624.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076503624.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076361119.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1076361119.html)
http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1073094200.html (http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/rvs/1073094200.html)
That's about it within 150 miles of me
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You did fiund one, the rest are all different, forumla 3 is a tripple, and 583's are rotary valve not reed... The 1400 600 isnt a bad deal at all...
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Did you get my email, 450.00 for a rebuilt crankshaft... you alkso need the good grease as well, it is very expensive, but you pack the bearings with grease or the outer bearing i think, as it gets no lube via the premix...
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G'Day all,thanks for all the help.I have finally traced down a crankshaft from a guy on Ebay,but he still needs to check on a few things.
His has black seals on the internal/central shaft,which he says changed to red after around 01. Mine are red! He said if he can use his crank,he will just remove the blacks and replace with the reds.He seems to know his onions.He's also gonna help with pistons,bearings,gasket set etc
He says that he has heard of many guys that re-taper the AC clutch to match the Rotax PTO.Reason being,the AC's are cheaper,parts,and easier to setup/tune.
I will be changing to a TRA,for sure.
He has reman 800's for 14-$1500....I'm thinkin'!...150Whorespower!.....Hmmmm....all those whores! ;D
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The 800 cc's might be the best way to go. Some of the guys you're running with are already above that power. I always hate to raise the bar, but you would just be keeping up with the Jones. Of course, with your lighter weight, if you start spanking them, they may raise it even higher.
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G'Day all,thanks for all the help.I have finally traced down a crankshaft from a guy on Ebay,but he still needs to check on a few things.
His has black seals on the internal/central shaft,which he says changed to red after around 01. Mine are red! He said if he can use his crank,he will just remove the blacks and replace with the reds.He seems to know his onions.He's also gonna help with pistons,bearings,gasket set etc
He says that he has heard of many guys that re-taper the AC clutch to match the Rotax PTO.Reason being,the AC's are cheaper,parts,and easier to setup/tune.
I will be changing to a TRA,for sure.
He has reman 800's for 14-$1500....I'm thinkin'!...150Whorespower!.....Hmmmm....all those whores! ;D
you may get what you pay for on ebay, id be leary of buying it used from there... His opinion only... Changing the seals will require parting the crankshaft, is he setup to do that?
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I checked my clutch holders and they don't fit my Drak clutches!! I had only used one once and I didn't notice at the time. When I ordered a holder they sent six. I only paid for one but they stuffed up. I think it cost me more in shipping (they came from USA) than they were worth so their mistake cost me more than it cost them. Didn't buy anything there again (the holders are a bit rough anyhow). Of course, the joke is now on me - I've now paid to ship one to you when it was no good to you anyhow!! Dingbat!!
On the subject of engines, the 700 in my two seater has been bullet proof (till next ride of course now I've said that!) You have to watch early 700s tho (I think 2000 and maybe 2001) - they broke crank bearings (PTO side from memory). This was fixed by diffferent grease packing in the later ones from memory.
I wouldn't touch a crank that somebody has changed the seals on unless there is evidence it will be reliable (like they have built 7,563 reliable ones in the past or this one has done 3,000 miles in a sled).
An 800 sounds nice!
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I checked my clutch holders and they don't fit my Drak clutches!! I had only used one once and I didn't notice at the time. When I ordered a holder they sent six. I only paid for one but they stuffed up. I think it cost me more in shipping (they came from USA) than they were worth so their mistake cost me more than it cost them. Didn't buy anything there again (the holders are a bit rough anyhow). Of course, the joke is now on me - I've now paid to ship one to you when it was no good to you anyhow!! Dingbat!!
On the subject of engines, the 700 in my two seater has been bullet proof (till next ride of course now I've said that!) You have to watch early 700s tho (I think 2000 and maybe 2001) - they broke crank bearings (PTO side from memory). This was fixed by diffferent grease packing in the later ones from memory.
I wouldn't touch a crank that somebody has changed the seals on unless there is evidence it will be reliable (like they have built 7,563 reliable ones in the past or this one has done 3,000 miles in a sled).
An 800 sounds nice!
The early 800's have bearing failures as well, seems obvious since the lower end is the same i guess, the 600 really has been bullet proof since day 1, Make certain whatever you buy is for a non ho 600, they are not the same, ho 600 has the same lower end as the 700-800's...
Bazz, just let Akpilot help you out of he offered, if you are gonna buy used buy a complete lower end IMO... That is proven...
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Here is the Ebay'r
Skidoo Summit MXZ Rebuilt Crankshaft Crank 600 600cc
crankstud
JJ Machinery
He rebuilds cranks. Utah.Powerseller.
Anyone had any dealings with this guy? Seems straight up to me on ph.
Akpilot has been a fantastic help to me,but his local salvage yard wants $450 just for a used one.
Oz has been fantastic as well.Sick of me yet Mate? ;D
Oz's clutch holder that he sent me,is 30mm 1:10 taper,just like the Odys
I tried it on an old Pilot/Ody Powerbloc,and it fits like a finger in the *** ... But when I inserted it into the AC clutch,it wobbles.Maybe it woulda fit pre re-taper?
Look at the pic of them nose to nose.My AC clutch must have been re-tapered to suit the RooTax PTO which is around 32mm,approx 1.5:10 taper?
Anyway I'll be changing to a TRA when alls done.
On the crank bearings they use Isoflex grease on them.Ak says it's pretty expensive,but it is what OEM states to use and the Drag racers.
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Forgot to ask:
How do you tell the diff with HO's and Non Ho? Externally,internally?
HP?
Wish I knew what model sled,year etc my motor came from.
All I'm sure of is that it's at least an 02 yr with the red crank seals.
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Forgot to ask:
How do you tell the diff with HO's and Non Ho? Externally,internally?
HP?
Wish I knew what model sled,year etc my motor came from.
All I'm sure of is that it's at least an 02 yr with the red crank seals.
600 ho is bigger all the way around, they refer to it as a big block, The guy i posted info for has rebuilt ones as well for 450.00... ski doo taper is 30 mm, 1.75:1 taper... parts are less expensive for a cat clutch, and easier to tune is a sales pitch IMO, Tra is a sinch to tune... and works better IMO..
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2001 -2003 i think is the same, there was no ho until 2004 I dont believe...so any 2001-2003 600 is the same regardless of model as far as i know...
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500 SS (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ski-doo-Rev-MXZ-500ss-Bottom-End-Crankcase-Engine-600_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ72Q3a1205Q7c66Q3a2Q7c65Q3a12Q7c39Q3a1Q7c240Q3a1318Q7c301Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem350165645330QQitemZ350165645330QQptZSnowmobileQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories) Same as 600 look at the motor tag, 593, Doo changed the name to compete in the market since there 600 was not true 600cc they got away with it, and the 600 now is ho...
This guy is a good ebayer...
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30mm 1.75:1 taper? Please explain?
If you mean 1.75:10 then that still does'nt match mine.
The small end start is 27mm diam on both tapers in pic.
At 1:10,it is 30mm diam at 30mm in from the front small end.
That works,as 1mm rise per 10 mm length-27+3=30
Mine is 27mm start also,but finishes at 31mm diam at 30mm in,mine has risen 4mm over 30mm dist.
So mine is more like 1.33:10 taper to finish with 31mm diam at 30 in..That make sense?
Where would I find some specs on the Rotax tapers?
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I thought one was 1:10 and the other was 1:7.5 (or 1:7 - can't remember). And I can never remember which is which. But looking at the measurements I took of mine a couple of days ago and Baz's measurements (which are the same) reminds me the new SkiDoo is 1:7.5 and the (majority of the) others is 1:10.
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30mm 1.75:1 taper? Please explain?
If you mean 1.75:10 then that still does'nt match mine.
The small end start is 27mm diam on both tapers in pic.
At 1:10,it is 30mm diam at 30mm in from the front small end.
That works,as 1mm rise per 10 mm length-27+3=30
Mine is 27mm start also,but finishes at 31mm diam at 30mm in,mine has risen 4mm over 30mm dist.
So mine is more like 1.33:10 taper to finish with 31mm diam at 30 in..That make sense?
Where would I find some specs on the Rotax tapers?
Look for clutches comet etc, I am certain the crank is 1.75:1.. just as a cat is 10:1 shit sorry, 7.5:1 were the hell i got 1.75 i havent a clue, lol....
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yup i am all messed up tonight lol, 1:10 and 1:7.5...
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So 30mm 1:7.5 taper.... That is what your crank shaft is...
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That is why i asked my original question, how do you cut a 1:10 taper to a 1:7.5, I can see doing it the other way...
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BTW Baz, you need to get (if you haven't already got) an Aaen Clutch Tuning book. Keep an eye out for one on the web and when you're buying something from somebody that sells them, buy one and get it sent over. I think I have a spare (they update them and the girl at Aaen threw one in when I was there getting some stuff) so if I can find it I'll send it when I next send something (but try to buy one in the mean time as I may take ages before I send anything!!!)
The taper details may be on an aftermarket clutch site (Comet etc) or a site where they sell different aftermarket clutches (Goodwin etc). Otherwise that CD I sent you may have it in (most likely in the Race Manual section).
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Well ... you could actually cut a 1:7.5 taper clutch to 1:10 but I think it would then slip on too far as you're cutting lots out near the outside.
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I had someone draw the two angles together one day, cad in 2 different colors, cant remember who, but a 1:10 taper will fit a 1:7.5, it had about 5 mm contact area at the big end, and was to small at the small end... Ill see if i can find it and rethink your suggestions!! :)
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ok try this out...
A 30mm base with a 1:7.5 taper at 30 mm length will be 22 mm
A 30 mm base with 1:10 taper at 30mm will length will be 24mm
thus making the 1:10 taper larger at the small end correct?
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Now unless i am totally wrong, you could not machine the 1:10 female taper, to accept the 1:7.5 male, but you could do it if it was reversed, a 1:10 male into a 1:7.5 female...
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Tapers.... Rick the red is 1:7.5 correct?
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EUREKA!
Finally you 2 have nutted it out,and it makes sense.
Small end starts at 27mm,1:7.5 taper will have 4mm rise over 30mm length in,so it's 31mm diam at that 30mm mark.
Now at 37.5mm in,it should rise 5mm & measure 32mm diam? Mine does.
So the RooTax then is a 32mm 1:7.5 Taper?
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Depends on how deep the clutch actually goes on, Ski doo is 30mm 1:7.5, Were do you come up with the 37.5mm, Maybe alain bored the cat clutch 2 32mm so he could get more of the taper to machine out of the clutch... with the larger base diameter he could have machined it some, but i am guessing it does not have full contact the whole way in....
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Anyone? Does the taper not rise double? say 1:10 in 30 mm. 3mm rise per side, or for the shaft? would it be 6mm smaller or larger or 3mm?
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It's for the shaft,as it has only one side being circular/rotational.
Doe'snt seem right,but it is.
37.5mm is the distance measured in from the start of taper,along the taper towards the motor.Why? Cause it's easier to work out what the diam should be at a given point,of multiples of the 7.5.
With a start diam of 27mm,at 1:7.5 it rises 1mm/ 7.5 distance,therefore measure at multiples of 7.5.At 30mm in towards crank,thats 4 multiples of 7.5mm. 37.5mm is 5 multiples of 7.5.So add the 5mm with the orig 27mm diam start,and you should have 32mm diam at 37.5mm in,which is what I have on mine.
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Ok sounds fair, But, were does the clutch actually sit on the shaft, that would really determine the number they calculate the bore on correct?
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Ok so if it is for the shaft our drawing is off, at 30mm bore x 30mm length the small end of 1:7.5 would be 26 mm, at 1:10 taper 30mm bore x 30mm length the small end would be 27 mm, still larger than the 1:7.5 so still seems non machinable to match accurate... Now if he machined the bore bigger to slide on that hair bit further only would take 1mm larger, he could have machined it, I am doubting it is tho, likely is just bolted on... They refer to the 10:1 as long taper, and the 7.5 as short taper in the ski doo world...I am certain my tra does not go all the way up on the taper as well.... It is a rather short contact area...
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Bazz, I also picked up a used tra clutch, had 3000 miles on it, i paid 80 bux for it, it did not have one bit of wear on the sheeves, You can get a steel on a used one, and be just as happy as the 500.00 new one I promise... ;D I know you dont like used stuff, But im to cheap to drop 5 bills on a new one myself... My old one was wore right out, had a noticeable belt groove in the sheeves...
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Bug,I see your confusion! :o
Rick's taper comparison image is from the wrong end of what we want for the clutch tapers.
The lines at the smaller end taper(top) should BOTH start at that smaller edge,not from the larger edge(bottom).This would then put the red-1:7.5 PTO taper,on the outside of image 1:10.They both need to start at the smaller end 27mm,to make the comparison relative.Then this would make sense to you?
If they have the same 30mm bore this would not be so, as they need to be 30mm at the large end...
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I hope you bought yourself one then? ;D
So that is for me then? ::)
I also need the mounting bolt and washer.
Oh and the matching belt.
Belt is not gonna change. You have the same center to center distances... I could find you one yes, or you could join Doo talk and find one yourself... ;D
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Ok you are correct, i have a 1:10 taper adapter, and it indeed is to small for a 1:7.5 clutch, So it would indeed be to large the other way around and would allow for machining...
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I should have read the rest of the thread before shooting my mouth off.
You guys had already worked this out ...
Baz, A good second hand clutch would be good to learn on and may well be as good as a newby anyhow. I hate paying $$$ to get garbage sent around the world so I won't buy garbage but a good second hand one should be good value. The main thing to be wary of seems to be the main bush - apparently they're hard to get right when replaced (the only place I have heard this from is the guy that runs the Crankshop - but if he reckons he has trouble with something like that I'm figuring plenty of others have trouble even if they don't know it!!). As you know, you can normally see wear from the belt, even in photos. And some wear can be machined out (assuming it hasn't been machined a lot before - the thickness of the sheath would tell that). If you buy from a well known person on a forum you should be OK. I even got a pretty good low mile TRA from eBay last year.
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Not shooting your mouth off Brendan at all,that was a great explanation and is correct.(as usuall) ;D
Both tapers START at the outside or end of the PTO crank.
Both tapers start at 27mm.The 1:10,finishes 30mm long and is 30mm diam so is called a 30mm 1:10 taper.Short taper.
The 1:7.5 also starts at 27mm and finishes 37.5mm long and is 32mm diam,so is called a 32mm 1:7.5 Taper.
They call them by their finished taper diameters,not their start.
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Were exactly are you seeing it called a 32mm taper tho, I have yet to see anything except 30...
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I think it was Oz who said in an email to me a while back, that he saw on the sites that the taper was called a 31 or 32mm,he was'nt sure.So I measured mine on the Drak and it's 32mm diam.
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I cant find anything referring to a 32mm bore...
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I can't remember ever seeing anything other than 30mm in what I've read. I don't know what the 30mm refers to tho - it doesn't seem to correspond to anything obvious when you measure the crank.
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Sorry Brendan,I just checked on the email and it was in ref to the AC Clutch.
" I read something last night about a 32mm taper on an Arctic Cat"
I just read earlier on,about some puller bolts,and they had ref's to 1:40 and 1:25 Doo tapers....So the plot thickens.
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Hmm, do has been 1:10 till about 96, then every model from 670 on has had a 1:7.5
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Yes I see what ya mean.Can't find much on my 02 Rotax,but came across this- http://www.sno-stuff.com/PDFs02-03/725-402.pdf It shows 2 more diff sizes,a 40mm and 25 mm tapers.
I'll keep lookin'.
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It does list your motor, 600 twin, the yr is not specific at all...
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Well I finally got the motor all back together last week,and went racing at Northam the following Sat arvo.Everything went OK,except still having off the line bogs,and the TRA does'nt fully shift out the belt by 1"-25mm.So still some more performance to come from clutch tunings.
It has adj pin weights in it,current are 20mm-3/4" long.Do I need to go down to 15,10,5mm?(5/8,3/8,1/4") Also has 289 ramps.
Bug what does your setup have? I'm all lost here.
Bug your radiator worked great too,thanks Mate.I also added an adjustable fan temp switch to it,kept the temps down to about 70C,160-165F.
Have some race vids,and HellCam to follow for ya's...IF'n ya Good! ;D
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Here's Heat 1,Group 1:
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Heat 1,Group 2:
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Heat 1,Group 2 HellCam,shortened by muded lens! :(
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Heat 2,Group 1:
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As always Baz...
COOL VIDS
And glad to see you up and running again
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Man oh man, Baz! That was a tight pass on the yellow car! When you guys came over the hill into that little kink leading to the front straight, I'm like, " Does he see him?! It's going to be close! YES, HE MADE IT!" When your front wheel goes over the bump at the edge of the track, I thought you might get bounced out into him, but no problems.
And you did quite well against the Cudas in your next heat. It's hard to keep up with 170 hp when you have 100. Thanks for the videos!
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Baz, you do realize the engine does not have enough power to shift the cvt to its max correct, it is not like the pilot, the gearing is to high in these cars, full shift out would put you at about the 140 mph mark.. Anyhow glad to hear it runs...
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After listening to the vid, does not sound like the rpms are peaking... I am not positive on the drive clutch, I was gonna take it apart and remove a tad bit of weight...
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Actually I did some gear charts, if i did it right a 22" tire with 4.75:1 trans at 8500 rpm will top at 117, still about 30 mph faster than what i anticipate the engine could pull...
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Ooo you better believe that's a smite'n..
There's some nice look'n buggys there Baz!!
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7:1 with a 24" tire would hit 87
6:1 with 20 would do 85 IMO the drak with 24" tires and 7:1 would be ideal...
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Heat 2,Group 1 HellCam:
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Heat 2, Group 2:
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Heat 3,Group 1
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Heat 3, Group 2
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HellCam.
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HellCam.
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Bazz, what did you do on carb adjustment? Did you out them other needles into it?
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No not yet Bug,have been putting most focus into engine rebuild,running in prior to races,TRA clutch setup,and race prep for last Sat arvo...enough excuses? ;D Funny thing is,carbs are all the same as before,but plug chops are showing way less F,f,fattness,more of a dry black-dark choc,instead of the previous slight Vegemite!
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Sounds fat Midrange for sure, It is a bunch cooler out now as well correct? it is extremly odd as you have near identical sea level, yet you are running 400 mains, and i was running 500's.. I currently am running 680's in my car with the 40mm racks, my egt's are hitting the 1300 mark, I may push that number to 1350... My egt has a external warning light, I am working on incorporating it to a rev limiter.... I have not checked piston wash, I am hoping one of the mechanics at DT has a bore scope when I go back... I would suspect you could change the needle down one size, then swap the pilots to the 15's especially taking into account the dramatically smaller main jet you were using, with the 500 mains i was only pushing the egts t 1200 as well tho...
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Man I love the Hell Cam stuff. Bugs told me that these have no engien braking but it still seems strange to hear it coast along like that before each corner.
Well driven by the way, nice and smooth. Obviuosly it works when against the bigger bangers. They have loads more acceleration off the mark but one wide corner and there goes Baz. Good one mate.
As you can see I know absolutely nothing about the cvt's (or indeed 2 smokes...still cant find a spot for the oil ring...) or Pilots/Draks etc..but...
What are you doing with your right thumb during each corner?
Great vids mate, give us more hell cam and get the other Northam guys to fit cameras as well. Be great to get a whole race from several perspectives editted into one clip....
Good workkk (for a sandgroper) ;)
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Man I love the Hell Cam stuff. Bugs told me that these have no engien braking but it still seems strange to hear it coast along like that before each corner.
Well driven by the way, nice and smooth. Obviuosly it works when against the bigger bangers. They have loads more acceleration off the mark but one wide corner and there goes Baz. Good one mate.
As you can see I know absolutely nothing about the cvt's (or indeed 2 smokes...still cant find a spot for the oil ring...) or Pilots/Draks etc..but...
What are you doing with your right thumb during each corner?
Great vids mate, give us more hell cam and get the other Northam guys to fit cameras as well. Be great to get a whole race from several perspectives editted into one clip....
Good workkk (for a sandgroper) ;)
That is his throttle... :)
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I think he is grabbing the brake. He wraps his hand around the wheel.
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Thanks Artie....I think? ;D
Sandgroper ay? :-* If'n it was'nt for us lot West Coasters workin' our BeerBellies off exporting all our minerals,gas etc worldwide-CHINA,fueling the global economy(and supporting you East Coaster Bludger Parasites ;D) How do you think you would be enjoying all the cheap poor quality Chinese imported crap,that's replaced our buy once quality products? Hmm. ;)
Artie if you mean my right thumb,it pushes down on the thumb throttle tab built into the steering yoke.Ve wee cle wer dose yapanese.
Some of the other guy's do have HellCams.
Heat 4,one group,down to 4 buggies! :o
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HellCam.
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Great vids mate, give us more hell cam and get the other Northam guys to fit cameras as well. Be great to get a whole race from several perspectives editted into one clip....
Artie Not Hel cam but oncar #22 out the back veiw of race 2 group one (I think it was )
As Number 75 (ZX14) was having a problem with bashing into everything on the day a little editing was added to stir the pot just a little
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfML5LZnUwc&layer_token=2660ec1ec7cc4671 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfML5LZnUwc&layer_token=2660ec1ec7cc4671)
You can see photos and some more of this camera angle
http://www.wasuperlites.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=331&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a (http://www.wasuperlites.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=331&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a)
Sorry Baz not trying to hijack your thread just thought in the interest of world peace and West Australian Domination, Thought we could give these addicts a little more of a taste for what we do
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Thanks Artie....I think? ;D
Sandgroper ay? :-* If'n it was'nt for us lot West Coasters workin' our BeerBellies off exporting all our minerals,gas etc worldwide-CHINA,fueling the global economy(and supporting you East Coaster Bludger Parasites/?
yadda yadda yadda...... 8)
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Sorry Baz not trying to hijack your thread just thought in the interest of world peace and West Australian Domination
Yadda yadda yadda... nice though..... 8)
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Jeeze Artie!.....2 lots of Yadda,yadda,yadda.Would that =Speechless? ;D
I would like to also run another HellCam rearwards,simultainiously-same time! ;D That would be awesome on a split screen...is it possible?
Where does one STOP at all this Buggy addiction buying stuff,takin' over ya life,marriage,sleep patterns,work etc........I'll look into it! ;D
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Where does one STOP at all this Buggy addiction buying stuff,takin' over ya life,marriage,sleep patterns,work etc........I'll look into it! ;D
Mate I hear ya! Laying in bed thinking... suspension mounts.... yeah.. and ... that up right...mmm..... zzzzzzzzzzz....... Its becoming really sad......
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Hahaha ya not alone I do it too, actually it's the only way I can get to sleep now. ::)
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Hahaha ya not alone I do it too, actually it's the only way I can get to sleep now. ::)
ahhh, try piss! That n a few of yer famous pills...woo hoo! zzzzzzzzz..........
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Yeah Mate I'd sleep well that night. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Ha ha! Just don't drink too much you blokes,otherwise ya missus might be expectin' some marathon bedroom Boogie! :o
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Ha ha! Just don't drink too much you blokes,otherwise ya missus might be expectin' some marathon bedroom Boogie! :o
Is that what happens at your place? You lucky bastxxd! ;D
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One developes a Good memory Artie! ::)
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One developes a Good memory Artie! ::)
oh yeah... im laughing at my computer now.... he he he. How about..."the older I get, the better I was!" ;D
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Well you asked for it Artie Fartie! ???(my bro-inlaw hates bein' called that!) ;D....Here we go.
EVERY time I drink BIG mobs with ma Mate, Al Cohol, ::) I can just GO n GO ALL night/morn! No kiddin' Mate! Ive heard of other Blokes havin' the dreaded Brewers Droop :'( But I seriously have the opposite prob,I can go n go for avg 4hrs....it's like liquid Viagra.I can GO,stop,GO,slow down,GO,stop ,turn around,try new position,full control,etc.
NOW all I have to do is intergrate all this into the Racing with a drip feed-tube off the helmet? ;D
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You're a bloody show off Baz!!! ::) ::)
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Ha Ha Reidy,just wait till my HellCam version comes out.I'''ll send ya the unedited version Mate.
Well it's been a while,not much to report on the Drak.
Motor is still doin' well after it's rebuild-touch ma head!,and have spent most time on becoming familiar with the TRA Clutch workings.Big thanks to Ozpilot Brendan who has taken on the Madona role of adopting a clutchless-clueless person. :o Thanks Mate!
I am,we are,he is,closer to desired results.ARE we there yet?....
Without the backup of a snow laden,sled shop on each corner country situ,we have had to adapt,adopt,address,undress :o drink our way around it.Made up some shims for the primary spring to raise engagement from 38-3900,to 4100.But I want more.I did try my hand at grinding a groove across the ramps to raise engagement,but it did no good,at least it did NO bad anyway.Hence the shims.
Also made up some TRA button holders from some 2mm ali.Working on 2 diff TRA's with only one set of button holders SUX!!!!...ONLY took me 2 hrs of hand cutting, filing etc,to get JUST the right gap,to within a Poofteenth of an inch,to grab the buttons like a coordinated pair of gently squeezn' butt cheeks! ::)
Also made a TRA clutch holding mandrel, from ex hydraulic ram, for the Eng mob to balance my TRA's.
Next Northam Races are this Sat,so should have some trackside and HellCam vids for ya's.........IF'n ya good! 8)
So in the interest of buggy forum content......
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Wow Baz....
You must have the patience of Jobe ;D
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Also made up some TRA button holders from some 2mm ali.Working on 2 diff TRA's with only one set of button holders SUX!!!!...ONLY took me 2 hrs of hand cutting, filing etc,to get JUST the right gap,to within a Poofteenth of an inch,to grab the buttons like a coordinated pair of gently squeezn' butt cheeks! ::)
You sure have a way with words, Baz! Have fun at the races.
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you wanting a kick ass setup, speak with Dynamo^Joe, he flew to the Uk from Canada last yr to tune a cpl guys draks for them... They had 583 engines in theres tho,
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Spec:Who/what the heck is Jobe? ??? ;D
Davo:You should see my way wid murds wuddled after a few Mate! ::)
Bug:I emailed Joe a while back and he was extremely helpful,but I really need to ring/call for advice/info as emails + time diffs are just too damn slow and hard too keep the Subject warm,plus then awaiting days for parts.Joe is very busy now and the last thing he wants after work is to get a call from some Downunder bloke speakin' in some sort of foreign,wierd accent! ::) ;D
Also fellow Drakie Johno in UK does have the same 600,but Joe installed the OEM stock 583 ramp/spring setup.
I want to try the #286 ramps next,and 230/350 spring?
Anyway here's an update pasted-
Here's the last vid of the weekends TRA testing at Bakers Hill.
Had a Mega time,thanks Troy n Bev.
Only downer was missin' out on New Norcia's Inaugrial Race Meet,( next time ay)and # 3 Son Bevo breaking his kneecap in 2, in MX bike prang.
He's in RPH awaiting surgery,1 today,now cancelled-no ef'n beds! and another during the week.
Back to the vid.
It's the best I could get outa er,considering what I had to trial with.
200/320 spring(with 5.6mm shims),#300 ramps and worked best with #1 clicker and empty adj pin.
Still 1600rpms short of the 8,000 rpm peak Whorespower Band.
Need a higher engaging spring,230/350lbs and Me thinks the #286 ramp?
I will eventually get there................No pain,no gain?
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;D
Jobe was a saint who never got pissed off or angry
Or so the church told me ;D
Great Vid man
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Saint??? :o
Well,A Saint,I Ain't Spec! ;D
You listened when you went to church? :-*
I ONLY went to Sundee Church to walk the 3 Rule sisters there.
Marie was my favourite,pretty as!
She had one leg shorter than the other tho,so I used to walk on her short side...we used to bump a lot! ::) True story.
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Had no choice ;D
Family was good christians...had the preist to the house for supper at least once a week ::)
I always had a field day with him... :P
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Had no choice ;D
Family was good christians...had the preist to the house for supper at least once a week ::)
I always had a field day with him... :P
Sounds like Father Beltrame.... free loadin clergy... I think this guy had about 20 families lines up each week... lunch dinner and various mid morning afternoon freebies.....
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;D
Artie...
Better get your skype hooked up...
PM's not working
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Here's my next update to my bugdrug Drak.
On the grappa n coke agin-=sat night here Downunder....-yeeharrr
Gots me some VD!... i mean VDO Xtreme tach... won it from Egay with 11 secs snipe! bet the bloke is real pissed, with wait for iyt......PLAYBACKS This way it wil help the gurus-like Eskimoe Jo and others can help tune easier...know what i mean?
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I do know what you mean, Bazz. It's time for me to get a tach hooked up, too. The playback is a great feature because some of us (me) rarely remember to look down at speed. My problem is the tach out of the snowmobile is HUGE and doesn't fit in my dash, so I'm eager to see how difficult your Gonorrhea :) brand is to hook up.
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I found that on the doo engine, with a non ski doo tach, it would not operate, as doo runs on Ac..
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Well I got this Poxy thing ::) goin' Dave n Bug! ;D
The green wire pickup from the VDoh! goes to the yellow from the coil pickup that's bolted to the inside of the Mag end.There are 3 wires there exiting.Yellow,Yellow/Black trace and black.It's the Yella one.
I first selected the #1 switch (says 2 cyl) from 4 available, inside the tacho settings area,but the needle shot higher up than a Druggies syringe! :o
I then changed to the #1,#2,#3 switch combo-says for 12 cyl,6 pole snowmobiles,ooutboards,and wella,wella,oomph! Matches my lil digital kart tacho.
Now just gotta find a nice spot for this tacho,so as to be easily seen,read from the HellCam vids.This way I provide the Clutch gurus with the most comprehensive way of relaying the "Race" feeling/feedback as poss.
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Spec:Who/what the heck is Jobe? ??? ;D
Ever seen the lawnmower man?
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It's actually pronounced as Jobe but is spelled Job. Biblical stuff.
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Ever seen the lawnmower man?
Yes,many moons ago...I too am a Lawnmowerman...WHAT does it all mean? ::) :o
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Fab'd up some rough brackets this arvo,just to get this poxy thing goin' for this Sun morn races at Brookton.The VDO did'nt come with any mounting brackets.Davo as you say,NOT much womb to mount/house this tacho,so I made a Z drop down bracket to mount it infront and lower than the fascia, for visibility,plus a U shaped one from the tach body to Z.
To protect it all from incoming rocks,mud,high velocity CRAP! I mounted it in,DON'T Laugh....high impact Mountain Dew bottle! Ever run over one of these? Fill em back up and they don't leak,tough as!
It's all temporary of course! ::)
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Made up a protective windscreen this arvo from Danpalon Roof sheeting offcuts.Just in time for tomorrows race at Brookton.This stuff is very high quality,high impact,easy to sand,linish,and ya can Bend it Like Beckham!
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Go Speed Racer!
Slick as mate ;)
Is it worth anchoring the ends to lessen the vibration?
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Ha ha!...I knew there was something missin' Mate!
Now where are my Double,symetrical, 4" wide white 70's Go fast Bonnet stripes? ::)
The ends are bolted,if ya referring to the mock up pics...wrong order,...storey of my life.
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COOL! Looking good! tTis danaplon,what material is it? Polycarbonate?
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Yes Master,and worked great yesterday at our Brookton Track Race event.
It even won me the Trophy! ::) ;D
Here's some pics,courtesy of one of our members Wayneho,he and bro BigKev do great pics!
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That's a COOL trophy!
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CONGRATS ;D
THAT'S AWESOME
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onya maaaaate!
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That's a COOL trophy!
Yeah I think so too M,best lookin' one ive got so far,it really captures the Buggy Race "Good Thing" and all that goes with it.
Thanks Spec. ;)
Onyaa Back at ya Mr T- Trojan Maaate! ;D
Here's some pics of the Ol' Speedracer,remember it Mr T?just for Ol' Times Sake!...Sonny ;D
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Here's a couple of the Practice lap vids,and 1 HellCam of the drier 1st Timed, 2 Lapper Slapper,BEFORE those rain/sky ice hail clouds dropped their load when Fineline Ray in BusaCuda was last out for his trial.What a Woosie! ;D Lotsa a rain to clear his googles,and keep the dust down for great visibility,and the Hail as traction aggregate in the mud! (he's a Concretor) ::) ;D You can see em coming in the HellCam vid.Later I'll post the rain/hail vid. We then reran another 2 lapper slapper in the wet,wet,wet...we all averaged about 10 secs slower! I was still cramped up and took about 12 secs extra. :'(
Big thanks to Ozpilot Brendan-My Buggy angel adviser,provider that sits on my Mullet draped shoulder! On ya Mate! ;D
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Thought I'd paste this here before I lose it.Typed it all out on the wasa forum,then it goes down on me :o...NOT that sorta down! ;D
My son Bevan managed to download/install the xls pdf thingie on his pc and did this for me:
It's in order and shows a good comparison of diff between our drier track times,and the wet,wet,wet trials.
Thought you guys might be interested in it?
Mine was about 12 secs slower,my cramps were gettin' worse.Felt like I had 2 chook claws on the wheel.Good exscuse hey? ;)
BigKev did the best,8.56 secs diff ONLY! Well done fella,good drive!
BROOKTON BIG DAY OUT RESULTS 19-7-07
Name Number Race 1 Race 2 Place
Baz 2 2.27.47 2.39.25 1 Diff 11.78 secs
Bernie 3 2.28.14 2.48.72 2 Diff 20.58
Kevin 7 2.32.53 2.41.09 3 Diff 8.56
Monty 88 2.33.07 DNF 4
Steve 24 2.36.33 2.48.28 5 Diff 11.95
Ray 22 2.43.11 2.44.03 6 Diff .92 Done in Rain/Hail
Marcus 3.17.53 3.46.85 7 Diff 29.32
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Not the ol' wankers cramp :o Specs got a touch of that ;D
props to Monty being the youngster of the pac?
That flag must have slowd the zx14 down, dont the scrutineers deem it to be a defect :P
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But I have "The Claw" cramp in BOTH hands! Is IT really THAT BIG? :-\ ;D
Remember the Ol' Hungry Jack's TV ad?
It takes 2 hands,to handle THE whopper"? ;D
Yeap,I thought Mont did well,as well,well.
Ian did'nt make it to the 2 lapper slappers,broke his rear link weld and took out the CV with it.PLUS,THAT flag is a POMMY one! :o More of a hinderance,WHAT? ;D Only kiddin' Mate! I had my Aussie one flyin',and at the packup hometime shouted to him "Hey Ian!" grabbed ma flag and shouted the soccer fans chant "Engaa.....looooooond!" ;D
Hey T,your the PC guru,why can't I get back on wasa forum,when all my other links work,plus Bevan gets on with his wireless PC? :-\
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they banned you ;D
hmmm curly one. do you mean it only happens when the wireless is connected?
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Ha ha! That's what I thought too. ;D
Nah,what I mean is,when mine won't get onto wasa,Bevo's does when I try it.I try his to see if it's just me.Bevo has been on his PC all day,playin' those stupid,mind robbing Fight Games! he fights about 20-30 at the same time! WOW!...If I tickle him,he giggles in girlie type fits, and any one of my Ol' Chooks could knock im down! ;D
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I reckon you will be happy with the VDO Baz, I had the proper Expensive Pro Eliminator version in my HQ until some low life decided they needed it more than me.
The mem recall is very handy and helped explain why I snapped an axle during a Sunday morning "cruise" in the local industrial area... Shifting from 2nd to 3rd at 6500 rpm was never a good idea with a 3:36 Banjo!
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OK gocha. which browser? try ctrl + F5 next time.
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G'Day Munga,ya !@#$#% stirrin' Bastard! ;D Where ya bin boy?
Yeah so far I like this Xtreme,you say you had the "PROPER?Expensive? Pro Eliminator"
version? Well this one ain't no chinaboy.They are not made anymore,but I found a Nu Zuland ::) wholesaler that has some Ol' stock for NZ$530! :o I bought mine from Egay for US$110...Bargain.Tis like new bro.
The Ol' industrial area brings back memories,where most young guys break their cars virginities...what? ;D
Thanks T,I'll try that tip when next it happens Mate.
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Need some help advice from all you Hudu Guru's on this PS unit from US.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130317322287&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130317322287&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:MOTORS:1123) We don't have these cars Downunder,so it's all foreign to me! ::)
I want to install one on my Drakart buggy,but not sure if it's suitable.I'm suffering bad with cramped up fingers,hands and forearms after a lap or 2! :'(
Ive asked the seller questions on splines sizes,OA dimensions etc to see if it's suitable or will even fit.
I have been looking at the Unisteer,Electra-Steer,but at a mere US$1,000 :o They make kits for all the UTV's and a Universal kit.
Thanks Baz.
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NO hudu guru's then? ::)
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I'm using the unisteer.Pricey.
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This should keep me n the Drak ,HellCam,cleaner from all the mud n crap off the front tyres.Hopefully.
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Libra Fleur? (now with wings) ;D
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That's what I thought!
Your Terrible Muriell! ;D
Might need some wing flaps and rudder,winged Keel (DON"T mention the winged keel!) If'n I get airborne down the straight! :o
Ive always dreamt of flying......but then woken in cold sweat when I crash land in the dirt! ;D
Bombardier... to Pilot... To Drak. ;D
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Mate we know the Drak is quick, but a winged keel?!? There isn't that much standing water at Northam is there?
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:o
;D
Are you sure your not going sidecar on us Baz?
Those are some wicked looking nerf bars
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Anyone got any Red Bull stickers? ;D
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Chitty Chitty Bang Bang!!!!!
LMAO
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Went to Brookton track on sunday(1 hrs drive S/E of Perth,had a blast with heaps of practice runs and finished with timed trials in clock/anti directions.We bought some new wizzbang timers but had probs with the setup in the 1st session and reverted back to good ol'stopwatch.But managed to get a timed 1;15 in 1st trials before my cramps got the better of me later on. :'(
Happy to say that the TRA clutch changes/spring/ramps and the Anti-crap guards/flaps/wings ;D worked well.
Just need to get the Electra-Power Steering bought and fab'd up ASAP!
Here's a vid of the 1st trial:Muddy/greasy conditions after lotsa all week rains.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdpBoKntbA&feature=channel_page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdpBoKntbA&feature=channel_page)
Here's a paste of our times:
As chief steward for the day, I decide that due to the teething problems we were having with the timing gear that only the last 2 races that were timed with the stopwatch would count towards the results.
1st # 23 Chris Thomas L1, 1.19.03 - L2, 1.19.03 Total 2.38.06
2nd # 75 Ian Smith L1, 1.20.33 - L2, 1.18.33 Total 2.38.66
3rd # 2 Baz Vostan L1, 1.20.01 - L2, 1.21.19 Total 2.41.20
4th # 3 Bernie Holt L1, 1.34.18 - L2, 1.26.03 Total 3.00.21
5th # 1Alan Lawson L1, 1.46.62 - L2, 1.52.28 Total 3.40.90
DNF # 24 Steve Brough
DNF # 22 Ray Voss
Chris drives a R1 homebuilt,past series trophy winner,and Ian drives the 1400 KwakaCuda.Both drivers did'nt drive last meet as both had Broke-Back rear ends ::) during practice,just prior to the timed trials.So it was good to get a comparison.
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After much time searching the web for best Unisteer EPS kits prices,I think I have finally found ma man! ;D
Last night-my time-I rang Todd Eldrige at http://www.hunterworks.com/home about a Unisteer EPS to best suit my Drakart.He's a top bloke to talk to,listens ;D,helpful,and also races his UTV with a Uni EPS...so he's one of us!I just need to send him some sizes,dimensions etc of R&P & Howe steer Quick splines so he can match up the best connectors.
He said his kits are US$850 posted in US,US$825+post to me Downunder.
That's by far the cheapest ive come across,and promised same day post service.
Anyone else bought,or used a Uni EPS yet?
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he's passing along the 3 or more discount. cool!
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What N the Hell is Baz up to now? ???..........Not much! ;D
In the interest of forum content,and self humiliation compared to the real fab'rs,this is what I did today,Sat arvo,very mild spring here,just nice to be outside with ma tools.Plus had to work up a thirst for the evening Barbie. ::)
Had some spare leftover Holy than thou S/S perforated sheet.So decided to give the Drak the sheets! 8)
Only thing I could think of sheetin' was the front bar,as I could see my bonnet(Hoodie) scars from the CrazyCudas,and R1 Roost.
Also I think that this sheet kite-angle will work in nicely with the Nerf-Wings uplift to balance out the aerodynamics of it all,and free up some rear load sapping Whorespower. ;D....Yeah,I know...I should write up,before I drink up! What? :D
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looking a bit industrial
the heavier it gets the slower it gets
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Baz, i would have to agree with tone, you should be trying to get rid of stuff rather than add it, the performance loss with weight is pretty much exponential, Goes the same for decreasing weight as well.
Also think about aerodynamics, Try driving along with a car with that in your hands and stick it out the window at 100km/h..
Not trying to be picky mate, just my opinion.
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It seems that a fender mounted to the hub would do as much to stop slop as those measures, Baz. I've been thinking of trying a set.
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So the planned built-in Barbie Grill,Bar and Mirrored ceiling Jacuzzi should be scrapped? ??? (https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh229%2Foddy59%2Fdamn.gif&hash=95747fec7f113fba951e6279488181d05ea450db)
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So the planned built-in Barbie Grill,Bar and Mirrored ceiling Jacuzzi should be scrapped? ??? (https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi65.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fh229%2Foddy59%2Fdamn.gif&hash=95747fec7f113fba951e6279488181d05ea450db)
remove a couple bolts and you could flip that front bumper down for the grill. Looks like you could store some beer in those wings. A shiny aluminum roof would cover the mirrored ceiling. As for the jacuzzi....closest thing I can come up with would be a mud puddle that's been sitting in the sun, and a bad case of gas.
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Looks good baz.
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Thanks Master.
Anyone installed the Electra-steer yet?
I have,finished the install this arvo,very happy with the mountings and solidarity of it all....BUT,can't get it to work!
I wired the Red & Black main wires direct to a spare new AGM Battery.Then the green(switch wire) to the pos terminal of Bat,plugged the torque sensor and motor plugs into the control module,all as per instructions...and nothin'!
I then bypassed everything,and jumped directly to the motor,and it turns.I then sus'd the torque sensor,marked an outline of it on the EPS unit,removed it,then the motor turned,quickly disconnected the Bat lead.
I had the Howe Steering Quicker unbolted from it's mount,so as to allow free rotation of the whole steering.
I then centralised the torque sensor roller plate while holding it in my hands,and re-connected the Bat wire and nothing again!
This was bought new,any clues-tips?
I have an upcoming race this Sat at Northam,and promised Davo C some race vids...now worried he's gonna think ive let him down... ;)
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Did you turn it while plugged in? Seems to me if it is a sensor it requires some form of input to actuate?
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Yes I turned it while all plugged in.Also when I had the torque sensor in my hand i was turning the spring loaded plate to simulate the steering wheel turning and still nothing.
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I have an upcoming race this Sat at Northam,and promised Davo C some race vids...now worried he's gonna think ive let him down... ;)
I'll bet you're sore from riding your Cox to much and don't feel like going! ;D
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IF only that were true Davo :'( Plus the missus has been in hospital with knee surgery,so..... ::)
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Here's the race vids I promised for ya Davo,better late than never Mate!
It was a mild day with intermittent cloud cover,and would'nt ya know it...during the last race it started sprinkling,then it opened up.So we had to cancell the last feature 8 lapper slapper race.We started with 8 buggies,ended up with 5.Had 4 x 2 group races.I ended up with 4 x 2nds.The ground there is clay,and just walking in the pits area turned our boots/soles into like those heavy deep-sea divin' weighted ones.It gave the sensation of being drunk whilst walking! :o Not that I would know ::) just an educated guess. ;D
Kelly could'nt capture the whole last race 4, group 2,as some dickhead ::) forgot to delete the last meets vids and she run outa card! Sheesh! I was chasing Smithy in his 1400KwakaCuda,got 2nd.
Also the same dickhead was responsible for not clearing his HellCam card.So missed out on the last one.
Northam Speedway 10-10-09 Race vids.
Race 1 Group 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlj3dP0XjZA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlj3dP0XjZA)
Race 1 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_v7xtjt6M (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_v7xtjt6M)
Race 2 Group 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QkFuLgBTI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_QkFuLgBTI)
Race 2 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixoRa2qwys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FixoRa2qwys)
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Race 3 group 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PglsdzvnlI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PglsdzvnlI)
Race 3 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BaeBm9PVXs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BaeBm9PVXs)
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Hey, Baz, thanks for the videos! My favorite of the first group was race 2 group 1.
The spins and last lap pass were the highlights. It seems you guys have enough for
2 classes now since you have 3 or more Cudas. You and the Pirannas and Mongooses
in the other. You and the Yellow buggy look like a good match. Keep havin fun, Dave
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No worries Dave,just returnin' the favour Mate! ;)
Yeah there was enough of the Cudas for their own class/group.
I was havin' off the line bog probs again.I think for next Sat meet,I'm gonna drop the needle one groove.At my Mate's place 15kms away,it goes like a shower of ::) off the line,but up at Northam it must be the Camel's back straw that makes it all too rich.At Brookton I had NO probs at all with the starts,and produced some really great lap times.
The yellow buggy is a ZX9 I think,Steve is quicker off the line,but then I'm hindered a bit on lap times staying behind him.
Here's race 4 Group 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l98__MxlcKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l98__MxlcKE)
Race 4 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssqYxYE4V_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssqYxYE4V_Q)
Last Feature,did'nt realise it WAS the feature-lol-run outa card space,came 2nd chasing 1400kwakaCuda;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKhNXfGe_no (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKhNXfGe_no)
Have some Hellcams to follow,only the first 3 races,then run outa card......forgot to delete stuff previously
I need to change the protective Poly carb lens cover.
Race 1 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/user/bu.....K-OzHQbcsk (http://www.youtube.com/user/bu.....K-OzHQbcsk)
Race 2 Group 2
http://www.youtube.com/user/bu.....1mlG2kSzkY (http://www.youtube.com/user/bu.....1mlG2kSzkY)
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Looks like the cudas really feel at home on courses like that.
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Race 3 Group 2 HellCam.
http://www.youtube.com/user/buggybaz#p/a (http://www.youtube.com/user/buggybaz#p/a)
Yibbada Yibbada.......Dats all folks! ;D
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Wow it's been awhile.........that long??? :o
Here's my copy from the other sites:
Just got back from a WASA Meet at New Norcia,170kms NE of Perth West Aus.
Had the Drak going great until had to retire while leading in first race due to NO efn spark!Might have something to do with the hard landings after overshootin' the tabletop?
Now have to try and work out why?
Also need another 01 600 mxz motor for spare/replacement,or maybe even a complete 600RS for TOTAL revamp on whorespower,what???
Track and weather were great,winter here now,was chilly willy in the morn leaving 0C,but sunny by the time we got there 10;30am.Got stuck behind 2 hooge overwidth monster mining truck trays being delivered up north.Damn things took up both lanes,lost ???time and patience.Nothin' worse for a racer, than tryin' to get there early and doin' walkin' pace in a 110km zone (65mph) Grrrrr!!!!!
Duaghter Kelly only did these 2 vids and I did'nt yet use the HellCam! @#$%^
The tabletop was TOO easy to clear and TOO short to have a back ramp to land on.I overshot it more than once and landed on the flat track bottoming out hard...OUCH.Now also have sore bottom!
Wish you blokes could ALL come Downunder and race with me here.
If I win Looto I will ship some of you down here!
These 2 are just praticing laps.
Get ya corfee ready Rich.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6mTP6ZZec (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE6mTP6ZZec)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOPliowhdg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOPliowhdg0)
Here's a couple of vids from 2 other members.
Monty's roof vid of our race, me infront,lasted about 3 laps (5 lapper),had a good lead then all my spark went awol!!!!
Was looking forward to 1st race,1st win,then out for the day.
Now looking for spare Skidoo 600 non ho motor,complete and low hours/use.Anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwuHuMPlYoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwuHuMPlYoQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VAzy-Xzf8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1VAzy-Xzf8)
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Here's some vids from last Sat, Northam Speedway,Downunder.
Heat 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UQrMSWIxPc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UQrMSWIxPc)
HellCam version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybz2nmLmCRg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybz2nmLmCRg)
Heat 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB5yuQRoV5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB5yuQRoV5c)
HellCam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWNaGDfDoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmWNaGDfDoQ)
Heat 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I62uhrusdiQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I62uhrusdiQ)
HellCam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTqD5MxydM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWTqD5MxydM)
Heat 4:10 LapperSlapper.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtYirKSPnTg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtYirKSPnTg)
HellCam:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7X4zZ94-vw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7X4zZ94-vw)
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WHEEEEEEE WA WA WHEEEEEEE
WOW BAZ That looked like some serious fun till the panning ;D
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Northam Speedway 18-12-10
Not much action this meet,but better than 0, I suppose to watch?
Next meet SHOULD have more nominations,thus more wheel to wheel racing.Jan '2011.
Race 1:
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Race 2:
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Race 3: LHS CV joint went AGAIN!!!
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Race 4:
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