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Title: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on January 16, 2021, 08:24:15 PM
We got a little too rowdy with the AR51 at my friends farm. Unfortunately we didn't get it on camera though. I bombed a huge jump and bent a tie rod and dislodged the radiator from its mounts. Here's a little video of us fixing it and building ramp on my place which we had to jump a few times!
 https://youtu.be/HqS76522fec
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on January 16, 2021, 09:50:02 PM
nice video. looks like your having a blast with the rail. the damage was minimal so no big deal. all fun toys have to evolve  ;) that part of the fun. nice jump btw
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on January 16, 2021, 11:59:44 PM
nice video. looks like your having a blast with the rail. the damage was minimal so no big deal. all fun toys have to evolve  ;) that part of the fun. nice jump btw
Thank you! Yes we are having a blast it. I'm enjoying the time with my son as much as the buggy. Most of the dirt for the ramp was already there, I just added to it a little when I have time. I will be adding two more mounts to the top of the radiator to prevent that from happening again. And I'm still working on the rear end contacting the ground. It just barley touched it on one jump. But I will get it right!
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on January 17, 2021, 04:51:11 AM
i cannot tell in the video but if those are fox 2.0air shocks then, if it were myself, i would add 10cc additional oil to the shock. with fox 2.0 air's you can add up to an additional 30cc's fox shock oil. do so in 10cc increments as this will help control bottoming out. it ramps the valving in sooner. just order a gal of the red oil as you should really change the oil every 2 years or so. i have the oil capacity chart as i have re-valved a lot of fox shocks. if you wind up adding the full 30cc and it still taps the ground then it time to re-valve. fox 2.0 shocks are the easiest shock you will ever re-build or re-valve. once you do one, you'll know it takes longer to pull and re-install the shock , vs re-valving them! like i said fun toys have to evolve and it looks like a very run rail!
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on January 17, 2021, 07:49:07 AM
They are fox 2.0! Thank you for the tip I will be ordering the oil today!
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on January 17, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
do you have a nitrogen fill kit for the socks as well? if you not then you'll need a fill kit and a bottle of nitrogen to re charge them.  once you add oil you will need to go cycle them in the field then recharge. this may only take one quick romp or 2 to get them to stay at the set pressure. it funny how the added oil can consume a tiny bit of pressure. normally they ship with 200 psi. you can run up to 500 psi in each shock. i don't recommend going that high but it is allowable. i seriously doubt you need to as light as that rail is especially if you haven't increased pressure over stock now.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on January 18, 2021, 05:55:34 PM
do you have a nitrogen fill kit for the socks as well? if you not then you'll need a fill kit and a bottle of nitrogen to re charge them.  once you add oil you will need to go cycle them in the field then recharge. this may only take one quick romp or 2 to get them to stay at the set pressure. it funny how the added oil can consume a tiny bit of pressure. normally they ship with 200 psi. you can run up to 500 psi in each shock. i don't recommend going that high but it is allowable. i seriously doubt you need to as light as that rail is especially if you haven't increased pressure over stock now.
Yes I have a nitrogen kit, I had them up to 450 psi but they felt way too stiff so I backed them down to 375 in this video. Ill add the oil and see how they feel and go from there.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: fabr on January 18, 2021, 07:26:51 PM
The additional oil will increase the "spring" rate . DS knows the airs well.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on January 19, 2021, 07:28:33 AM
The additional oil will increase the "spring" rate . DS knows the airs well.
Awesome!  Because I don’t jack about them.  But I’m learning.  The oil is supposed to be here Wednesday, I’ll add some and take out jump it.  I’ll set the GoPro up so I can watch it as it lands and see if it touches the ground.  I can add more bump stop but I’m sacrificing travel.  But I’d rather sacrifice a little travel than hit the ground.   
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on March 16, 2021, 09:01:20 PM
i cannot tell in the video but if those are fox 2.0air shocks then, if it were myself, i would add 10cc additional oil to the shock. with fox 2.0 air's you can add up to an additional 30cc's fox shock oil. do so in 10cc increments as this will help control bottoming out. it ramps the valving in sooner. just order a gal of the red oil as you should really change the oil every 2 years or so. i have the oil capacity chart as i have re-valved a lot of fox shocks. if you wind up adding the full 30cc and it still taps the ground then it time to re-valve. fox 2.0 shocks are the easiest shock you will ever re-build or re-valve. once you do one, you'll know it takes longer to pull and re-install the shock , vs re-valving them! like i said fun toys have to evolve and it looks like a very run rail!

I'm finally getting around to adding the oil to the rear shocks this week. I ordered the red oil, just to be clear I can add the red oil to the existing oil?
Also I was going through the setup instructions Rick put in the AR51 plans and found where he recommended adding 70 CCs of oil to the rear shocks for 28" tires or under.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 17, 2021, 08:26:27 AM
no you cannot mix colors. no you cannot add 70cc's to factory oil level on fox 2.0 shocks or 2.5 airs either. you can add up to 30cc's on your shocks. that must bhe a misprint as 70 cc's would cause that shock to hydro lock 3/4 of the stroke. ask enemy what that feels like  ;D    so add in 10 cc increments up to 30cc's. i have the factory oil levels if you want to change the oil need to know what stroke shock you have and i'll post the info.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: Garagebuilt on March 17, 2021, 08:47:27 AM
Man I’m glad I asked first!  Thank you for the info! 
The rear shocks are 14” stroke. 
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 17, 2021, 03:44:22 PM
i'll find the info and post it pertaining to stock oil level.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 11:54:16 AM
so the info is out in my toyhauler. i found this fox pdf online that i can post now. https://www.ridefox.com/fox_tech_center/owners_manuals/EMULSION_REBUILD.PDF
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 11:55:02 AM
if i remember correctly.... ml is equal to cc's when you looking for a syringe.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: fabr on March 18, 2021, 12:03:07 PM
^^ correct.
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 02:04:47 PM
try this
Title: Re: Minor carnage
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 02:06:07 PM
^^ correct.

i thought so but couldn't remember off the top of my head.  i bought several way back and then never looked back  ;D