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Title: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Jerry on August 15, 2009, 05:03:05 PM
It  has been awhile since i have done any work on the buggy a little here and there. It has been so hot.

I just took the buggy for a ride around the block, and found out that i have no brakes probably never did (because ths is only the second time it has been driven). If i spin the wheels off the ground and hit the brake pedal the wheels stop quick. I see no leaks in any of the lines or calibers, the master is full. the pedal assembly is Doug's. I have two rear polaris calibers and two, two  piston dynalite front calibers. So a total of six pistons. The master is 3/4 diameter.

My guess is that my master is way  to small (my guess i need a two resevroir).  When i hit the pedal to slow down i can not tell that i hit the pedal (meaning i do not slow down).

What would you suggest i do for a larger master, I would like to go with a master from a car just easier to get my hands on.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: fabr on August 15, 2009, 05:16:52 PM
First we need to determine the size master needed. What diameter are the pistons in the calipers? From there we can begin to let you know what size/diameter master you need. You can quite likely find a cheap master for a car if you have a good parts guy that will let you look through the catalogs picture guide if they have them so you can see the congfiguration of the master.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Jerry on August 15, 2009, 05:58:00 PM
The 4 frt pistons should be 1.38 dia the two rear pistons should be 1 inch.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Doug Heim on August 15, 2009, 10:08:07 PM
Its my pedal set up but are you using the same master Cyl. I recall an order going out where the customer was going to source their own master, Was that you?
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Engineer on August 15, 2009, 10:18:27 PM
Is the pedal going to the floor?  Or is it firm?  If there is air in the system, it would easily stop a spinning tire, but not have much affect stopping the vehicle.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Jerry on August 15, 2009, 11:34:51 PM
The pedal is firm.

Doug I got the master myself, I do not remember the make but i can get it if you need it
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Punkur67 on August 16, 2009, 10:00:34 AM
Check to see if you have a warped rotor. I got a brand new pair of cnc disk brakes and had a warped rotor. As you travel the rotor pushes thepiston in and when you go to hit the brakes you need to pump them to get the pad in contact with the rotor again. Also check for air
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Jerry on August 16, 2009, 10:39:30 AM
I now the frt's are not warped, i will check the backs. Believe me pumping did NO good.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Doug Heim on August 16, 2009, 03:01:01 PM
R U sure there is no air in the lines?
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: chrishallett83 on August 16, 2009, 04:23:11 PM
Is the pedal hard, or spongy?

If it's hard, you've more than likely got a blockage or kinked/crushed hose from the master.

If it's spongy, you've probably got some air in the system, or the master is kaput. Could be the piston seal is perished.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Jerry on August 16, 2009, 05:51:56 PM
I am out of time for this weekend (dam). I will re bleed the brake: i do not think that is the problem though. I do have resistance on the pedal, just not that much. Maybe i will get a real ride in someday :-\
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: fabr on August 16, 2009, 07:02:14 PM
AIR
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Az Transaxle on August 17, 2009, 09:08:58 PM
Jerry, It has been my experience with brakes that air will cause a spongy pedal that gets better if you pump it. If the pedal is firm and you don't have a blockage in the line a smaller master will create more clamping power although it will need more pedal travel.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: Doug Heim on August 17, 2009, 09:20:19 PM
in more than one occation I was certain I had no air in the system but it always bit me in the @ss. My money is on the air. Take the time and get a friend to help you, It also helps to have a bleeder at the master.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: chrishallett83 on August 18, 2009, 01:35:54 AM
Pressure bleed it, i.e. pump the brake fluid up to the master from the caliper. Works heaps better in my experience.
Title: Re: Brakes / need a recommendation
Post by: fabr on August 18, 2009, 06:38:09 AM
A question that I feel has not been answered is the pedal feel. Is it firm ,rock hard or spongy? If firm is it firm due to running out of travel? If firm and you are not running out of travel there is no air in system. If  you are running out of travel you have too small a master.
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