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Title: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on May 29, 2018, 06:22:30 AM
Ok its not dead. 2nd gear let out a big poop. it still engages and works. if I stand on it, she lets out a hell of a squeal. this tells me its spinning on the shaft.  I'm thanking its time to learn how to fix them. if I remember right 2nd is pressed on the 1st gear shaft then welded to first. my thought is the weld broke. the big question what it going to take to fix it? I'm thanking  a new 1st gear shaft and 2nd gear. Who is the go to guy for Questions on DTS. I have a few dead 091 laying in the shop. thought I would start by opening one of them up. just to take a look at it.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 07:08:30 AM
I've had mine apart ,have everything needed to disassemble and reassemble,but I also have forgotten all I knew.LOL  I can get you a pic of what you need to do to mod a case to set up the trans . You will need a special pinion nut socket .
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 07:41:29 AM
You will need a modded case and these special tools to do it right.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 07:44:27 AM
http://www.longenterprises.com/parts_list/partslist_2700.html  is going out of business . They have a LOT of stuff you may need at discounted prices. They are very nice people and were very helpful when I did mine. They have some very useful info on their site as well.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 07:54:10 AM
I would suggest it well worth the cost to get their CD instruction manual. Very useful.  http://www.longenterprises.com/Rebuilders_course_photo_gallery/index.htm
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on May 29, 2018, 08:26:12 AM
I have sent them a e-mail. let the fun begin. Fab, pitcher of the jig case would be great. I have two dead transaxles I can play with to get the fell for it.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on May 29, 2018, 09:37:53 AM
well that sucks but bound to happen.! now you will get to see how much of that trans was actually built in weddle racing gears lol  fabr and fast are the 2 to ask on those trans. transman too but he hasnt been on here in years.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on May 29, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
I know it was a time bomb. I thank, I got 7 to 8 years out of it. so I'm not complaining. As always I new better. I tried to down shift going up hill and stabbed 2nd gear. pop, boom, bang,  :m :m :m :nw :nw :nw
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 01:12:53 PM
I have sent them a e-mail. let the fun begin. Fab, pitcher of the jig case would be great. I have two dead transaxles I can play with to get the fell for it.
I'll try not to forget to snap some tonite.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on May 29, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
I know it was a time bomb. I thank, I got 7 to 8 years out of it. so I'm not complaining. As always I new better. I tried to down shift going up hill and stabbed 2nd gear. pop, boom, bang,  :m :m :m :nw :nw :nw
                                                         tried not to down shift huh  ;D :m while climbing hill :m :m   are you sure you tried not to  rofl rofl
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 05:17:48 PM
Just like a steer. He tried but it didn't work. ;) ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 29, 2018, 08:02:39 PM
Here you go dave.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on May 30, 2018, 06:55:22 AM
Cool Fab. that looks easy enough to make. I Have not heard back from longenterprises. but with the holiday I will give them a few days.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on May 30, 2018, 09:35:05 AM
They have been in biz for a very long time and are retiring. Hopefully they will respond but if not I'd give them a call. That rebuilders CD is very useful.  I'd just send you mine if I could find it.  5:
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on June 04, 2018, 01:36:04 PM
more news. after my trans. let out the pop, boom, bang, I just drove it back and loaded it up in the trailer. closed the door and walked away. . counted to ten. bang my head on the wall thumb down......... well,,,,, I tried to back the car out of the trailer. guess what, its reverse that went out. . this makes more since then second. best I can tell, I down shifted and hit reverse. .I've ordered the CD to school myself. let the fun begin.    5: 5: 5: 5: 5: 5:
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on June 04, 2018, 02:31:11 PM
The reverse requires no special tools or anything. Just mark a side adjuster position,loosen it a turn at most to remove bearing preload ,remove bellhousing,remove broken reverse(no special tools needed),place new gear on shaft,replace snap ring,replace bellhousing,tighten side adjuster to the marked position and you are done.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on June 04, 2018, 04:09:23 PM
Thanks for the info. Fab. sounds easy enough. I plan on taking the motor and trans out this weekend. I sure hope it's a fast fix. this is the time to be playing not working on it.  I will bring a junk one in the shop tonight and pull it apart just to get a feel for it.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on June 04, 2018, 08:54:41 PM
Oops,brain fade. You will need to remove the diff after removing the bell housing to get the reverse gear off. No biggie though.Just reinstall it after replacing the rev gear. Red arrow points to the easily broken reverse gear that usually is what breaks.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on June 05, 2018, 06:37:06 AM
Cool Thanks Fab. looks like a simple enough job.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on June 05, 2018, 10:16:30 AM
that would be great if you didnt have to pull the gear stack!  but since you have the tools and how to cd....might as well rebuild one of those used ones you have laying around for the experience!
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on June 05, 2018, 04:16:04 PM
Your right about that DS. the plane was,,,, this summer play!!Then  this coming winter start building the old Baja. My old turbo Vw motor is just begging  to be put in something . I had planed on buying a trans. but,, I have started down this road, may as well put it to good use  and build it myself.
 
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on July 30, 2018, 07:00:09 AM
hows the rebuild going?
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on July 30, 2018, 08:24:33 AM
Got a lot done this weekend. cut down old case to make jig. replaced the bad reverse gears. got the shift forks set and tig in place. next step set it back in my case and set up the diff. going smooth so far.


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Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on July 30, 2018, 09:34:24 AM
very nice! that extra case you hd worked well for a jig! so i know that was a bills transaxle build. what extra things did he do over stock?
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on July 30, 2018, 10:20:45 AM
the two things I see that looks like thy added was a bearing retainer on the main pinon bearing. and he tigs the shift forks in place, after adjusting them. I will get some pics of the bearing retainer tonight it could be factory. but it sure looks like it has been machined out. 
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on July 30, 2018, 10:24:14 AM
what are you setting r&p gap too?  i know shane wound up setting mine at .004.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on July 30, 2018, 10:51:18 AM
to be honest I'm not that far yet. hope to get their this weekend. !'m a stepper. step by step.  :m :m :m :m
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on July 30, 2018, 09:38:28 PM
Az Transaxle set me up with a cut case. It was cut on both sides like that. 
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on July 30, 2018, 09:39:29 PM
Ya,post a pic of the retainer .
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on July 31, 2018, 07:27:04 AM
This is the retainer I was talking about. it could be a thrust bearing insert as well.

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Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: sandvw on August 01, 2018, 10:39:16 PM
That is a sleeve for the piñon bearing. What happens is the hole gets egged out from the thrust. So to save the case you bore the hole out and put a sleeve in it. When putting the bearing back in you need to heat the sleeve and use a press to make sure it goes in all the way.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on August 02, 2018, 03:49:03 PM
That is a sleeve for the piñon bearing. What happens is the hole gets egged out from the thrust. So to save the case you bore the hole out and put a sleeve in it. When putting the bearing back in you need to heat the sleeve and use a press to make sure it goes in all the way.
thanks Dan. I thought it looked like a race that was replaceable. for the pinon bearing to set in. I hope to finish putting it back together tomorrow.  If I hit a problem I have you number. It was good talking to you the other night Thanks for all the Tips
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on August 02, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
I knew Dan could/would help you. He knows the stuff. Thanks for posting up ,Dan!
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on September 05, 2018, 07:55:15 AM
big xave hows the trans rebuild?????
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 05, 2018, 10:33:43 AM
got it back together. car is back together. my odyssey battery took a poop. dam thing is not even a year old. other then that. I thank I'm good to go. Does not look like I will make the fall trip. my plant outage Is coming to an end on oct 27 and I have to over see some contractors. that week.  all a great butch of guy. I hate to miss it.  spring run. I will be there.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on September 05, 2018, 12:55:52 PM
stop it.....you can make it
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 05, 2018, 03:49:19 PM
I sure wish I could. if it was one week later.  I would be there. I will have these guy on sight repairing a feed water heater for 13 days straight 10 hr. days. 160 k job.   Someone has to keep them moving forward. Drowning Drowning Drowning  plaint has to be back on line oct. 29. people need power.  :m
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on September 05, 2018, 08:21:03 PM
Come down Sept 17-21 and meet up then. I'll be there a couple days during the week sometime.  2-3 others we have met up with as well.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 06, 2018, 06:32:08 AM
Come down Sept 17-21 and meet up then. I'll be there a couple days during the week sometime.  2-3 others we have met up with as well.
Thanks for the invite Fabr. the problem I have, that week is the outage start   on sept 23. 5 weeks of  outage if you do the math. lol so the week before (sept. 17-21) I have equipment  and  crews showing up  for safety orientation and staging. Always something. to be honesty I've had more time in my rock buggy this summer then the sand car. That needs to change!!!
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on September 06, 2018, 07:49:46 AM
Same invite goes out to any others as well. We'll meet up in the spring.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Put the sand car in the not so dry river bed this weekend. transaxle's sounds and worked great Love it when a plain works.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on September 10, 2018, 02:53:22 PM
Great to hear! Now dry that river the eff up. 5: ;D ;D
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 10, 2018, 03:21:11 PM
I hear that. for years it never ran. went over it coming to work and it was dry. came back over it at lunch running aging. could be dry this time next week. lol the water shed distract need to give me a call and ask if its ok to turn the water on.  LMAO
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on September 10, 2018, 05:09:55 PM
What's changed to make it run now? I thought we were in a drought?
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on September 11, 2018, 06:25:54 AM
What's changed to make it run now? I thought we were in a drought?
its all about what happens in Colorado. they have had flooding.   we have had a uncommon amount of rain out hear. so the farms have not been using it  to water the fields. 
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on September 11, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
dammit.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on October 15, 2018, 04:01:13 PM
just a update 091 one has been back in the car and working well. love it when a plan comes together.
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on October 15, 2018, 04:40:53 PM
good to hear and i figured you would get it! now show up and prove it  ;D ;) rofl
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: fabr on October 15, 2018, 05:09:59 PM
^^^ Ya,what he said. ;)
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: big dave on October 16, 2018, 06:04:34 AM
oh its killing me not to make this trip.  .
Title: Re: 091, SAID NO MORE. !!!
Post by: dsrace on October 17, 2018, 07:03:29 AM
then show up  ;D ;D rofl rofl
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