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Title: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 01:15:46 AM
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 01:17:44 AM
Next installment soon, guys pm me with ideas please. My area of specialty is suspension steering and brakes. These I can handle but I will need help with other areas.

Also WHERE SHOULD THIS BE? I put it here for want of a dedicated area (didnt want to double it up in the MSP and AP sections).

Finally, I ask that you dont post on thi sforum. Its to be a log of information we can direct new guys to so they have the terminology right for when they ask us questions. So lets leave it clear of posts ande easy for them to read. Ill delete this post once everybodys had a chance to look it over.
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: Reidy02 on July 02, 2009, 02:47:24 AM
Ah you are a wealth of information aren't you Artie! Well done ol son.. ;)
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 02, 2009, 05:58:02 AM
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:13:31 AM
Fabr, I have no idea what you are taking about....
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 02, 2009, 06:32:43 AM
You want a debate topic,huh?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 04:41:14 PM
You want a debate topic,huh?  ;D ;D

no...seriously..what are you talking about?
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: Yummi on July 02, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
Finally, I ask that you dont post on thi sforum.

As if!


Terminology update:

The ones you really need. .......... 

In the order of importance for the "project." (With bonus usage phrases)


CASH: money in the form of bills or coins.
"I have no mother fxxking cash to pay for that!"

CREDIT:  arrangement for deferred payment for goods and services
"That's OK, use your credit - 21% per annum is a small price to pay for fun."

OPTIMISM: a tendency to expect the best, or at least, a favourable outcome;
"I know that if I just tack weld it; it will hold up just fine; I am optimistic."

DO OVER: A repeat of a previous activity, with the hope of greater success
"That mother fxxking weld did not hold - grind that shit out and do it over."

BUDGET: a sum of money allocated for a particular purpose
"Cool, just ordered from Doug Hiem!  There is one more budget blown to hell."

PERMISSION: approval to do something
"Do whatever the fxxk you want; with my permission, after you mow, take out the trash, balance the check book, play with the kids......."

PATIENCE:   good-natured tolerance of delay or incompetence.
Yep, still waiting on that UPS box.... just be patient

SETTLE:  reconcile: come to terms.
Yeah, it is no Tatum, SCU, Baller Limo, Sinister, but its mine......


Now you know......... ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:03:26 PM
You want a debate topic,huh?  ;D ;D

just messing with ya.... already fixed. I agree with you for what its worth.... ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 02, 2009, 06:15:25 PM
LOL!!!!, I know! We'll clean out the BS in a day or two.This is a good example of what good info is.Good job,IMO, Artie!
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:26:31 PM
Anybody and I mean anybody...what do we want done next? I have a suspension posting half done. Brakes and steering system after that.. but then what? Input input input required....

Anybody really good at simplifying electrical? Wanna put yer hand up?
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: Yummi on July 02, 2009, 06:27:29 PM
Trojan is - shockingly so. 
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:34:31 PM
Trojan is - shockingly so.

groan.... yummi you sad sad bugger... I actually WAS fishing for Trojan.... havent had a bite yet.....
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 02, 2009, 06:36:09 PM
Actually, come to think of it, I think I did get a Trojan nibble yesterday. He PMed me some nearly pornographic reference material...... naturally I deleted it immediately... (or at least I will soon... maybe......)
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 02, 2009, 08:17:36 PM
Anybody and I mean anybody...what do we want done next? I have a suspension posting half done. Brakes and steering system after that.. but then what? Input input input required....

Anybody really good at simplifying electrical? Wanna put yer hand up?
LOL!!! You got to be joking! You HATE my way of electrifying stuff! ;) ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 02, 2009, 08:18:42 PM
groan.... yummi you sad sad bugger... I actually WAS fishing for Trojan.... havent had a bite yet.....
He'll come around if you talk real nice to him, usually...............
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: Bugpac on July 03, 2009, 10:35:39 AM
Anybody and I mean anybody...what do we want done next? I have a suspension posting half done. Brakes and steering system after that.. but then what? Input input input required....

Anybody really good at simplifying electrical? Wanna put yer hand up?

Ok, since you understand the theory of an air shock now, How about a little artie tech article on how they work... For those more challenged about how they work...
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: trojan on July 03, 2009, 08:44:42 PM
Trojan is - shockingly so. 

If its "not on"... its "off"

;)
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 08, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
The next 'installment'.... Suspension systems ....

Suspension Styles

Suspension systems as used in off road buggys can have several differing styles. But basically they are categorised in 2 areas. Independent and Non-idependent. Examples are pictured below. Put simply an idependent suspension can have an action placed on one wheel which will not having any RE-action transferred to another wheel. With a non idependent suspension an action occurring on one wheel ALSO has a an action on the linked wheel.

As a general rule, MOST buggys have independent suspension at all corners, while Truggies usually have a Live Beam rear axle which is an example of non -independent suspension and independent front suspension.

Examples........

Independant

(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Findependent.jpg&hash=c41d1cd958b30d4680abf1ebe5f395784491651c)


Non Independent


(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Fbeamaxle.jpg&hash=c5e2905b611cb996a5e3c51281d5cb1d1925d95e)

Now both these sytems have a set of sub systems or categories and these include...(please note I have only mentioned those which are commonly used in our sport. There are a few others for road use)...


Independant

       Double A arm like the front and rear of some buggys

(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2FIndependentrear.jpg&hash=629f3fde41d8e5df8c2b2106c0bf51a2c65f5130)

       Trailing arm and semi trailing arms like the rear of some buggys

(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Ftrailing.jpg&hash=1bc45ce2ff0828ee3a1af223a70f4d18894f0d67)

       Front beams like earlier buggys commonly used

(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Fbeamindependent.jpg&hash=926c097210ddc0fcc0119f511dfc54f3cbbc2a5a)

Non-Idendepenent (which can be)

       Dead Beam Axle
Is a simple bar across the width of the car that the wheels mount to and does NOT transmit power. Some front wheel drive cars use this at the rear end. Eg: Like a trailer axle
(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Fnonidependant.jpg&hash=d71b5fb5e1b650438af43e8288740c2dbcf2488c)   


       Live Beam Axle
This is a typical drive axle (which includes the differential in the housing making it 'drive' the car) like in the rear of any rear wheel drive, non independent car. This is the style used in Truggies (mainly)
(https://dtsfab.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi293.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fmm54%2Fartieonedge%2Fsolidaxlecoilspring.jpg&hash=adcbc9509ed6b8b94e1cdf983ab89000cf137454)
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 08, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
Thanks to Lance...lifted the pic of his rear end from his thread... always use a bibliography..oops... missed a few......
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 11, 2009, 08:14:37 AM
Artie,I want to thank you for your efforts in this thread.It is very good useful info. If you don't care could we split the the front suspension stuff from the rear suspension stuff and make them both a sticky ?
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on July 11, 2009, 08:16:17 AM
Might not need to be split now that I reread it ,what do you think? You know where you are heading with this. We'll sticky the info either way.
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on July 15, 2009, 06:13:54 PM
I think it should stay to gether. As far as the seperate titles go, perhaps one thread for the angles, one for suspension styles and then say brakes.

Brakes is next then thinking shock absorbers (basic) coilovers/airshocks (and why they are different from emulsion shocks etc AND why they arent actually airshocks).

Followed by the various steering units we commonly use and I was thinking that a really articulate Kansan might do a small write up on Electric servo assisted steering....  ::)

There have been several good articles on the web which detail how to service the Fox airs. Be nice if we had our own plus also perhaps Kings units as well. Looking into that...... what do the others think? Any suggestions?

From my viewpoint I can only really give you susp steer n brakes with any hope of accuracy. I know all the theory on the other stuff but have no real practical application so loooking for volunteers. Keep in mind that this is being written for guys and gals new to the sport so I think a section on basic electrical would be good plus one on simple constructiuon techniques for our chassis styles would also be beneficial....

I want THIS site to be the preferred reference (and activity) site and therefore stand apart from ALL others.....

Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: SPEC on July 16, 2009, 07:52:08 AM
Don't forget the swingarm cars ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: masternate42 on February 13, 2010, 08:22:30 PM
too bad all the pics are GONZO........ drowning
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on February 13, 2010, 11:24:36 PM
Fricken photo bucket.
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: Reidy02 on February 15, 2010, 12:11:49 AM
Yeah what's the go there? Surely if the pictures are yours you can do what you damn well please with them. bs1 They were yours right Artie?? :o ;D
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: artie on edge on February 21, 2010, 02:50:31 AM
Freakin hell. How do I fix this to make the pics permanent? Too right Fabr...fricken photobucket!

Never fear I will fix...... somehow......
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: fabr on February 21, 2010, 07:41:22 AM
You do man ,Artie!
Title: Re: Terminology For Those New to Desert Trail And Sand Off-Roading
Post by: SPEC on February 21, 2010, 09:14:54 AM
 ;D
I think you can down load to your puter and then up load to the site as your own pix
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