Enemy's new ass... AKA moving the Jeffco

[Enemy]

There is a widely accepted misconception as to how antidive works.

Ya got that right! I am definitely accepting the misconception  Makes my head hurt less...

[fabr]

I agree with this above... BUT... It disagrees with this you said below. 

Also I do think you can induce antidive with with brakes on an independant suspension.

I needs clarification here! I is cornfuzed!

No contradiction at all. There is no brake induced antidive with indepentent rear suspension therefore caliper position makes no difference as far as antidive is concerned.

[Nutz4sand]

No contradiction at all. There is no brake induced antidive with indepentent rear suspension therefore caliper position makes no difference as far as antidive is concerned.

Please correct me if I am wrong here but with an A-arm rear end you can build antidive in with the angles the arms are mounted. The caliper induces a torque that can be used to achieve this if its desired just as it can be made to do one an A-arm front end with brakes.   

[Engineer]

This is going to get deep real fast.     With anti-dive in the front you are using the brake torque to try to keep the front suspension from compressing.

What exactly are you going to do in the rear to prevent dive?  If you make it lift the rear then the front will dive more, you could make it the opposite of front anti dive and have it lower the rear which would result in the whole car squatting when you hit the brakes.  I am not real sure what you could gain.

[Boostinjdm]

What exactly are you going to do in the rear to prevent dive?  If you make it lift the rear then the front will dive more, you could make it the opposite of front anti dive and have it lower the rear which would result in the whole car squatting when you hit the brakes. 

Do you have ESP?  Cuz ya just read my mind.

[fabr]

This is going to get deep real fast.     With anti-dive in the front you are using the brake torque to try to keep the front suspension from compressing.

What exactly are you going to do in the rear to prevent dive?  If you make it lift the rear then the front will dive more, you could make it the opposite of front anti dive and have it lower the rear which would result in the whole car squatting when you hit the brakes.  I am not real sure what you could gain.

Bingo.

[Dunebound69]

AAAOOOOGGGAA AAAOOOGGAA DIVE DIVE DIVE

[Dunebound69]

You done yet Enemy?

[Dunebound69]

Any update photos? Are you needing buggy transport to LS pm me.

[Enemy]

I have quite a bit accomplished but quite the distace to go yet...   I will try and get some pics up this weekend, I have a few more things to tidy up. I am trying my best to get this finished up before the LS trip but it will definately be pushing it 
I appreciate the offer on the transport, I will definately keep it in mind. THANKS!

[dsrace]

enemy first off you doing a great job keep it up and you'll have it finished for the trip just the way you want it!  second off here is that pic of the king sand car set up with the jeffco unit in it, you were asking about. this pic and other were posted by king sand cars on mbn but don't seem to be there anymore. I do find it interesting that this can possibly last ( the chain ) but seriously have my doubts unless the drivers only push the throttle in short spurts!

lastly, guys seriously about anti dive for the dunes or dirt fields does it really make that big of difference!? I don't personally think it would work with irs but can see it working on the ifs however with out hitting the brakes just letting off the throttle will already squat the front. the brakes will just make it squat a little more so are you trying to keep the brakes from squatting the extra couple of inches by using the anti dive theory on the front brakes? I can see this principal in use on low clearance, low travel toys like for oval track, dirt track and even road racing but I don't think it is worth too much  for long travel use on the sand dunes and dirt fields! if you really want to control front end squat then slow the compression rate in the shock or add oil. 

just my opinion but if someone can explain to me how anti in the front is greatly beneficial for general dunning or running the dirt fields then please do I am open to new ideas? also at what point is the extra couple of inches that the brakes squatting the front end going to become a problem on the dunes? give me an example? I'm not trying to start anything just trying to understand at what point like for example running down the dunes and riding you brakes or coming out of a bowl and hitting you brakes will the dive make the suspension bottom out?

[Doug Heim]

There is NO WAY that chain holds up for any length of time!

[fabr]

Anti dive on the front is IMO a good design element. Just my opinion. As for the rear-BS.

[Enemy]

DS you are asking the some of the same questions I have been trying to get some input on as well! Fabr what do ya think? Get an Anti dive thread going? I have got a load of curiosity's about exactly how all that works....  
Magical shit to me LOL

[Enemy]

There is NO WAY that chain holds up for any length of time!

WEEEELLLLL, Maybe if they just toodle around the campgrounds it may last what, ....a couple days at least...?
 

That chain would puke its o-rings the first time it pulled all the way through 2nd gear!!!!