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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #120 on: October 27, 2008, 09:55:37 PM »
My only objection to the plan is that busa coupler thing - ok, I am just givin you crap - you are a smart dude, you will figure it out.


But, just a question.  When I got my car, I really thought long and hard about a Busa, still like them, etc, but at what point do you say - hey I have a 091, why not just stick in a 2.0 or 2.5 with turbo or two?  At a certain point, this is all "power to weight" and if you can get that at 2.0 liters without the coupler issues, etc, why fight convention?   

This is likly going to spark a debate - yes gentlemen, a debate, not a brawl please....?  cc:

 
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #121 on: October 27, 2008, 10:03:07 PM »
There's just a real difference in a T'boed busa (or any superbike) and an auto powerplant.2 totally different animals. Different feel. It's one of those ford vs chevy things.No real reason other than preference.I personally like  pissing off the V6-V8 guys with a "little ol'motor sickle" when I run up beside them and wave as I usually go by.
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #122 on: October 27, 2008, 10:06:54 PM »
I hear you Mast.... recently our West Aussie crew held an event in combination with some traditional sized off roaders.... only one full sized car was faster than the (good) Sycle powered beastys over a timed course (and that car cost more than my house).

More power to you dude. I fear we share that particular passion!!!!!!  ;D
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #123 on: October 27, 2008, 10:23:14 PM »
I HOPE and THINK it will be sweet the more I research this.I've put up the coin so now it's time to git 'er done!
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #124 on: October 28, 2008, 12:07:40 AM »
Quote from: yummi on October 27, 2008, 09:55:37 PM
My only objection to the plan is that busa coupler thing - ok, I am just givin you crap - you are a smart dude, you will figure it out.


But, just a question.  When I got my car, I really thought long and hard about a Busa, still like them, etc, but at what point do you say - hey I have a 091, why not just stick in a 2.0 or 2.5 with turbo or two?  At a certain point, this is all "power to weight" and if you can get that at 2.0 liters without the coupler issues, etc, why fight convention?  

This is likly going to spark a debate - yes gentlemen, a debate, not a brawl please....?  cc:

 

I agree the bike motor is a better choice if the cars weight is kept low to reasonable. The bike motors can be made to make real power (quite reliably) and they have an RPM range most car motors will never touch and they do not have the weight penalty most car engine blocks do. So good power and more rpm with low weight and reliabilty.

Building a "car" motor to run with these cost as much as adding the goods to a Hayabusa (turbo and mods to use it well) then its back to the bike motor stilll being able to leave the bigger motor behind usually.

Any ideas on how long before you can glue this together and give it a shakedown?

 
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #125 on: October 28, 2008, 04:53:54 AM »
Mast... I see a problem... a big one.....
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #126 on: October 28, 2008, 05:53:29 AM »
Quote from: artie on edge on October 28, 2008, 04:53:54 AM
Mast... I see a problem... a big one.....
Speak up.
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #127 on: October 28, 2008, 10:52:27 AM »
Master, are you trying to do mid-engine or rear hanger? I cant wait to see how it works.
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #128 on: October 28, 2008, 11:13:46 AM »
I'll be removing the bellhousing and replacing it with a plate machined for R&P clearance and to pilot the input shaft. Doing that will allow me to flip the unit over for mid engine without losing ground clearance or use it rear engine.To be honest ,till it gets here I won't know how it will fit best.I'm thinking rear engine will allow me the best packaging but I'll know for sure next week when it arrives here.   
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2008, 11:15:52 AM »
Punkur I just gotta screw with you about your sig line. Can't stand it any more. It's BETER to be a smartass than a dumbass? Sorry but a smart ass would spell that BETTER.  LOL! Just kiddin'ya!
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #130 on: October 31, 2008, 09:54:39 PM »
Just got the UPS shipping weight for the 091.   97.8 #'s. Lighter than I thought! Great!
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #131 on: October 31, 2008, 10:05:49 PM »
Cool, so we will have pics in 4 days.  ;D

What are you going to do for brakes? inboard, outboard? Hubs etc.  Where is the project log again I can't seem to find it? :police:

Do you have parts or just a frame? and now a tranny.....
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #132 on: October 31, 2008, 10:13:59 PM »
Using Gear-one midboards and discs.
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #133 on: October 31, 2008, 11:17:43 PM »
Nice!!  A bit pricey, but very nice, long axles extra travel.  Sweet
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Re: busa/VW crossbreed?
« Reply #134 on: November 01, 2008, 12:23:45 AM »
Quote from: masterfabr on October 27, 2008, 10:03:07 PM
There's just a real difference in a T'boed busa (or any superbike) and an auto powerplant.2 totally different animals. Different feel. It's one of those ford vs chevy things.No real reason other than preference.I personally like  pissing off the V6-V8 guys with a "little ol'motor sickle" when I run up beside them and wave as I usually go by.

where as I haven't personally had a t'boed busa rail, I have driven one. I have however had a few non t'boed  bike powerplants and now a 3800 series II v-6 rail. I can say when I sell the v-6 rail I'm going back to a mini. probably a t'boed zx14r next. I do love the tq from the v-6 and the grunt factor is unmatched by a bike motor but the throttle response, acceleration, in line shift, mid engine stability, sound, cost and many more on the list, can't be beat. the bikes win in my book. sorry to the car guys but I will be going back.

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