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Machinery, Trailers, Toyhaulers and Motorhomes => Trailers, Toyhaulers and Motorhomes => Topic started by: dsrace on July 05, 2019, 03:21:28 PM
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here is a company that builds solid toyhaulers and will customize them just about any way to fit ones needs. opposing slides and auto leveling systems.
https://www.shadowtrailerworld.com/store/p3709/2019_STW_Enclosed_Toy_Hauler_with_17%E2%80%99_Luxury_LQ_85410-90-GN-3-7-17%27LQ.html
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Very nice. I was told by dexter when I built the trailer that burned to not use triple torsions. Said it would prematurely wipe out the rubbers. Then again my red toyhauler trailer has triple torsions. I think it has more to do with if it is used only on the pavement or flat ground. They said that torsions don't "equalize" the load over all 3 axles like springs do and it is easy to overload one of the axles if the pin height wasn't where it should be or if used on uneven ground.
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fabr, i don't doubt that one bit! i have never liked torsion and pre fer leafs. i have seen the after math of shot bushings in torsions! now i know we differ on slipper springs ;D but after having pulled a tandem with slippers i did like the way it handled whiled dodging storms at 70 mph. that company and one down by enid oklahoma, have specialized in horse trailers with living quarters and have begun branching out to toyhaulers/ race trailers with living quarters. the outfit by enid just started branching out. i posted it as i believe those style to be stronger than any camper based toyhauler on the market imo.
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there is another company in tulsa as well but so far the one in florida is the only one that shows slide out on there models and they'll do opposing slides.
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fabr, i don't doubt that one bit! i have never liked torsion and pre fer leafs. i have seen the after math of shot bushings in torsions! now i know we differ on slipper springs ;D but after having pulled a tandem with slippers i did like the way it handled whiled dodging storms at 70 mph. that company and one down by enid oklahoma, have specialized in horse trailers with living quarters and have begun branching out to toyhaulers/ race trailers with living quarters. the outfit by enid just started branching out. i posted it as i believe those style to be stronger than any camper based toyhauler on the market imo.
No doubt about it.
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i actually reached out and spoke with one of the shadow trailer dealers in florida as he stocks a number of there toyhaulers. he basically said if i can dream it and there engineers can make it fit then they will build it. based on pictures alone there fit and finish looks to be top end compared to the other 2 companies i looked at. the one thing they don't do and need to is a platform at the base of the bed like my th'er so you can sit on the edge with your feet on the floor. its not walk around but maintains the shorter ceiling. these new toyhaulers are 13'5" tall for true walk around beds. that's a lot of side wall to catch wind plus makes for steeper ramp gates. none the less you know as well as i do that carg trailers are designed to haul weight first where th'ers are an after thought. the slides are manual, which i don't understand that part but not a huge deal imo.
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Manual slides? WTH? Is the landing gear manual as well? Fook that. For around 80K I'm not manually doing anything. I'm not buying one either though. Soooo, :nw I'm going to OKC tomorrow with a side stop in Waynoka. Enid is right on the way. Does the place in Enid stock any?
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https://wildwesttrailers.com/trailer/custom-built-toy-hauler/
edmond oklahoma, my mistake. i don't think they offer the same camper like conversion that shadow does. shadow does offer a $50k model but that one ad said manual slides. i do not know why but thats what i read.
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;D ;D
https://youtu.be/_uISpJXG9DY
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Buy one for me too while you're at it.
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LMAO LMAO rofl rofl
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fast , here you go.....
https://youtu.be/3y9lXz_qTUA
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and the spec page https://www.granddesignrv.com/showroom/2020/toy-hauler/momentum/floorplans/398m
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and here's the options page https://www.granddesignrv.com/shopping-tools/build-and-price-your-grand-design-rv/floorplan/6/55030
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so i talked to a rep at grand design today. they won't make any changes to there models at the factory. he said he'll pass along a couple of my idea's and i'm sure 1 will make it but the rest fell on deaf ears. i flat out told him that if they want to be #1 in the toyhauler market then they need an actual off roaders input into the design ........not a golf cart jockey! at this point weekend warrior was the only th'er built by an off roader for off roaders. real shame he doesn't build anymore fifth wheels but is back building travel trailers toyhaulers. he's building under a different name as lux rv bought the weekend warrior name.
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They sell so many there's no reason to cater to a small segment of the market. Especially when that small segment is made up of guys like us that would be ,shall we say,a bit more discriminating of build quality. :m
Of course a high quality off road toyhauler would be a seller ,IMO. There's opportunity knocking!!!!
Speaking of opportunity knocking I had the deal of the year fall in my lap a couple weeks ago. A customer wanted basically 8 40 foot 6X6 I beams fabbed into 2 piece,bolt together columns. No problem, we sell it pretty regularly,occasionally have some fab done. This fab quote came in fricking ridiculous but we knew the customer had little choice with the time restraints . Then I got to thinking,add on our markup and I was going to make about $3k profit on the sale. Then I really got my lazy ass to thinking and if I was to do the fabbing I was going to net about $10K. For 30 hours approx work. About $330 an hour. I'll take that deal.I'm waiting on headers from Jet-Hot and stand height gauge from T&D s I'm dead in water in shop anyway. Sometimes things just work out. :)
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They sell so many there's no reason to cater to a small segment of the market. Especially when that small segment is made up of guys like us that would be ,shall we say,a bit more discriminating of build quality. :m
Of course a high quality off road toyhauler would be a seller ,IMO. There's opportunity knocking!!!!
Speaking of opportunity knocking I had the deal of the year fall in my lap a couple weeks ago. A customer wanted basically 8 40 foot 6X6 I beams fabbed into 2 piece,bolt together columns. No problem, we sell it pretty regularly,occasionally have some fab done. This fab quote came in fricking ridiculous but we knew the customer had little choice with the time restraints . Then I got to thinking,add on our markup and I was going to make about $3k profit on the sale. Then I really got my lazy ass to thinking and if I was to do the fabbing I was going to net about $10K. For 30 hours approx work. About $330 an hour. I'll take that deal.I'm waiting on headers from Jet-Hot and stand height gauge from T&D s I'm dead in water in shop anyway. Sometimes things just work out. :)
that is a sweet deal! yes this group of guys would be more discriminating of build quality! there is a market and they actually have one of the higher build qualities i have seen so far. now that isn't saying much when were talking camper :m :m but comparatively they do and they are 1 of 3 companies that do not void your warranty if you tell them your traveling full time or an extended stay in there campers. they also offer a 3 year structural warranty that many other don't. the 3 year warranty isn't saying much of course as that isn't long term but still better than the 1 year standard. btw the one i have been looking at has a 157 gal freshwater tank, 78 gallon grey water tank and a 78 gal black water tank. thats a lot of shit right there rofl rofl
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Better get a new duramax/allison dually to pull it........................
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f450 will work better ;D ;)
or one of these?? https://youtu.be/zlrBcMETJuQ
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or one of these ??
https://youtu.be/sJYW4XoE-50
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good lord!!!
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my response was holy shit ! eagle makes a triple slide model also. full optioned out with onboard lp 2500 genny , msrp is $62k so 25% to 30% off is where you should find the mammoth priced. lance has a 2 slide model and around here they want $45k to $50k. the lance is a very nice truck camper but for the same money or less i would buy the triple slide model! both require a 1 ton dually anyway. the triple slide mammoth weighs in at $4950 lbs dry. that has thermal pane windows and r19 in the roof and floor, r11 in the wall i think. amazing for that roof and walls considering. one can buy a damn nice fifthweel toyhauler for that money! or a well built trailer and slide in camper lol
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here are a few more options with prob the best payload ( 5478lb payload) capacity i have seen yet!
http://www.bestrv.com/detail.cfm?ID=237777
https://www.pacificcoachworks.com/toy-haulers/sandsport/sandsport-toy-hauler-3414/
https://www.rvtrader.com/listing/2020-Pacific-Coachworks-Sandsport-3200-5008478856 ( 4k lb payload)
https://youtu.be/slz0jRzu1ag
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IF I ever decide to just roam all over the USA for months at a time I will consider something other than what I have now. Until then..............................eff it. :nw
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IF I ever decide to just roam all over the USA for months at a time I will consider something other than what I have now. Until then..............................eff it. :nw
Did you ever get the new motor in the totor?
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posting it here for all to see the info since there isnt any decent info out there. mine has to double as both toyhauler and camper.
ya what budlight said....did you get that motor swapped?
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No,this old Nascar motor swap has taken up a lot of time. Almost done though.just need rocker shaft shims and pushrods and it is done.toter is next .
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https://youtu.be/bFKezkVnAUc genisis and atitude make some damn fine toyhaulers
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fast i think this one would work for you...
https://youtu.be/M_gL7LZtfYg
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https://youtu.be/BgQ4YDbEYoU
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mrs fast would prob pre fer this one. before you say the slide out won't work.....attitude buids them so the floor of the slide flips up so it doesn't hit your tires! you can see it in the video. this unit is the +3 floor.
https://youtu.be/zsIOCoxh8uQ
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Do they make one for 2 sxs and 2 full size buggies? Might have something there! ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Maybe a stacker with an upstairs slide also ????
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AND an elevator!!!!
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they dont but atc has a stacker that will easily fit 2 buggies. prob 1 4seat sxs and 4 seat buggy below and 4 seat buggy above.
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so i have to say that out of all the manufacturing plants i have called.....eclipse is the one! i cant get my questions answered by salesman at the dealerships. they dont know but try by emailing the questions. so then the next day if they remember to check they might get an answer then might get back to me which in turn provoces additional questions lol so i decided to just start calling the plants and asking for sales division. so road warrior, momentum, cruiser rv dont know shit! they have to ask someone else as they just dont know how to look the info up. also momentum and road warrior both replied in emails ,politly letting me that most dont know the weights of there toys and no they wont swap in heavier axles to get gvwr's up to haul the 2 seat sxsns they advertise them capable of hauling. they response also said there products wouldnt be a good fit for me. rofl thats just funny! basically there saying, we know you called us out, yes they are crap so dont by them lol cruiser rv hasnt gotten back to me yet and has an excellent cargo capacity for an indiana toyhauler. they offer 1 open floor plan model but its basically built for 1 4 seat 62" wide model sxs. i informed him of that as well lol so ecliped ( attitude/iconic) genisis ( supreme/vortex) seem to be the best on the market. pacific coach works looks to make some nice ones but very little info on there site. didnt bother calling either as there units are a bit heavier than i though they should be compared to there competition. they prob built some good units . so the one thing attitude/iconic ( eclipse) features is a flip up floor on the slide for an addition 10" of floor space when the toy is in. also use maring grade flooring, there gvwr is what the axle capacity is not plus 20% for what sits on the truck! they do offer 8k axles in place of the 7k axles. they option thermal windows as well as off the grid hybrid solar systems with lith batts that you can run the ac with. there west coast but will work with indpendent rv repair companies for warranty work accross the nation.
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in a nut shell those 3 brands are built by offroader for offroaders. everything built in indiana is designed for retired couples who ride a harley or want to store there golfcart inside of one. they are camper first then a garage. i really like when someone says or i hear the remark........i want a garage so i dont have to smell the gas fumes. i wish i knew who started that lie, i know why so many believe it. the biggest problem with a garage model is most only offer a 13' garage. thats not big enough and all garage models are much heavier than the open floor plan models. i do not know why as i cannot see 1 wall adding 2 to 3k lbs but what do i know lol closest attitude dealer is fort worth or junction city colorado from here. another funny story is a question asked the momentum toyhauler rep from there plant. anyone that has been in one has seen the electric bunk bed frame and couchs in the back. those are on the happy jack system o electric lift assy) and are a set. so i removed the bunk and 1 couch from my set as it was in the way and dead weight. i know how much those weigh and was shocked. i asked the momentum rep how much the entire assembly weighed bed, couches frame work etc etc, they of course had to ask the engineer team. they did get back to me and i was shocked that they did lol so she told me the the engineering team says 340 lbs for the entire system. i told her thanks for checking but they gave her the wrong info. the nice thing about the sales manager at eclipse was he had all the info on his computer and could answer all questions during the conversation. so i told him what momentum stated on that assemblies weight and that i dsagreed , he chuckled and said the whole assembly weighs 750lbs. so momentum was 1000k short on a decent cargo capacity and i asked as if one shed 500 from that happy jack system it would get one half weigh closer but futile battle imo.
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been looking at these as well. lower roofs, all aluminum with 8 year structural warranty. 36' long to 38' long range from 10k lbs to 11k lbs loaded.
https://youtu.be/rKBf9pce07k
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https://youtu.be/Tcb9j1gN1pY
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LAKOTA has better fit and finish imo but will not expand from 8' to 8' 6" wide.
https://youtu.be/ekmc7T3F40w
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https://youtu.be/69NGrwBksmE
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You know if you're serious about buying something like that Wynn has exactly what you want and it's for sale.................
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for some reason i thought you sold that. i am looking to stay between 36' and 38' in length.
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Don't think my buggy will fit into one of the horse stalls. 5:
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8' 6" wide with any length you want....how could it not?? ;)
http://www.sundownertrailer.com/tlr-ToyHauler-specs.html
https://youtu.be/SGAA6vD5X5I
https://youtu.be/RsiILtjO-Mw