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Title: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on January 31, 2021, 11:11:00 AM
This stuff showed up at my door. I am not sure what to do with them? Google search just shows "boost", then leads to "closed deck".
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on January 31, 2021, 11:29:44 AM
very nice indeed!!





so is the new frame for the 2d next winter??  ;)  ;D ;D :nw
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Post by: budlight69 on January 31, 2021, 01:32:17 PM
ohhh, Very nice.  My next project for the buggy, if I ever get done with the dang basement project
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on January 31, 2021, 08:23:01 PM
Kewl!!!!!!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on February 19, 2021, 06:23:00 PM
Getting close to the closed deck. Cases should be going to get bored, honed, and decked soon. Valvetrain and new turbo on their way.
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on February 19, 2021, 07:23:28 PM
That'll damn sure stabilize those bores. Did you make the filler plates?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on February 19, 2021, 07:47:56 PM
Yes. I machined the profile into the cases, then made matching inserts which are pressed in. They are .39 thick.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on February 19, 2021, 08:11:08 PM
This is prior to inserts.
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 05:23:25 AM
very nice work indeed.
so what are you getting for the new turbo?
 is the old one shot?
i know it was an ebay china turbo and was so as they are a cheap way to figure out what will work best for your application. i know they dont have the life expectancy but they do serve a purpose.
 
did you get the fuel system flushed ? 


MORE BOOST  ;D ya know......for 3rd gear wheelies  :m   
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on February 20, 2021, 06:32:19 AM
This is prior to inserts.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXfjX36b/20210128-164901.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXfjX36b)
Well done.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on February 20, 2021, 08:08:20 AM
This current turbo is probably still fine, but I am upgrading since everything else is new. I have been working with Ecotech Imports from Ks City, MO on the turbo and other parts. They have experience with building and racing these motors, and seem to understand this thing we call "sand duning"! We had decided on a IHI VF48, but I got a text last night saying he was sending a VF30 V7. He was already gone for the day, so I will get an explanation later. I still need to get more E85 and run through my current system, since I have modified the fuel tank.

3rd gear wheelies? Why not shoot for 5th gear wheelies?!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 08:26:48 AM
This current turbo is probably still fine, but I am upgrading since everything else is new. I have been working with Ecotech Imports from Ks City, MO on the turbo and other parts. They have experience with building and racing these motors, and seem to understand this thing we call "sand duning"! We had decided on a IHI VF48, but I got a text last night saying he was sending a VF30 V7. He was already gone for the day, so I will get an explanation later. I still need to get more E85 and run through my current system, since I have modified the fuel tank.

3rd gear wheelies? Why not shoot for 5th gear wheelies?!

now that's what i'm talking about  ;D

the ihi series turbo's are smaller like the stock ihi i was going to give you off the stock 87-88 ford thunderbird.  would be interesting to know the comp and turbine wheel sizes.  did they say if these turbo's will breathe on the top end or are low end spooling turbo's and just make heat over say 5500 rpm?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 08:49:49 AM
the reason i ask about comp/turbine sizes is based on my experimentation on my motor. i know there different but very close in displacement. my head is a large dia 2 valve which may not flow as well as a quad valve.  the turbonetics to4e stage 3 ex was 53.89x76.2  COMP and 56.56x64.89  .63 a/r and that was pretty much a upper midrange to high end spooling turbo. the stock garret turbo off the 84 to 86 mustang is the sizes i called out for that ebay turbo you went with. i do not have that info infront of me right now but the comp was like 52x60 with a .48 or .63 a/r exh option. .63 was the choice for over 5500 rpm but .48 spooled slightly lower.  the larger dia wheels have slower spool rates ( higher rpm). as enemy says it's turbo voodoo lol but # of blades as well as a slight tweak in pich as well as extended tip all play a role. those turbo's don't spool as low in the rpm as the 87/88 turbo coupe ihi series but breath better at higher rpms. i'm sure those guys know the suby turbo's very well. just make sure there not putting a turbo on that works well on the street as it will not spool low in the rpms for sand. the hybrid holset turbo i went with first was awesome for the street guys but a light switch in the sand. it was all mid to top end boost and came in hard and fast but no bottom end boost. the turbonetics was a more linear charge but again more mid and top end which doesn't work for myself in the sand. the efr 6758 dual bb turbo was very expensive but covers all 3 ranges very very well! if i would've bought it in the first place i would've saved money  ;D we don't even want to get into the 3 different exhaust systems i built for all 3! i listened to the ford guys and turbo builder just to find out there idea of an amazing turbo is on the 2 step on the drag strip!  the holset, turbonetics were journal bearing where the efr is dual ball bearing. the dual bb spool much lower in the rpm bank compared to the journal bearing style. the efr is a whole different level unto itself though.

before you choose ask them at what rpm the turbo's light. if they say comes in great around 2k rpm then that's a mid and high range turbo.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 09:00:23 AM
i do understand flow plays a large roll in driving the turbo. that's why i said my dual valve head doesn't flow as well as a quad valve but my head does or did flow 210 cfm bo ports flow bench. that's what he rates the stage 3 heads at which is a huge improvement over the stock 150 cfm for sure. a sealed exh manifold really helps too  rofl rofl  i do need to address that before the trip!


https://www.i-club.com/forums/norcal-classifieds-96/fs-jdm-v7-sti-vf30-turbo-blown-266221/
IHI VF30
(460cfm at 18psi, 250-325whp, Bolt-On)

This is the standard equipment turbocharger used on the JDM V7 Subaru Impreza WRX STi (2002-2003 - bug-eye). The VF30 is a thrust-bearing turbo that utilizes the P18 exhaust housing of a VF24 and the compressor housing sized between a VF23 and a VF22. Expect to achieve full boost with the proper mods and a quality tune between 3000-3500rpms.

for comparison the one you have been running is close to the 83 to 86 but i believe you have the .48 exh so full boost should be closer to 2200 rpm.

https://www.stinger-performance.com/faq.html
-Stock (87-88 Turbo Coupe) Ishi-Warner IHI: Less than 250 rwhp, super quick spooling (full boost at 1800-2300 rpm with a few airflow mods) but runs out of steam at higher engine speeds. Great for heavy cars or daily drivers. Good to 18psi or so.

-Stock (83-86 Mustang/Turbo Coupe, 84-89 Merkur) Garrett/AiResearch T3: Up to about 275 rwhp. Full boost at 2500-3000 rpm or so with a few airflow mods, pulls pretty well up top. Has a very hard "kick" when boost kicks in. Great for a daily driver/street terror with minor mods. Good to 23 psi or so if you've got enough fuel, octane, intercooling, etc. to safely run that much.

-T3/T4 Hybrid T04E 46 trim compressor/Stage III exhaust side with .48 a/r for street cars, .63 a/r for street/strip. Great for engines in the 250-350rwhp range. Full boost at 3000-3300 rpm or so with a header and supporting mods. Nice linear power throughout rpm range. Great for street/strip cars in the 12-13 second 1/4 mile range. Good to 25psi or so.

-T3/T4 Hybrid T04E 50 trim compressor/Stage III exhaust side with .48 a/r for street cars, .63 a/r for street/strip: Great for engines in the 300-410 rwhp range. Full boost at 3300-3500 rpm or so with supporting mods. Nice linear power throughout rpm range. Great for street/strip cars in the 11-12 second 1/4 mile range. Good to 35psi or so (if your tune and engine can handle it).
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on February 20, 2021, 10:04:39 AM
I need to contact him and get my information organized before I speak more. You know I get confused real easy!!!! The numbers, ooooohhh the numbers!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on February 20, 2021, 03:29:46 PM
Getting close to the closed deck. Cases should be going to get bored, honed, and decked soon. Valvetrain and new turbo on their way.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zL7tdBXM/20210219-184317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zL7tdBXM)

That is so cool.  I would not trust myself to do that.  How did you do it?  If I had a guess, you had cnc program that milled the block, then used that same program with an offset to make the filler pieces?  Please explain, thanks!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 03:35:54 PM
I need to contact him and get my information organized before I speak more. You know I get confused real easy!!!! The numbers, ooooohhh the numbers!

 ;D   those look like stock turbo's with maybe a upgraded compressor wheel. don't need to get your info organized before speaking , just something to consider before deciding is all.

Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on February 20, 2021, 03:36:34 PM
Getting close to the closed deck. Cases should be going to get bored, honed, and decked soon. Valvetrain and new turbo on their way.
(https://i.postimg.cc/zL7tdBXM/20210219-184317.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zL7tdBXM)

That is so cool.  I would not trust myself to do that.  How did you do it?  If I had a guess, you had cnc program that milled the block, then used that same program with an offset to make the filler pieces?  Please explain, thanks!!!!!!!!!!

/\ /\ what he said  :D
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on February 21, 2021, 06:48:41 PM
That's how I would do it. Then would bore/hone to final bore size.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: big dave on February 22, 2021, 09:38:35 AM
Very nice Work. looks like a great upgrade.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 15, 2021, 01:18:08 PM
Arashi Dynamics GTX 2860 Gen ll. It sure looks cool!
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on March 15, 2021, 07:28:00 PM
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on March 16, 2021, 11:57:11 AM
What boost and HP are you shooting for?  Are you running E85? 
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 16, 2021, 01:08:35 PM
What boost and HP are you shooting for?  Are you running E85?
300 crank hp, and 15psi boost max. Won't need that much in the high rpm, but maybe in the middle. Now, when the Weddle shows up... oh wait, I wasn't going to go that far!! My brother and I might dune this weekend if you want to play. Yes, E85.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 17, 2021, 08:35:26 AM
What boost and HP are you shooting for?  Are you running E85?
300 crank hp, and 15psi boost max. Won't need that much in the high rpm, but maybe in the middle. Now, when the Weddle shows up... oh wait, I wasn't going to go that far!! My brother and I might dune this weekend if you want to play. Yes, E85.
   

personally...... i would see how much that stock trans will hold at LS before the new frame and 2d trans :D  i say new frame as you said you will not mod that frame for a diff trans...... so that means new frame  :nw LMAO 
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 17, 2021, 08:37:12 AM
what are the specs on the turbo???? come on, you knew i would ask!   ;) ;D :m
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 17, 2021, 01:15:42 PM
what are the specs on the turbo???? come on, you knew i would ask!   ;) ;D :m
I am going to send you a link tonight.  Just been pre occupied lately.  Chose this one for several reasons, one of which is a collection of  your advice and information. I am learning the basics! Still waiting for my cases to get bored so I can start assembly. Not only does big(ger) hp mean tranny, but also suspension, heims, bolts, steering, and so on. I think I will stop before that point! I can quit anytime I want...
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 17, 2021, 03:45:52 PM
what are the specs on the turbo???? come on, you knew i would ask!   ;) ;D :m
I am going to send you a link tonight.  Just been pre occupied lately.  Chose this one for several reasons, one of which is a collection of  your advice and information. I am learning the basics! Still waiting for my cases to get bored so I can start assembly. Not only does big(ger) hp mean tranny, but also suspension, heims, bolts, steering, and so on. I think I will stop before that point! I can quit anytime I want...

the first step in the 12 step program is to admit the problem  LMAO LMAO LMAO thats not admitting you have a problem  :m :nw rofl rofl rofl

i blame budlight for you addiction.... he's a bad influence  ;)

i would like to blame him for my addiction but that's enemy's fault!    :m :m
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 17, 2021, 06:02:06 PM
I seem to recall a phone call I made to some guy in Nebraska a few years ago. I was whining about not enough power to pull 3rd gear. He made the comment "Why don't you turbocharge it"?  Hmmmm, who was that!!? I haven't slept well since and have no money.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on March 17, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
 :m :m :m
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 11:50:13 AM
here is the turbo you bought brian..... https://arashidynamics.com/products/2860-t25-5-bolts-0-57-a-r-1
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 11:50:59 AM
based on the specs and the fact that it's dual bb!! this will spool insanely fast! low in the rpm boost for sure
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 18, 2021, 02:07:13 PM
I seem to recall a phone call I made to some guy in Nebraska a few years ago. I was whining about not enough power to pull 3rd gear. He made the comment "Why don't you turbocharge it"?  Hmmmm, who was that!!? I haven't slept well since and have no money.

true but i still blame budlight  ;D  it just sounds right on a couple of diff fronts  :m :m
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on March 19, 2021, 01:34:45 PM

Well I tell you what, BrianN is going head first down the old rabbit hole.  There is no looking back now, just enjoy it, have fun, stay young and tell the Mad Hatter hi when you see him. 

No worries, I can take it.  This has got me just itching to get a closed deck block and other internals.  Now that all my other BS projects are finally done (basement, bath tub to shower, raised the concrete shop floor) hmmm. 
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 19, 2021, 05:03:46 PM
nice work budlight
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Post by: fabr on March 19, 2021, 06:55:51 PM
Ditto!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 22, 2021, 10:05:49 AM
budlight is that a basement kitchen?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on March 22, 2021, 12:35:38 PM
Just a bar with sink, fridge and microwave. 

BrianN, sorry, I didn't mean to derail your engine thread.  Are you going to cc the heads?  Check for piston deck height, calculate compression and valve clearance? 
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 22, 2021, 05:54:51 PM
Just a bar with sink, fridge and microwave. 

BrianN, sorry, I didn't mean to derail your engine thread.  Are you going to cc the heads?  Check for piston deck height, calculate compression and valve clearance?
SOHC heads only have 2 cc's(not much difference in them, not sure which mine are), deck height should be from .005-.015(I  think that is what John said, I will measure when new parts get here-wrong wrist pins were sent), I am not smart enough to figure compression, but it is supposed to be from 8.1:1 to 8.5:1. I have no idea about valve clearance, but I don't care about that as long as they don't hit anything!!
Just for a reference,  what are these specs in your motor?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on March 23, 2021, 01:09:00 PM
My original engine was a JDM EJ25 that had about 10:1 compression ratio.  I wanted to run pump gas so I got an STI short block that lowered it down to about 8.2:1.  I can't find my sheet that had those calculations on it.  My heads were about 58cc if I remember right.  I am hoping that I can up the compression ratio when I build my next motor since I run race fuel now.  I think it would give me better bottom end power until the turbo kicks in.  Here are a few videos on how to measure and calculate your compression ratio.  I don't have a fancy chemist's burette but just borrowed a friends large syringe. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqAr4DUqEt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q83erQRAcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9io_DknQ3U

Keep the build pics updated!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 25, 2021, 08:18:37 PM
The correct wrist pins showed up today, thanks to Michael P.from Manley. Got some work done on my press mold for copper exhaust gaskets, and 1 piston connected to a rod! They make these pistons soooooo pretty, it's a shame to hide them in a block.
(https://i.postimg.cc/fkKrdvHy/20210325-202430.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/fkKrdvHy)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 26, 2021, 01:16:16 PM

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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on March 27, 2021, 06:20:36 AM
Nice work, I need a set of those! 
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Post by: fabr on March 27, 2021, 08:42:00 AM
Nice work!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 27, 2021, 09:09:34 AM
Nice work, I need a set of those!
Thanks ya'all.  I am lucky to be at a place where I have the ability to do (experiment)stuff like this. And Budlight, consider a set yours.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 27, 2021, 05:23:40 PM
Got a shortblock. And dsrace was right-budlight is a bad influence. He has me doing things like measuring the volume of the dish in my pistons and the deck height! 22 mL and .005-.006 by the way.
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 27, 2021, 09:17:01 PM
Well, now a delay in the long block. I guess they sent the wrong arp head studs. When bottomed out in the block, they are below the top of the head surface. But hey, I know the volume of the combustion chambers now! 51 mL. I will do some conversions and figure the compression ratio.
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 27, 2021, 11:36:54 PM
OK, according to my calculations, I have 9.0:1 compression. What do ya'll think about that? Too much? OK for methanol and lower boost? They sold me stock sti head gaskets that measure .021" thick. Should I check on thicker gaskets? Or run it?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 28, 2021, 06:06:48 AM
Got a shortblock. And dsrace was right-budlight is a bad influence. He has me doing things like measuring the volume of the dish in my pistons and the deck height! 22 mL and .005-.006 by the way.
(https://i.postimg.cc/gXfD2ZNy/20210327-181341.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/gXfD2ZNy)

(https://i.postimg.cc/VdwqZ1TN/20210327-140001.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/VdwqZ1TN)

 LMAO LMAO rofl rofl :m :m  yes he is.

damn fine work
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 28, 2021, 06:08:25 AM
OK, according to my calculations, I have 9.0:1 compression. What do ya'll think about that? Too much? OK for methanol and lower boost? They sold me stock sti head gaskets that measure .021" thick. Should I check on thicker gaskets? Or run it?

i run 30 psi or did run 30 psi on a 9:1 cr.  so i would say on e85 your more than safe at 20 psi with a good tune especially with forged rods and pistons. time for a 2d  ;D ;) :m
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 28, 2021, 06:08:54 AM
what is factory cr on a wrx or sti motor?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: big dave on March 29, 2021, 10:49:14 AM
i was running 10-1 one on my old Vw motor on vp110. 10 lb boost worked great. on e85 you should be fine at 9-1
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on March 29, 2021, 12:04:04 PM
i was running 10-1 one on my old Vw motor on vp110. 10 lb boost worked great. on e85 you should be fine at 9-1

i couldn't remember how much boost you ran. so is that turbo on the trike motor now?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: big dave on March 30, 2021, 10:53:00 AM
Yes.  its the one in the trike. But i have dropped it back to 8-1 and rebuilt it as a 2275. So i can put it on pump gas.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on March 31, 2021, 08:03:53 AM
OK, according to my calculations, I have 9.0:1 compression. What do ya'll think about that? Too much? OK for methanol and lower boost? They sold me stock sti head gaskets that measure .021" thick. Should I check on thicker gaskets? Or run it?
Just to verify,did youadd in the head gasket volume in your calcs?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 31, 2021, 09:12:22 AM
fabr,  I am glad you asked that. I figured this in the middle of the night,  in the house. I didn't have the actual gasket bore diameter,  so I added .030" to the cylinder bore and used that as my calculations for the head gasket volume. (I hope that makes sense in writing)I will check my figures again. Waiting on new head studs for final assembly,  now.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on March 31, 2021, 09:15:36 AM
And I wrote methanol in an earlier post. I meant ethanol. (E70)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 01, 2021, 03:43:02 PM
And I wrote methanol in an earlier post. I meant ethanol. (E70)

that's ok, we all know you've been using 70% meth and 30% boost, that's why i keep telling to show up for the thurs night meetings  :m  rofl  ;)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 13, 2021, 09:05:49 PM
Had a few delays in my progress, but still working on it. Should have the headers finished, valves adjusted, and turbo oil/coolant lines figured out this week. Missed my dyno timeframe, so I  won't be rushed to have it finished by the 27th.
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Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: big dave on April 14, 2021, 06:23:27 AM
starting to look like a runner. should be a land rock when installed.

Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on April 14, 2021, 06:34:46 AM
starting to look like a runner. should be a land rock rocket when installed.


Fixed it for ya! ;)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: big dave on April 14, 2021, 03:56:00 PM
thanks FAB. That is what i meant of course.  :m :m :m :m :m . No one has ever entered me in a grammar or sleeping bee that's for sure!!!!!!!  LMAO
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: budlight69 on April 14, 2021, 04:34:17 PM
I wondered what a land rock was  rofl  Good thing you have another motor running!  It is still in the buggy isn't it? 
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 14, 2021, 06:16:18 PM
Dave, what is a sleeping bee!? I thought maybe land rock was another name for boat anchor! Damn, we are all funny. HaaaHaaa. (That is me laughing out loud). Yes, the motor is still in the car. Yaaaay.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 15, 2021, 08:55:04 AM
i know despite all the set back and let downs from crap companies, this has been a steep learning curve. i am still surprised at how little aftermarket support there is for the suby motors. i say little support as there seem to be soooo many variations of that 2.5 engine.  none the less you will have a rock solid engine when your  done and you will know exactly whats inside the block! nice work
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on April 15, 2021, 10:45:15 AM
^^^^^^^Ditto!!!!















Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 15, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
Or ACTUALLY a boat anchor!
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 15, 2021, 12:01:40 PM
Or ACTUALLY a boat anchor!

i have more faith than that  ;)  it is a possibility  but a very slim one. 

you need to repeats some of your interactions with the "performance" suby companies around the camp fire in a couple weeks.  i will say that you def were a lot nicer then i would've been!!!!  especially that last crap hole company! 

of course out front motorsports didn't make it any easier. i am glad that the majority have had a good interaction with them. plenty of posts on line of those that haven't and that really is sad.

you def need to tell a few camp fire "performance suby company" stories  ;D rofl
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on April 15, 2021, 12:57:58 PM
Or ACTUALLY a boat anchor!

i have more faith than that  ;)  it is a possibility  but a very slim one. 

you need to repeats some of your interactions with the "performance" suby companies around the camp fire in a couple weeks.  i will say that you def were a lot nicer then i would've been!!!!  especially that last crap hole company! 

of course out front motorsports didn't make it any easier. i am glad that the majority have had a good interaction with them. plenty of posts on line of those that haven't and that really is sad.

you def need to tell a few camp fire "performance suby company" stories  ;D rofl
I want to hear his. I have a couple myself.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 15, 2021, 08:57:59 PM
Another set of headers done. The last time. I really mean it THIS time!
(https://i.postimg.cc/R3d9byMs/20210415-200051.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3d9byMs)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 16, 2021, 06:46:25 AM
Another set of headers done. The last time. I really mean it THIS time!
(https://i.postimg.cc/R3d9byMs/20210415-200051.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3d9byMs)

looks really good. by the end of this build, once tuned and bolted to a 2d  ;) you'll be like

(https://i.postimg.cc/Lgn48tZ8/731f91e6-d437-494f-8fe6-bae738fb0dc3-7954f5e9d181aa4078eb4a2554311303acce101d.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lgn48tZ8)
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 16, 2021, 07:34:33 PM
Now that is some funny stuff! I am still laughing at that picture. And, oh yeah, the 2d: remember,  I said I would never go that far. I have been attending meetings.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 17, 2021, 06:04:34 AM
 LMAO
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 17, 2021, 06:10:31 AM
Or ACTUALLY a boat anchor!

i have more faith than that  ;)  it is a possibility  but a very slim one. 

you need to repeats some of your interactions with the "performance" suby companies around the camp fire in a couple weeks.  i will say that you def were a lot nicer then i would've been!!!!  especially that last crap hole company! 

of course out front motorsports didn't make it any easier. i am glad that the majority have had a good interaction with them. plenty of posts on line of those that haven't and that really is sad.

you def need to tell a few camp fire "performance suby company" stories  ;D rofl
I want to hear his. I have a couple myself.

we all do  ;D
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: BrianN on April 17, 2021, 08:30:40 PM
Are any of you with BB turbos using a filter on the oil supply line? Only during engine break-in? Always? If so, what micron?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: dsrace on April 18, 2021, 08:08:52 AM
Are any of you with BB turbos using a filter on the oil supply line? Only during engine break-in? Always? If so, what micron?

couldn't hurt. my engine was broke in long before so i never even thought about it.
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on April 18, 2021, 09:26:00 AM
no,I don't see any reason to do so. The engine oil is already filtered. Maybe I'm wrong ?
Title: Re: What are these odd looking things?
Post by: fabr on April 18, 2021, 09:35:49 AM
Almost all debris from break in is from the cylinder walls that are honed and cleaned using old school methods. With todays machining and honing procedures and attention to proper cleaning coupled with the much better quality of castings of engines the last 20 or more years there is very little trash generated during break in. Almost all debris will still be from the cylinder walls during break in but the procedures used to hone today avoids the vast majority.