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Offline fabr

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Dog Style Transmission Shifting
« on: March 16, 2013, 10:57:25 AM »
This article by William Hewland is extremely informative. IMO. Worth the few minutes to read. It applies to motorcycle type transmissions like many of us use . It'll add a lot of life to our gearboxes if we pay attetion to what he says.




Hewland Engineering

Methods of Changing Gear.

By William Hewland.

The following is some info regarding shifting gear and face dog wear. I am in the fortunate position where I have a good amount of knowledge on the subject, as I understand the mechanical side and the user (driver) side equally well.

N.B. For succesful gear shifting, remember that it is critical to ensure that all mechanical elements between the drivers hand and the dog faces are in good order and properly set. This includes the gear linkage in the chassis!

Successful up-shifting, (defined as fast and non dog-damaging) will be achieved by fully moving the dog ring as rapidly as possible from one gear to the next, preferably with the engine's driving load removed until the shift is completed. (The opposite is true of a synchromesh gearbox as used in passenger cars, where slow movement helps). It should be remembered that it is not possible to damage the dogs when fully engaged (in gear). The damage can only take place when initiating contact during a shift, (the `danger zone`) therefore this element must be made as short as possible. If a driver moves the gear lever slowly, or if the linkage is not rigid and effective, dog wear will occur. We always recommend lightweight yet solid rod linkage, not cables ideally.

I list below the different methods of up-shifting that are used in racing most commonly. The best at the top, the worst at the bottom:

Automated (semi automated). The movement of the dog ring is powered and the engine is cut / re-instated in a co-ordinated manner. Gear-shifts take milliseconds. This system produces zero dog wear when set up well. It is not applicable to most cars, but it illustrates that speed of shift is a good thing.

Manual with engine cut. This system is almost as good as an automated one as long as the driver pulls the lever very quickly. Again it is not applicable to many cars, but it illustrates that speed of shift is a good thing. A `cheat` version of this is to shift on the engine rev limiter, which can work well. With this system it is especially important to move the lever ultra fast, otherwise the engine will be reinstated during partial dog engagement, causing damage. The damage can usually be felt by the driver.

Manual.
Best method: With no assistance from the engine management, the driver must lift off the throttle sufficiently to allow the dog ring to be pulled out of engagement. He should then stay off the throttle long enough to allow the dog ring to engage with the next gear. In practice, the driver can move the gear lever faster than he can move his foot off and back on to the throttle. Therefore the effective method is to apply load to the gear lever with your hand and then lift the throttle foot off and back on to the pedal as fast as physically possible. In lifting your foot, the loaded gear lever will almost involuntarily flick to the next gear before the foot is re-applied to the throttle.


Another method is to load the gear lever with your hand, stay flat on the throttle and dab the clutch to release the dog ring. The overall effect on the gear shift is similar to the above method, but clutch wear may become a big issue.


The worst method (most destructive and definitely slowest) is to attempt to change gear in a `passenger car / synchromesh` way, i.e. lifting off the throttle, dipping the clutch, moving the gear lever, letting the clutch up and re-instating the throttle. The method causes unnecessary clutch wear, does absolutely nothing to help come out of gear and usually causes dog wear whilst engaging the next gear. This wear is due to several reasons. Firstly, it is impossible for a driver to co-ordinate the complicated sequence of all five physical movements accurately. Consequently the engagement dogs often find themselves engaging whilst the throttle is applied. The lever is usually pulled more slowly as it was not pre-loaded, lengthening the `danger zone`.
 
Successful down-shifting, has similar rules applied regarding speed of shift. Unloading the dogs is done in the opposite manner obviously. Whilst braking, the dogs must be unloaded by either touching the throttle pedal or- my preferred method- by dipping the clutch. However, one sharp dab of clutch or throttle is appropriate per shift. Continued pressure on either will cause dog damage for different reasons. `Blipping the throttle` just before engagement is advisable if the rev drops between gears are over 1300 rpm, as this will aid engagement and stabilise the car.

TOP TIP for ease of downshifting: Make the downshifts as late as possible in your braking zone (i.e. at lower road speed), because the rev drops between each gear are then lower. So many drivers make the mistake of downshifting as soon as they begin braking, causing gearbox wear, engine damage and `disruption` to the driving wheels.

This is a subject which can be much expanded on, but I feel that these are the basics, which I hope are of use.

William Hewland,
President, Hewland Engineering.
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Re: Dog Style Transmission Shifting
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2013, 08:26:22 PM »
This is how I shift my dirtbike. How many here shift a buggy this way?
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Re: Dog Style Transmission Shifting
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 05:41:39 AM »
I use clutch maybe half the time, both up and down shifting.  But I need moare practice, ASAP!  ;D
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Re: Dog Style Transmission Shifting
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 06:03:03 AM »
This is how I shift my dirtbike. How many here shift a buggy this way?
I use the clutch on up and down shifting. All I use it for is to unload the trans to facilitate a shift.I don't try to "time" the motion other than to hit the pedal at the same time as pulling on the shifter. Never a missed shift. Clutchless shifts are ,of course ,possible but not nearly as reliable as a momentary clutch disengagement.
  That got me thinking about this torque converter driven Fortin sequential. WHat's best practice shifting one? Well,there's no clutch to use. Most ,apparently ,just do the lift and upshift or throttle blip and downshift. That requires shift timing and paying attention or I have a pile of very expensive pieces very quickly.  So,,,,I've been seriously considering the closed loop gear change stuff from Geartronics. With it all you have to do is pull the shifter and everything is electronically done for me. Power cut on upshifts and throttle is automatically blipped for downshifts. Best part of all is that power is not reapplied until the shift completion is sensed. In other words ,nearly seamless power like an automatic with nearly a zero chance of a missed shift. It's pricey though . About the same as the rebuild cost after the first eff up on a shift. As Hewland says though ,the possibility of tearing up a trans is greatly reduced and trans life should be extended also.


http://www.geartronics.co.uk/
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
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Re: Dog Style Transmission Shifting
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 12:53:32 PM »
i typically lift foot off throttle for a second, while also shifting with or without the clutch.  Sometimes I blip the clutch while throwing it forward into the next gear.  Sometimes while im climbing rpms, ill pressure the shifter forward untill it stops, then i blip the throttle and the gear changes instantly and smoothly.  I like this method best as there is never any gear noise, clanking or any jerking in the buggy.  But id say the majority of the time i shift similar to a car, let off the throttle as im clutching and shifting all in one seamless movement.  3yrs of hard ass driving and my clutch and gear dogs seem fine???  knock on wood.   

my street bike on the other hand has severe damage to the 2nd gear dog wheels and wont stay in gear in 2nd.  Due to my friend wheeling it in 2nd gear alot.  Plus the yzf600 has a looooong 1st to second gear shift, and years of periodic missed shifts probably didnt help.
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