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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => Motor and Drivetrain => Topic started by: fabr on December 03, 2018, 08:08:14 PM
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https://youtu.be/XEPJo1FN32k
https://youtu.be/BcOmb8Ckb0o
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well i'll have to test a jug of e85 and see if it matches my sensor. i never knew what the water content might do but never guessed it would real higher ethy content. itns funny cause i did notice that once. fuel that was in my rail for the winter gained 5% ethy . at the dunes i go through 20 to 30 gals per trip.
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Wow, so the flex sensors are not accurate if water present. Easy way to toast a piston or 2.
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a guy needs a water in tank sensor too lol so ya one needs to test each batch of fuel ( i have a 30 gal fuel toter) then you'll know if it gets water in it as you use it, i guess.
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Wow, so the flex sensors are not accurate if water present. Easy way to toast a piston or 2.
That's what the guy was getting at for sure. I had always heard that flex fuel sensors were a bit of a liar but these vids really demonstrate why.
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a guy needs a water in tank sensor too lol so ya one needs to test each batch of fuel ( i have a 30 gal fuel toter) then you'll know if it gets water in it as you use it, i guess.
Honestly,I wonder if that is why so much pump e85 tests out at 85 or even more. Not really e85 but rather water logged e??
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FWIW,that is why I bought anhydrous e98 to blend my own e85. ANhydrous e98 is as close to zero h2o as is commercially available. GOing to test my drum of blended e85 to see if/how much water has been absorbed through the poly drum in about 8 months. Then I will test the e85 sitting in my PEX lined aluminum car tank. They should both be the same and the same as when blended but.............?? The next question is whether or not the one full drum of anhydrous e98 is still 98. I'm looking for a new source of drums of anhydrous e98 since Glacial Plains will not ship outside Minnesota any more.
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so i watched the video's again. where the 1st is informative the second really speaks a lot. so in the 2nd video he tries a few diff configurations of water to ethy blends. he tried 50/50% and then basically 30/70% water to ethy blend. interesting enough the flex sensor still seems to read e100. so you would have to have quite a bit of water contamination to read e100. this is actually very good info to know for if ones gauge ever was to read e100 when we know it is not. the test with the beaker is still the best of course. now i would like to see how much water added starts to effect the reading even by a 1 point raise?? i say this as i noticed this my rail sat for 3 months with some higher humidity days that my flex sensor read e81 before and e85 3 months later. it sat with maybe 2 gallons in an 11 gal tank. once i added another 5 gallons it went right back to e81 and stayed there.
interesting video
https://youtu.be/HLG60RrOK_8
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this is part 1 to the 2nd one fabr posted. this explains why the guy is testing the sensors.
https://youtu.be/8DZhLjwsWVY
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I believe the test tube/beaker/baby bottle method is only ball park actually with something like a 5% error range. Assuming you don't have water saturated alky the flex fuel sensors are quite accurate at measuring the water content of alky and calculating from that the alky content. Add to that the fact that e85 can actually dissolve a large amount of water in it,something like 5 oz per gallon you can actually run quite lean due to the water content of the alky fooling the flex sensor. Yes,your 81 gaining 4 percent while in storage was water gain ,not alky.
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I believe the test tube/beaker/baby bottle method is only ball park actually with something like a 5% error range. Assuming you don't have water saturated alky the flex fuel sensors are quite accurate at measuring the water content of alky and calculating from that the alky content. Add to that the fact that e85 can actually dissolve a large amount of water in it,something like 5 oz per gallon you can actually run quite lean due to the water content of the alky fooling the flex sensor. Yes,your 81 gaining 4 percent while in storage was water gain ,not alky.
i believe so too but it would be interesting to know at what rate that sensor starts climbing. i guess that would need to be a test on my own. good info either way for sure!! nice find
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Let us know the result.
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Been reading all I can on e98 shelf life compared to e85 shelf life and e85 with even small quantities dissolved/absorbed water shelf life. and there's just no really defined answers other than very short shelf life of water contaminated eXX. It's not the alky goes bad , it's the gas component. Anhydrous e98 has an almost indefinite storage life.
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since my gauge on my dash displays ethy % i look to see the change with every fill up. i will have to start tube testing it to see for sure. should be interesting. the part 1 to that 2nd video you posted said something interesting about temp having an effect on ethy %...... hadn't heard that before hmmmm wonder if that is a direct use in production or what?
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Been reading all I can on e98 shelf life compared to e85 shelf life and e85 with even small quantities dissolved/absorbed water shelf life. and there's just no really defined answers other than very short shelf life of water contaminated eXX. It's not the alky goes bad , it's the gas component. Anhydrous e98 has an almost indefinite storage life.
did not know that. are there any location in nebraska to get anhydrous e98?
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since my gauge on my dash displays ethy % i look to see the change with every fill up. i will have to start tube testing it to see for sure. should be interesting. the part 1 to that 2nd video you posted said something interesting about temp having an effect on ethy %...... hadn't heard that before hmmmm wonder if that is a direct use in production or what?
I think it referred to temp being a factor in how much condensation is available to introduce liquid water into the alky due to condensation.
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Been reading all I can on e98 shelf life compared to e85 shelf life and e85 with even small quantities dissolved/absorbed water shelf life. and there's just no really defined answers other than very short shelf life of water contaminated eXX. It's not the alky goes bad , it's the gas component. Anhydrous e98 has an almost indefinite storage life.
did not know that. are there any location in nebraska to get anhydrous e98?
You tell me. It's a LOT closer than Minnesota! lol
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how far is Leoti, Kansas or Liberal, Kansas from you?
https://e98racing.com/web/?page_id=11
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7 and 6 hours / are there distillers there that sell to the public now?
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according to the e85 fuel map......conoco in alva sells it but not sure how accurate that is. Address: 518 Oklahoma Blvd, Alva, OK 73717
Phone: (580) 327-2691
also says on cue express just north of waynoka does too...... On Cue Express
ADDRESS
32744 State Highway 45 Waynoka OK 73860-5001 (405) 372-3579
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7 and 6 hours / are there distillers there that sell to the public now?
not sure it's on that list and says to tell you them your a racer that uses e85.
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I don't think any sell to the public. Couple years ago none of those did anyway.
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Date
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24 Jun 2018 anonymous Completly gone - disassembled
16 Mar 2018 anonymous STATION is totally GONE . . . all equipment PULLED. Cheasepeake killed the station per disc I had with City employee.
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i could see there were comments but could not read them. well that answers that question. the conoco is still there in alva and also saw 4 or 5 stations in enid sell it too.
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maybe not the most scientific but interesting to watch.
https://youtu.be/vtz9367lCpQ
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i could see there were comments but could not read them. well that answers that question. the conoco is still there in alva and also saw 4 or 5 stations in enid sell it too.
I do not want to buy pump e85 if at all possible. I want to buy e98 from a distributor in sealed drums like I got from Glacial Plains. There has to be a source closer than there but if I have to I will make the drive. Last resort I will just go back to $$ race gas if I cannot get drums of anhydrous E98 to blend my own e85.
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is that glacial plains place up in benson?
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yes,11 hour drive 1 way for me. They do not now ship out of state due to some taxing BS. This is from the website,I have not called them directly. I just found out a couple months ago and had decided to just do pump e85 from the stations fast suggested but now that I am reading more on it I have gotten gun shy of pump e85.
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maybe not the most scientific but interesting to watch.
https://youtu.be/vtz9367lCpQ
very interesting for sure
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well i can say i havent had any issues with pump e85. now having said that i should include that i have been buying from one of the stations the state jcounty vehichles fill up from. i know those tanks are constantly being filled. i also know they do have to test and post ethy level. its listed as e70 currently but it is winter here so no surprise there. when i buy fuel for the trip its 2 days before i depart , normally. so far 24 gals for a 3 day trip is pretty close. a 55 gal drum left down there , thinned to e70 would last prob 3 - 3day trips. so have considered asking a certain someone if i could park a barrell a year down at waynoka. so i called two of the refineries here in nebraska today. forget flint hills , your better off pissing in the wind than trying to get through there phone system. called the revenna neb plant. they informed me that sales for themselves and the other smaller plants go through a company in michigan and to cantact patrick there. makes no sense but i contacted patrick and explained the situation. he is going to call back but is searching for a plant in nebraska that i can buy anhydrous e98 direct from by the 55gal drum. we'll see what he says.........
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Cool.
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Today ,from my original supplier. DAMN!!
Good morning, at this time I am not able to sell any fuel to anyone without a
Minnesota address. I am working on a solution but running into roadblocks in every
state. If there comes a time when I can start to distribute again I will post it on
our website which is www.glacialplains.com.
Thank you,
Shaun Stottler
Energy Division Manager
Glacial Plains Coop
320-842-5311
www.glacialplains.com
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i have not heard back from patrick yet so i will be calling tomorrow.
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That was from the place in Benson you asked me about.
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i figured it was