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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2009, 03:52:40 PM »
Based in china in reality.
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #46 on: February 10, 2009, 03:54:41 PM »
If you say so.....
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #47 on: February 10, 2009, 03:59:14 PM »
MMM
How about not so new  ;D
I get around 20 mpg with this beauty...Even when I rail on it... I'm hoping for it to be the last whole truck I buy
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #48 on: February 10, 2009, 05:24:13 PM »
Nice!  I got 10 years of service out of my last one, maybe I'll get 20 out of this one. 
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #49 on: February 10, 2009, 05:31:58 PM »
I've owned about 15 of these old fooker's...Drove em'all like I hated them
This one only had 95,000 miles on it when I bought it...And I definately drive this on like I hate it...
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #50 on: February 10, 2009, 07:47:22 PM »
Quote from: trojan on February 10, 2009, 12:08:17 PM

I counter with the previously mentioned Buick V6 ::) ::) ::)
How many cars with "push rod" engines sell as new today?
Why is that even a relevant question?


Why is "push rod" such a bad thing?  As a function of size thy are remarkably compact and make oddles of power given their weight / dimensions. 

That something is old does NOT make it obsolete - look at mastr?
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #51 on: February 10, 2009, 07:53:27 PM »
That something is old does NOT make it obsolete - look at mastr? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ancient maybe but obsolete? Naaaaaa. This overhead cam snobbery is just nonsense.
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2009, 09:34:29 AM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on February 09, 2009, 12:43:42 PM
No one is arguing what you say.The point is that WE have to change the IDEA that it is OK to support other countries instead of ourselves first.
On this topic...
News on the TV today is that for the first time, China has outdone the US for the first time in auto sales.

I, personally, buy American when I can. However, I am not going to buy a POS just because it says Ford/Chev/Dodge on it. Read Consumer Reports--over half of the "cars to avoid" due to poor reliability are "American" vehicles. Dodge has great looking styling, but they are almost always the most common name on the list! I believe the big three are "once great" companies, and if they don't catch up to Japan soon, they'll be memories. They are on the fast track to extinction, and the folks who worked there during their decline are pissing and moaning about their retirement (which is far larger than the average US income) being threatened. Pretty sick. Drive a company into the ground and then get billions from the hardworking taxpayers. There is a reason Europeans move to the USA, but not the other way around--and it's because we are LESS socialistic than Europe. It shouldn't be a goal to reach!!!
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2009, 10:58:25 AM »
Only thing that drove the Big 3 into the ground was the fricken fickle US consumers.  Let the price of gas go up and overnite they want gas guzzlers but let the price drop and they want the big cars again overnite.It can't be done that fast.The smaller car makers were just lucky that the price didn't drop to rediculouusly LOW prices anfd they'd be in the same predicament. Who the hell was making any big vehicles but the Big 3???????? Sure as hell wasn't anyone else. They were serving the market to its' mfullest need and were doing well. Now if you want to talk about the overinflated pension packages that the labor unions accomplished in getting in place and the absolute stupidity of the company management being too pussy to say NO to their demands fine but to say that US cars are junk is just plain BS.   
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #54 on: February 11, 2009, 11:40:25 AM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on February 11, 2009, 10:58:25 AM
...to say that US cars are junk is just plain BS.
Not ALL US cars are junk, but on average, they are nowhere NEAR as reliable as a Toyota or Honda. Those two mfr's are the TOP 5 in reliability (Scion, Acura, Honda, Toyota, and Lexus--in that order). The FIRST American company is Lincoln, at 11th... BELOW KIA!!!! The first GM is Buik, at 18th! (Still below 3 Ford companies.) Dodge is 30th, out of 34 companies in reliability. To me, that's JUNK. We should be LEADERS, not free-loaders, in the automotive industry.
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« Reply #55 on: February 11, 2009, 12:09:58 PM »
Yumster, that's the ONLY thing going for a push rod engine..... But considering the amount of space available under the hood of EVERY push rod production installation makes a mockery of your premise....?

Fab, I LOVE old school iron.... there's nothing NEW about OHC - they were in production cars EVEN before you were born... I know there's some contention you were born before horses were invented.... Don't tell me I have to explain the difference between mechanical efficiency and human passion to you.... Do I? Or are you going to be the poster boy for "age does not necessarily imply wisdom"?


Tenja ;)

Juts to qualify (I have no idea what a Scion is) an Acura actually IS a Honda and a Lexus actually IS a Toyota.... which makes the point you were making all that more (4/5) stronger ;)
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #56 on: February 11, 2009, 12:23:16 PM »
In my personal experience.  Dodge is junk, period, cars and trucks.  ;)  GM I have had pretty good luck with, and I don't have much experience with Ford.  The only import I ever owned, Toy truck was OK.  ;D

Does that help?
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #57 on: February 11, 2009, 12:30:18 PM »
I'm gonna jump in here
And SWIM WITH THE SHARKS ABIT
I'm a old school iron fan I'll Drive 68 to 72 chevy trucks as long as I can find or fabricate parts for them...Gimme an HEI and a ''tunable carb'' and I'm A happy camper...I have been racing OHC motors since my teen years...Iron duke 151 chevys...2.3 L. ford pinto motors...I even have a TRACK CHAMPIONSHIP with 1.6 liter chevette motor, Racing against 2.3 powered mustangs...Push rod or overhead cam what in the hell is the real difference??? as long as the valves open and shut when they are supposed to realiably who really gives a shit where the fookin cam is...
I/we have a couple of GEO's You guys have seen what I do to my poor little tracker...AWESOME LITTLE TRUCK...Barb drives a METRO RAGTOP 85 mph for 130 miles a day for the last 180,000 miles of it's life on that 3 banger...ya we rebuilt the head once, and put a timing belt in it...But is realible...My old chevy trucks have never let me down so to speak...unless just plain drove into the ground...The big 3 are in trouble for acouple of reasons...1 is the unions...1 is greed...another that alot don't stop to think about is the EPA/OSHA...
just my 2 cents worth
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Re: new truck sucks
« Reply #58 on: February 11, 2009, 12:38:10 PM »
Romantically... in my opinion, Dodge ruleZ!!!!!!
Intellectually (ie: from an engineering perspective) they don't even rate.......
eg: the bestest 3 Fords (opinion!) are NOT actually Fords at all..... RS200, Cobra, GT40.
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« Reply #59 on: February 11, 2009, 01:16:55 PM »
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