Wow sorry Guys that one got away on me, caught knapping there, thanks Artie for helping me out there, and you're right Artie it is getting harder to find a nice quite spot these days! And no Masterfabr I haven't had the pleasure of skiing, I always wanted to though just never got around to it, and not too long ago I hit by a drunk driver while attending a fatal accident, stuffed my legs, they didn't think I'd walk again but I have a go.. Oh and I'm still alive and any day above ground is a good one! Thanks Engineer, I think Artie has answered all questions pretty well..