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The Machine Shop => Tools/Tips and Tricks => Topic started by: Nutz4sand on January 18, 2014, 03:10:35 PM
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I need help! (like most of you already did not know THAT... ;D )
Anyways trying to get back going on some old projects that got sidelined and stored away when life caught me in a side blitz.
I know what I am seeking exists as I have held it in my hands before.
I am looking for a DEEEEEEEEEEP 9/16 socket (3/8 drive but could go to 1/2 inch drive if I had too)
What I am seeking is a 3/8 drive 9/16 SIX point socket that has the inner flutes or flats that spin the nut or bolt all the way down the bodys inside. NOT just at the point for 1/2 inch or so.
A standard craftsman 9/16 deepwell will allow me to slide a BOLT HEAD 1.5 inches up inside it. I need more like four to five inches.
I can get the sockets in a cheap bulk buy and could cut them on a lathe so I just had the bodies with the drive flutes in them and then align them and tig weld them together but I am holding that off for a last resort. Since I know this is made somewhere...
So what I NEED is a deepwell socket that a reallly long bolt could easily slide its head into at least four to five inches.
Anyone got any ideas where to find this?
Most of the deeeeeep impact sockets I have found only have a tiny area at the openening where the bolt head can only slide in a tiny bit. They are round the rest ofthe way.
Any and all help will be greatly appreciated!
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SO ,you need a socket 4-5 inches deep full depth "spline".Hmmmm,will look around some.
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Yes I believe that is what I seek.
I will add that I DO NOT need it to be an impact socket. I only mentioned that because I see them all the time that are way long but they are usually only "splined" at the very end.
Regular style chrome would be perfect. Black impact steel would also be fine as frogs hair.
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Ever consider making one from 2 sockets? TIGged looks very nice and is plenty strong. I have made offset end wrenckes that way for my 1/2" head bolts on these cv heads.
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http://hrmfg.net/products/extra-deep-sockets/ (http://hrmfg.net/products/extra-deep-sockets/)
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http://www.toolbarn.com/grey-pneumatic-2018xd.html (http://www.toolbarn.com/grey-pneumatic-2018xd.html)
12.00
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http://www.toolbarn.com/grey-pneumatic-2018xd.html (http://www.toolbarn.com/grey-pneumatic-2018xd.html)
12.00
Hex Depth: .95"
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He wants the hex to be full depth,I think. .95 is not full depth.
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Yes I have considered tigging multiple sockets together (I put that in my first post even. he he heh ) But I would only get three inches from two common deepwell so would need three socket each to make my one I need. Its not out of the question yet but I am trying to avoid doing this as the bolt inside will need to travel back and forth inside it (The socket will be stationary lengthwise but spin) and if they are not perfect it could hang up.
As pointed out the other sockets mentioned are only splined on the end a short distance and worthless to me. I just sent back four Sunex 884505 as after a lot of searching and calls to technical support who ASSURED me the splines were five inches it turns out they were less than one inch. (Thanks to that asshole I had to eat shipping both ways and a restocking fee to return thier junk.)
These were what I sent back. I did not get them at Amazon however. http://www.amazon.com/Sunex-884505-8-Inch-16-Inch-Socket/dp/B0074HNK9A
Right now Deaner (he posts on this site too I am pretty sure) has directed me to this as I aksed the same question on MBN.
http://www.sdp-si.com/web/html/shaftacc.htm (http://www.sdp-si.com/web/html/shaftacc.htm) Its the second one down in the middle called the Hex hole sleeve. I cannot link to it alone. (EDIT: You NEED to click on the little camera to see it)
The hex shaft coupling (sleeve) MIGHT work. I do question if if would be hard enough. I am not going to be transferring a lot of power with these so it might or I could have it hardened after welding on a 3/8 socket drive end.
I hate to do it that way but if I cannot find the sockets I actually seek I might. As I said I have held them in my hand so I know SOMEBODY made them at one time anyways.....
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Upon farther digging to see if I could post a pic here it seems that the hex shaft coupling is discontinued so that ship seems to have sunk..... :'(
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https://sdp-si.com/eStore/Catalog/Group/148
But after more lookin... It seems they may have them but the numbers do not add up. The diameters seems wrong as in not possible? Not that he diameter would affect me much. Its just wrong size diameters to me maybe? When I open my calipers to the diameters they suggest it seems impossible... I am tired at this moment so...
It would be either A 7C20 05 OR A7C20 06
A common craftsman 9/16 socket measures 0.350 across its flats so either of those above might work depending on tolerances as the 05 is .315 acoss its flats and the 06 is 0.378 across its flats. I want a nice fit but not to tight so the larger would likely get the nod here.
They are not very long either and at the cost they have would not be worth worrying about VS just tigging common sockets I guess....
If you click on the part numbers it shows cost and yah I would buy sockets and tig them before I would buy the sleeves at those prices.
So I am STILL looking for my sockets!
I have a small reason to think that Snap On might have them but no luck online so far and the snap on dealer is not local to me.... I could just be wishfull thinking....
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Contact a broaching service in your area. They can likely make you a sleeve of any length. Still need to weld a square drive on the end though.
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Broaching will not go that deep. Will need to EDM.
I would go the welded socket route. Put a small chamfer on the insides so that they won't hang up. Get a piece of aluminum hex stock for a guide. If you heat the whole thing up before welding, the aluminum should expand enough to keep everything lined up pretty well.
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http://www.sears.com/craftsman-19pc-universal-max-axess-socket-and-ratchet/p-00931088000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 (http://www.sears.com/craftsman-19pc-universal-max-axess-socket-and-ratchet/p-00931088000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1)
Would this work?
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http://www.sears.com/craftsman-19pc-universal-max-axess-socket-and-ratchet/p-00931088000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1 (http://www.sears.com/craftsman-19pc-universal-max-axess-socket-and-ratchet/p-00931088000P?prdNo=1&blockNo=1&blockType=G1)
Would this work?
Afraid not as those are simply designed to travel a nut down a long bolt or thread.
In these the socket moves with the nut along the threads.
I need a LONNNNNG socket so that that socket spins but does not move oherwise and a BOLT head can travel inside the socket on the flat areas that spin the bolt.
Looking to go to tractor supply place and see if I can make something of a slip joint in the extension area with tractor PTO square drive shaft parts.
There are adjustable 3/8th extensions but they are to long and I dunno if I cut them down if here would be enough there to work. Heck not even sure I could cut them down and they would still work. Instead of the socket letting the bolt slide in it the extension would just change length.
http://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/hand-tools/ratchets-sockets/3-8-adjustable-socket-extension/p-1740383-c-9159.htm (http://www.menards.com/main/tools-hardware/hand-tools/ratchets-sockets/3-8-adjustable-socket-extension/p-1740383-c-9159.htm)
That said a fellow at work claims he has a catalog that shows what I seek (mega long socket) but he keeps forgetting it and I am not sure he understands what I seek but he sorta seems too.
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If it's not getting too nosy,wth are you building?
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This is for my bender stand. It got put into storage a few years back and I moved from that area and last summer late I was finally able to get it out to start on it again.
This is for the leveling feet. (Yes I know they are not needed. A plane of bend angle reader will take care of that and I do have one)
But I am gonna get these to work. With these I can stand over the die and level it from one spot. Control all four feet from one little area. It can and will be used outside so I need the larger travel to level the feet when its not flat.
Now that I am back to work full time and getting a better job soon if my plans fall right I will update that seriously old thread!
Hell I think the last post on it was in 2009. Between being sick (burst appendix) and playing in my friends toys I have sidelined a lot of my projects. But feeling better these days and hes being a jerk cause I have stopped doing things his way (the wrong way usually) as he does dunes and dune time different than I care too.
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Good to hear Nutz!
You bending tube on side of a Mtn, since you need that much adjustment I'm guessing so. What about a say 12" bolt thru a nut welded to stand with a castor attached to bolt end. Head of bolt up, easy to adjust, wheel easy to move.
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Good to hear Nutz!
You bending tube on side of a Mtn, since you need that much adjustment I'm guessing so. What about a say 12" bolt thru a nut welded to stand with a castor attached to bolt end. Head of bolt up, easy to adjust, wheel easy to move.
lol wait till you see the pics. I got it a little more built than that. No way would I just weld a nut on! It's WAAAYYY cooler what I did (At least I think it is and thats what matters right? :D )
Also no castors on the leveling part thats pivot feet(s). But it DOES have two sets of wheels and one of those is castors for concrete to push it into a corner if need be. The other tires are a "lil" larger and driven by electric wheelchair motors via chain reductions...... eyes Yah I know........ ;)
I may have hit on an idea to make the gearbox just ride on a swingarm and move up and down with the bolt. The more I draw it up the better it seems. Still looking for a bad reason to do it this way with a swing arm and moving gearbox VS a stationary gearbox and some kinda slide/extension/yada/yada.
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:wwp: ;D ;D
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:wwp: ;D ;D
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echo??
;D ;D
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Prolley no pics in this thread but will redo the build thread when I can and I have a good few pics AND WILL TAKE A GOOD FEW MORE.
As mentioned I am trying to land a bettter job at this moment and it pays almost 2.5 times what I am getting here (We have a saying in Northern Michigan, "View of the bay,,,,,Half the pay!" and boy does that ring true!
I also lost my decent sized garage when I left downstate and here I am trying to work in a tiny one car stall garage that my uncle has half full of literal junk he owns and he will not go out there for weeks to months but if I go out and organize it as soon as I leave for work he goes and moves shit just to piss me off.
But with any luck he will be going to jail or maybe prison soon and I can then throw hs crap out.
But I hope to move first!
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LOL!!! Well,I hope things are really turning around for you now. Sounds like they are. We all go thru that type of crap one time or another. Things woill always get better if you don't let it get you down.
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While tinkering today I was thinking about this more and the drill press arbor parts would maybe work if I could find the splined shaft and the part it turns that hooks to the chuck and lets the chuck go up and down while the top pulley stays in one place. For a fair price that is.
KnowhutImean?
Still need to hit TSC (Tractor supply store) and see if the PTO splined stuff can be utilized.
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Gotta be honest . I'm a bit foggy on what you are doing exactly.
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Gotta be honest . I'm a bit foggy on what you are doing exactly.
Hey me too!!
Pics soon I hope. I have a lot of new pics but need to get some of this particular issue I am working on.
That said I have seen realllllly deep fluted spark plug sockets that are made out of thick sheet metal.
Like this and even longer
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Spark-Plug-Socket-Wrench-11-16-9-16-Double-Ended-17mm-14mm-/251402734638?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3a88c54c2e&vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-Spark-Plug-Socket-Wrench-11-16-9-16-Double-Ended-17mm-14mm-/251402734638?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item3a88c54c2e&vxp=mtr)
I could make something like that work I bet if the 14mm part was long enough. I will inquire.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-BMW-Kawasaki-Import-Sparkplug-Wrench-Socket-pair-/331116808194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d18198802 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Motorcycle-BMW-Kawasaki-Import-Sparkplug-Wrench-Socket-pair-/331116808194?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d18198802)
Only one of thee but it might be able to work if I had more.
The long part of it would slide (but how well under load? Its not a huge load the way its gonna be setup) But I need the slip joint to slide some under a small load to the bolt head.
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i bought from sears dot com last time. shipping took longer than i expected, but overall good experience with them.