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Toe in change
« on: April 01, 2009, 08:24:32 PM »
How much toe in change are you guys seeing just from the SLOP in these POS gear one /ragechina  whoevers POS R&P are you guys seeing? Have you checked? If it were that sloppy on a street car you couldn't driuve a straight line! Hell I was setting R&P position tonight and measure that I have 5/8 inch toe change from the slop alone. I used bungees to keep the wheels at max toe out just so I could accurately check bumpsteer.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2009, 09:00:03 PM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on April 01, 2009, 08:24:32 PM
How much toe in change are you guys seeing just from the SLOP in these POS gear one /ragechina  whoevers POS R&P are you guys seeing? Have you checked? If it were that sloppy on a street car you couldn't driuve a straight line! Hell I was setting R&P position tonight and measure that I have 5/8 inch toe change from the slop alone. I used bungees to keep the wheels at max toe out just so I could accurately check bumpsteer.

Call Yoshi and get a real R&P.  Mine has no discernable slop, of course I don't have a wheel attached to yank on yet.  ;D

Then again I just remember that you had it apart.......  Do you see any stray parts laying around.  ;D ;D ;D

Exactly what did you clearance when you had it apart?  ;D











J/K    I couldn't stop myself.  ;D

Sounds like that sucks.  Is the rack part moving up and down, or side to side?  So is it slop in the guideway, or gear backlash?
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2009, 09:11:30 PM »
There is too much clearance between top of rack and the cover. also between sides of rack and body.  The rack just flops around.  No way to close up the tolerances without mods.I'm not surprised at the slop as I've used these things before but I thought MAYBE a GEAR-ONE unit MIGHT be better. NOT!  On the other hand when a person realizes these things are not sealed any dirt/sand/ROCKS that get in them might bind the POS up if not so sloppy. I guess a bit of mill time can fix the POS tho. BTW I thought this unit felt pretty tight until as you said,I hooked up the wheels to it.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2009, 07:14:49 AM »
That's why I switched to the Kartek rack. It bolts right up, same mounts as the gearone...
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2009, 08:00:30 AM »
Tell me the internal differences.I've never had one from Kartek in my hands.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2009, 08:21:52 AM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on April 02, 2009, 08:00:30 AM
Tell me the internal differences.I've never had one from Kartek in my hands.
basically the same, just beef cake-e-ir.  There are a couple springs and ball bearing in the top of the rack pushing up against the bottom of the lid though.....
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2009, 08:56:53 AM »
That'd make a lot of difference IMO. As it is all the others just let the rack flop around inside the housing. There are only 3 bearing points as they are ,the bottonm ends of the rack and ontop being the pinion. That setup cannot take the slop out even if there were no clearance between the rack and pinion. What's the Kartek rack sell for?
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2009, 08:58:51 AM »
Around 4 bills.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2009, 09:01:39 AM »
Quote from: Yoshi on April 02, 2009, 08:21:52 AM
basically the same, just beef cake-e-ir.  There are a couple springs and ball bearing in the top of the rack pushing up against the bottom of the lid though.....
There's nothing wrong with how beefy the gear-one rack is -just a copy of poor design like the cheapies are. I swear to God I'll never buy another gear-one product.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2009, 09:11:48 AM »
Gear one, Import quality USA made pricing..
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2009, 09:20:57 AM »
Effin overpriced copies of junk designs. IMO only of course!
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2009, 09:24:02 AM »
I won't bitch about the quality of their work tho.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2009, 10:05:30 AM »
Quote from: Masterfabr on April 02, 2009, 09:24:02 AM
I won't bitch about the quality of their work tho.

Is this in reference to the Gear One rack you are bitching about or something else?  ;D

Your starting to confuse me!
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2009, 10:31:44 AM »
THe gear-one rack and the gear-one midboards.The rack is just as sloppy as a chinese cheapo with a much nicer look. The midboards have NO way to adjust the wheel bearings.
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Re: Toe in change
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 10:43:12 AM »
Only way to adjust them and still no way to determine how tight the wheel bearings are on the Gear-one midboards is machining or shimming. Either way it requires a complete disassembly to do so. I SOOOOO wish that FMC had not gone out of business.   
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