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Title: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 08, 2009, 06:46:36 PM
Something a little off topic to get away from the Evolution, gay rights, abortion, the death penalty, If god is real or not, and titties, everything this site is not about, well maybe the tittys fit.... ::)

Getting back at it, gonna build a new roof and firewall for my car, then i got to make some parts for the molds owner....Process will update over the next 3 days or so....

Molds been sitting had to hit them with the wheel and some 3m finess it 2 to get them like a babys ass again...

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Next it was time for some wax, 3 coats actually...

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Hand buffed them and there ready for gelcoat and glass in the am....

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More to come tomorrow...



Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: fabr on January 08, 2009, 07:24:52 PM
Cool! We still need to talk about a body for mine maybe.You coming this way for LS later this year?
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Pacman on January 08, 2009, 08:58:03 PM
I thought you where moving? Shouldn't you be packing or something? hh:
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 08, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
Pacman: Got obligations to fulfill...

Fabber: I hope to yes, well see how the move and new job goes...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 10, 2009, 04:29:02 PM
The first step is to shoot the gelcoat on, I use a dump gun, it goes on quick and cleans up easy, got to let the hardener activate, Once the finger doesn't leave a print i start laying, All time is dependent on temp and catalyst ratio... If you try and mix the gelcoat to hot, it will lift off the mold before you get the glass laid, I mixed today in 60 degree at 1.5%, max is 2%...

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The roof gets done in 3 steps, it is a bitch to lay glass upside down, possible but not worth the risk... I first lay one side...

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I trim all the excess after the resin gels, it is almost hards but still soft enuff to cut with a razr blade, Limited time window..

Next over on its top side....

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Again i trim the edges, I also over lap the first lay, Got to be carefull, the first side is still warm, heat cures resin, lay that last and roll it out first....

Now i flip to the last side, I put a clamp on the first side as it is up in the air now, and i dont want it to loosen from the mold....  Oops, didnt get a pic of the other side...Here is another of the first side tho...

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Then i will trim that, and let it set overnight, Tomorrow ill need to take the razr blade and slide it down the edge again, this will make a nice clean edge, When I initally cut it hairs will kinda smere a bit, Not a big deal, it just doesnt cut real clean till its hard, But cant cut the thickness hard either...I will then hit the edges with a orbital sander, and paint the inside while in the mold, saves taping... More to come later....

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Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Dunebound69 on January 10, 2009, 07:11:43 PM
I have never done much with fiber glass. Keep the pictures and info coming. Did you make the molds?
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 10, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
I have never done much with fiber glass. Keep the pictures and info coming. Did you make the molds?

No i did not, they originally came from Drakart, they were transfered with the jigs etc to Hawk motorsports, then Livewire purchased the rights to build the car and all of the jigs etc... This is for the formula cross only...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: 405dentech on January 10, 2009, 10:04:51 PM
Glassing takes some serious skill to do RIGHT. Looks great Bug. ;D
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 10, 2009, 10:06:34 PM
It doesn't take any skill to fxxk it up tho....  ;D I have threw away a few pieces, fortunately nothing big.... ;D
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: 405dentech on January 10, 2009, 10:12:09 PM
Don't over activate it and give it plenty of time to cure before painting. It will be more flexible and keep the chances of cracking to a minimum. ;)
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: SPEC on January 11, 2009, 04:18:38 AM
I wish Bug had stuck with the hot rods ;D
That was some really cool f-glass stuff :o
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 12, 2009, 06:32:25 PM
And the finished product...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 12, 2009, 06:33:42 PM
I wish Bug had stuck with the hot rods ;D
That was some really cool f-glass stuff :o

This
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Engineer on January 12, 2009, 06:39:40 PM
Good job Bug!!  Parts look nice.

I hate fiberglass......  makes me itch just thinking about it.  Actually the wet part isn't so bad, it's when it turns into razor blades and needles.  :P :P :P
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: 405dentech on January 12, 2009, 07:30:26 PM
Well..................................... I feel like a dipshit. I thought it was the first time you had glassed anything. Sorry Bug. :-[
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: 405dentech on January 12, 2009, 07:30:50 PM
Looks great by the way.
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 12, 2009, 07:37:38 PM
Well..................................... I feel like a dipshit. I thought it was the first time you had glassed anything. Sorry Bug. :-[

Feel Like?  gg: gg:
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Yummi on January 12, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Well..................................... I feel like a dipshit. I thought it was the first time you had glassed anything. Sorry Bug. :-[

+1 - you are a dip.... wait wait wait - no need to go there. 

You gave good input on a thread re: fiberglass -  Pea brains like me can soak it all in even if Bug is way advanced.  Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 12, 2009, 07:52:28 PM
Not way advanced by any means, hell i learned old school and I do it this way currently... Far from advanced, maybe between Novice and kinda novice... ;D
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: 405dentech on January 12, 2009, 08:46:53 PM
+1 - you are a dip.... wait wait wait - no need to go there. 

You gave good input on a thread re: fiberglass -  Pea brains like me can soak it all in even if Bug is way advanced.  Thanks for the input.
That's too funny +1 huh motherfxxker.
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 15, 2009, 07:08:02 PM
This is what i call a foam plug.... This is excellent hand work right here....

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Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: SPEC on January 16, 2009, 04:37:40 AM
That is BAD ASS
When is it going into production?
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Dunebound69 on January 16, 2009, 09:10:33 AM
That's killer!
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: BDKW1 on January 16, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
I fricken hate fiberglass! But for some reason, I find Myself doing this.

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Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 16, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
That is BAD ASS
When is it going into production?

Not mine, some guy on the fiberglass forum, he is just building the plug for something to do, and may mold it eventually...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: fabr on January 16, 2009, 08:31:24 PM
WHat it? That's 2 killer  plugs!
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Doug Heim on January 16, 2009, 08:47:18 PM
Awesome work. Bug do you use a chop gun?

Reminds me of the days working at Carver Yachts back in the day.
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 16, 2009, 09:03:18 PM
Awesome work. Bug do you use a chop gun?

Reminds me of the days working at Carver Yachts back in the day.

Nope, Oldschool, layit and roll it.... I may get a chop gun someday, but not anytime soon...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: trojan on January 16, 2009, 10:50:11 PM
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: fabr on January 17, 2009, 06:18:54 AM
FG mat or cloth?
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 17, 2009, 06:37:42 AM
FG mat or cloth?

Mat only, cloth is to hard to fxxk with.... It is fine for laminating foam and stuff in boat hulls but cloth will print thru to the outside when against gelcoat......
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: BDKW1 on January 17, 2009, 02:45:51 PM
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 17, 2009, 02:51:00 PM
Yeah, I've been using 3OZ mat for this job. I tried a top layer of heavy cloth the other weekend....... I won't be doing that on anything with corners agian.

I prefer 1.5oz mat in layers, wets out fast and lays corners nicely...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: odypilots on January 30, 2009, 03:12:57 PM
Boy, did I get an education today. Bug's been making an airbox for our buggies, and a couple of days ago said he needed to take a break from sanding on the plug. So I say I'll come out a sand on it for a while. How hard can it be. Pretty damn hard, it turns out! Bondo, sand, bondo, sand, oh shit, sanded through the bondo, more bondo, sand, not smooth, more bondo, sand.

Now, being a rookie, Bug was real patient, and after awhile, it was clear why he needed a break from it. I hope the glassing goes smoother than making the plug!
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: Admin on January 31, 2009, 05:27:18 PM
Well a few more hours of finish sanding and i will be fiberglassing the air box... sand, prime, sand, fill, prime, about 40 times, lol...
Title: Re: Fiberglassing
Post by: magnum4598 on April 02, 2009, 09:58:19 PM
have you heard of air craft dacron it comes in diffrent thicknesses and if you apply heat to it ....it shrinks
and draws up tight you just have to glue it down i am going to give it a shot for body panels
it should wet out nice and be strong
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