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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2009, 08:18:42 PM »
Quote from: Artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:34:31 PM
groan.... yummi you sad sad bugger... I actually WAS fishing for Trojan.... havent had a bite yet.....
He'll come around if you talk real nice to him, usually...............
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2009, 10:35:39 AM »
Quote from: Artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:26:31 PM
Anybody and I mean anybody...what do we want done next? I have a suspension posting half done. Brakes and steering system after that.. but then what? Input input input required....

Anybody really good at simplifying electrical? Wanna put yer hand up?

Ok, since you understand the theory of an air shock now, How about a little artie tech article on how they work... For those more challenged about how they work...
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« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2009, 08:44:42 PM »
Quote from: Yummi on July 02, 2009, 06:27:29 PM
Trojan is - shockingly so. 

If its "not on"... its "off"

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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2009, 08:51:59 PM »
The next 'installment'.... Suspension systems ....

Suspension Styles

Suspension systems as used in off road buggys can have several differing styles. But basically they are categorised in 2 areas. Independent and Non-idependent. Examples are pictured below. Put simply an idependent suspension can have an action placed on one wheel which will not having any RE-action transferred to another wheel. With a non idependent suspension an action occurring on one wheel ALSO has a an action on the linked wheel.

As a general rule, MOST buggys have independent suspension at all corners, while Truggies usually have a Live Beam rear axle which is an example of non -independent suspension and independent front suspension.

Examples........

Independant




Non Independent



Now both these sytems have a set of sub systems or categories and these include...(please note I have only mentioned those which are commonly used in our sport. There are a few others for road use)...


Independant

       Double A arm like the front and rear of some buggys



       Trailing arm and semi trailing arms like the rear of some buggys



       Front beams like earlier buggys commonly used



Non-Idendepenent (which can be)

       Dead Beam Axle
Is a simple bar across the width of the car that the wheels mount to and does NOT transmit power. Some front wheel drive cars use this at the rear end. Eg: Like a trailer axle
   


       Live Beam Axle
This is a typical drive axle (which includes the differential in the housing making it 'drive' the car) like in the rear of any rear wheel drive, non independent car. This is the style used in Truggies (mainly)
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2009, 08:53:56 PM »
Thanks to Lance...lifted the pic of his rear end from his thread... always use a bibliography..oops... missed a few......
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2009, 08:14:37 AM »
Artie,I want to thank you for your efforts in this thread.It is very good useful info. If you don't care could we split the the front suspension stuff from the rear suspension stuff and make them both a sticky ?
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« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2009, 08:16:17 AM »
Might not need to be split now that I reread it ,what do you think? You know where you are heading with this. We'll sticky the info either way.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2009, 06:13:54 PM »
I think it should stay to gether. As far as the seperate titles go, perhaps one thread for the angles, one for suspension styles and then say brakes.

Brakes is next then thinking shock absorbers (basic) coilovers/airshocks (and why they are different from emulsion shocks etc AND why they arent actually airshocks).

Followed by the various steering units we commonly use and I was thinking that a really articulate Kansan might do a small write up on Electric servo assisted steering....  ::)

There have been several good articles on the web which detail how to service the Fox airs. Be nice if we had our own plus also perhaps Kings units as well. Looking into that...... what do the others think? Any suggestions?

From my viewpoint I can only really give you susp steer n brakes with any hope of accuracy. I know all the theory on the other stuff but have no real practical application so loooking for volunteers. Keep in mind that this is being written for guys and gals new to the sport so I think a section on basic electrical would be good plus one on simple constructiuon techniques for our chassis styles would also be beneficial....

I want THIS site to be the preferred reference (and activity) site and therefore stand apart from ALL others.....

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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 07:52:08 AM »
Don't forget the swingarm cars ;D
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2010, 08:22:30 PM »
too bad all the pics are GONZO........ drowning
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2010, 11:24:36 PM »
Fricken photo bucket.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2010, 12:11:49 AM »
Yeah what's the go there? Surely if the pictures are yours you can do what you damn well please with them. bs1 They were yours right Artie?? :o ;D
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2010, 02:50:31 AM »
Freakin hell. How do I fix this to make the pics permanent? Too right Fabr...fricken photobucket!

Never fear I will fix...... somehow......
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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2010, 07:41:22 AM »
You do man ,Artie!
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2010, 09:14:54 AM »
 ;D
I think you can down load to your puter and then up load to the site as your own pix
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