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Offline Baloo

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car derived sxs
« on: July 16, 2018, 02:09:54 PM »
hello boys how you all doing over there

I have a hankering for a 2 seat  buggy preferably with a car engine and box, maybe a vw golf since they are common and cheap and have a huge range of power out puts form mild to wild

but you don't see many based on car components, was looking for inspiration or ideas really

anyone got any links to builds of buggies with car engines that have turned out well ?

Andy

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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2018, 07:00:59 PM »
Good to hear from you again baloo. Always like seeing your unique projects. BTW,how did the last one go?  WHen you say buggy,what do you mean? Our definition of buggy ,I think,is different from yours.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2018, 11:54:31 PM »
hi

the last one stalled, I think,  I cant even remember what I was building lol,
I guess buggy means lots of different things to different people
over here I think anything made tube would be called a buggy, like the Chinese ones


I have been given a vw golf for free so that's a convenient start point, 
I can see why everyone your side of the pond chases long travel suspension with all those dunes to play in
but we don't have anything remotely like that to play on,
I imagine using macpherson struts all round is probably going to be frowned upon  but I don't think I need 14" of wheel travel don't know what I can get out of standard vw suspension but I am willing to try it and see
vw rally cars seem to manage to be robust enough like this




my definition of a buggy  is something like this
a collection of tubes with an engine in there somewhere


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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2018, 06:02:30 AM »
Cool! Yes,I agree ,you don't need or even want long travel for that type of fun. Do you have numbers on how much travel the donor vw golf has stock?
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Re: car derived sxs
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2018, 07:03:24 AM »
hello boys how you all doing over there

I have a hankering for a 2 seat  buggy preferably with a car engine and box, maybe a vw golf since they are common and cheap and have a huge range of power out puts form mild to wild

but you don't see many based on car components, was looking for inspiration or ideas really

anyone got any links to builds of buggies with car engines that have turned out well ?

Andy

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2018, 07:39:33 AM »
Cool for sure. I was/am amazed that the nomad is bronze welded chassis. WTH is up with that? I mean for MX bicycles I would be OK with it but on a car????? A car destined for hard usage????? Someone enlighten me WHY would that be the choice of joining structural members on an off road car.  Also,it is using ERW tube. Strong enough but it's mostly accepted practice here to use 1018 DOM or better for a variety of reasons but ERW is plenty strong,IMO.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2018, 07:53:37 AM by fabr »
"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2018, 09:08:03 AM »
well that's pretty cool, and just up the road
I quite like that but its not going to be cheap at all
but nice non the less
I can use it for inspiration but wont be raiding my piggy bank to place an order just yet lol

mine needs to be golf based as I was given a golf for free, tight arse I know want to see if I can build something worthwhile for $1000  LMAO

here's what I was given  and they say you should never look a gift horse in the mouth, right




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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2018, 09:33:39 AM »
It's a bit coincidental but I have recently bought 3 Yamaha YXZ's . I have been toying with the idea of using most ,if not all,the drivetrain/engine/suspension from a donor on a project like you are considering. I have imagined a rally car type buggy. We have a lot of new,old stock availability here in the US. A brand new 2016 can be had for around 14K US dollars. There are also a lot of wrecked ones here. Something you might consider. Here is an article  link to the YXZ in the UK.  https://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/bikes/yamaha/full-crash-test-yamahas-amazing-yxz1000r
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2018, 01:29:07 PM »
now they look fun but still pretty pricey  over 20k

so although the golf looked pretty desperate its very low mileage and cleaned up well











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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2018, 01:32:27 PM »
Was thinking you might find one totalled and be able to get it cheap with all the goodies needed to build. May not many in the UK though like here.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2018, 01:43:57 PM »
they are rare over here think I would have more chance of knitting fog than finding a cheap one
but it would make sense if I could find one, you have much cheaper stuff over there I think

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« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2018, 02:46:53 PM »
Knitting fog  :m :m now that is funny!! I suppose it would cost a fortune to ship a basket case one from here as well.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: car derived sxs
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2018, 03:21:55 PM »
What did you use to clean the engine up so nice? 

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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2018, 07:38:30 AM »
What did you use to clean the engine up so nice?


Diesel !!!!


a trick I learnt back when I was knee high to a grass hopper  :m

if you spill diesel anywhere like in the back of your truck it has this ability to creep every where and get under everything, so what I do is spray the engine with diesel out of a garden spray bottle and leave it for a day or 2 to soak in   then when you steam clean it the dirt/grim almost jumps off of its own accord
well it comes off easier anyway  :)
I did the v6 golf with it the other day , shiney  8)


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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2018, 07:47:13 AM »
Knitting fog  :m :m now that is funny!! I suppose it would cost a fortune to ship a basket case one from here as well.

 I bet it would cost a fortune  to ship over indeed

I need a sump for a cummins 555 engine and I found one over there but shipping was over $500 for a $100 sump
rather killed it lol

but I do think your right one of those would make the basis of an excellent buggy
but I have half an idea about retiring soon and will need something to do, so was thinking that if I can design a frame that accepts mk 4 golf or beetle ( new shape) as its a mk 4 platform running gear  then I might be able to sell a few, golfs are so cheap over here, probably are over there to ?


if i was to use an YXZ  as a base i would be limiting my market considerably and driving the price up massively
that's not to say I wouldn't build one for my self if one happened along at the right price 

 

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