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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => "AP" Member Project Logs => Topic started by: Punkur67 on August 04, 2016, 01:47:54 PM
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Well i picked up a used intercooler and that snowballed bad. I ended up with an used fresh 2.5 subaru, rebuilt mendeola 2d, used microstubs, new seats, and some other misc parts. Got the old setup pulled out, cut some old mounts and tube out, and started installing the new setup this weekend
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New seats
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so our you saying you pulled out a 2.0 and put in a 2.5. I sure could use some 2.0 parts. lol Good looking motor.
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I had a 2.0 running 17 pounds of boost and a built 091. New motor is a new sti block with forged pistons and an aftermarket turbo. Outfront said they can do their 400hp race fuel tune with 15 pounds of boost on the setup for a few hundred dollars. Trans is a fresh mendeola 2D geared for the subie.
I will look through the garage and see what i have big dave
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What kind of horsepower where you getting out of your 2.0? at 17 pounds of boost. I don't want to go over 300 horse, I run an 091 box built with all weddle gears from Arizona transaxle. but they're only rated a 300 hp,. So I kind of want to keep it under that or right at that. sounds like yours is going to be pretty mean with your new configuration. I run with a guy here in town that's got an outback motor rated at 400 horse with a Mendiola it does scream. I'm sure you will love it. I got fortunate and got into my 2.0 at the right price. everything polished turbo, adapter plate ECU and harness for two grand. couldn't pass it up. would love to upgrade to 2.5 down the road. Really need to figure out the intercooler though that's the big find. Look forward to watching your build. looks like it's going to be fun.
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I had a dyno sheet that showed 269 hp to the tires but after talking with John at Outfront he said there is no way. He said it was probably closer to that horsepower at the flywheel. I trust him since building these motors is his specialty and he has built tons of them. He said lots of places manipulate the dyno to show better numbers. I got a steal on my motor too. I paid $2600 for the turnkey motor, adaptor, dual disk clutch, and ron davis radiator. And the motor came with a rebuild sheet from outfront showing a brand new STI block and aftermarket forged pistons. I may be interested in selling the intercooler setup i have. The outfront setup would leave me a little more room to lay the radiator down more. I am excited to drive the new setup for sure. My plan is to have the deck closed on my motor next summer so i can turn the boost up and get closer to 500hp.
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That sure is a nice upgrade! More HP more fun!
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Picked up the new fuel tank last Monday and started mounting it. Also drew up the new rear trailing arms with a buddy yesterday. He has some fine tuning to do before we cut them but we have the basic design figured out now.
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Nice work.
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tank is sweet. oil pan arrived looked great. thanks
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I would shitcan the bushing inner. If you ever need to adjust it, the bushing will not. Uniball's work much better.
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I would shitcan the bushing inner. If you ever need to adjust it, the bushing will not. Uniball's work much better.
I am bolting these to the existing trailing arm tube and did not want to remove the existing mounts if possible. I thought about the uniballs but was not sure if the arms would retain the same arc if the inner pivot could rotate. Have you ever built arms with them?
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tank is sweet. oil pan arrived looked great. thanks
Thanks. That is good to hear. I was going to message you to ask but did not get a chance.
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the mouning points on the chassis dictate arc during trailering arm swing so the uniballs won't change the angle or direction the trailing arm swings. they will just give you the ability to adjust tow and camber way easier than the bushing which does allow for a little but not much adjustment. you'll have to make spacer to fit in to the pivot pocket.
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We have a mouse in the works. I have to be on the road. No time.
Last post to salvage:
Fabr - I agree with ds and bdkw
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Is there something wrong with the site or the way i am posting? Seems like every time i try to post pics the post locks up on me and this is the second thread of mine to crash.
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Every once in a while it happens. Yummi is looking into it this weekend when he gets time. We haven't been able to find out why it happens so far though. Seems to be a random thing. Yummi can likely save at least part of the thread if you PM him. I think he's a bit busy but may get you back up pretty quickly. We do apologize though.
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No apologies needed, just wanted to know if i was doing something wrong
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The only thing I can suggest is to not try to upload large pics without resizing first. I always resize mine to about 40% full size. I have had some of my pics lock up a thread but since I have been resizing pics it hasn't happened.
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The only thing I can suggest is to not try to upload large pics without resizing first. I always resize mine to about 40% full size. I have had some of my pics lock up a thread but since I have been resizing pics it hasn't happened.
I'v not had to much of a problem until I locked up the Idaho 2016 tread this week. I cropped a picture in Paint and tried to load it. It would not load and the page went blank and that's what I get now when I try to get back in.
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And don't leave a "reply" window open too long, that can lock a thread up.
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Mine even locked up trying to use picture urls to
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I'v not had to much of a problem until I locked up the Idaho 2016 tread this week. I cropped a picture in Paint and tried to load it. It would not load and the page went blank and that's what I get now when I try to get back in.
I have found cropping a pic doesn't help. Resizing does tho.
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And don't leave a "reply" window open too long, that can lock a thread up.
yup. I screwed a thread at GD once that way.
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Mine even locked up trying to use picture urls to
hmmm. Never heard of that one-till now. I dunno.
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Got some stuff done this weekend. I finished the coolant lines, welded seat mounts, built most of the driver side trailing arm, cut out the old shock mounts, installed new C pillars so the shock mounts can be installed. Also started mocking up the shocks. I did a VERY rough sketch on PDF. I will be rounding some corners and cleaning the design up but what do you guys think? I am planning on using 3/16 chromo plate, cutting out the center triangle and installing mesh with round holes in it, and boxing the mount inside where the blue line is on the side prof
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Some pics
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Fuel tank
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I picked up an Ipad mini 4 to use for music and gps with the Leadnav program, a switch pro panel to wire, new RCV 300m 930 cvs and a bunch of other goodies. The UPS guy is getting to know me real good again.
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looks like it is coming together nicely. love the fab work on the fuel tank.
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All looks very good. I might leave some material in the load path (red line) of the shock mounts.
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Good call but........ they got cut today. I am doing some plating inside and should help spread the load
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Some updated pics. Still need to finish some plating and welding
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Nice work. Isn't it riding season where you are?
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It is but spent the whole off season building 2 trucks for other people. Got a LATE start for a project this big
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Always something slowing down things,huh. I know the feeling well.
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I finished one of the rear shock mounts and am almost done with the other. Also added a bar for the shoulder harness attachments that will double to hold the shock reservoirs.
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Nicely done!
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Very professional job! When is the maiden voyage for the new upgrades?
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looking good! whats that pattern for laying up against the fridge?
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Very professional job! When is the maiden voyage for the new upgrades?
Not sure but i am trying to finish the back half and do a Thanksgiving trip. Then do the front end between thanksgiving and new years .
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looking good! whats that pattern for laying up against the fridge?
The pattern is the left over sheet from cutting the trailing arms.
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Finished all the fab work on the frame, completed welding, took everything apart, and painted. I dont think Thanksgiving is going to happen but I am still going to try.
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looking good. if your going to have it running, by thanksgiving you most be a animal. looks like a lot left to do. get-ur-done.
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Don't rush it. The dunes will still be there. Congrats on the work you have done.
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Don't rush it. The dunes will still be there. Congrats on the work you have done.
I am not going to rush it but if I can put some long nights in and complete it I will. I got a bunch of stuff done last night and going to hit it hard tonight. I am happy with the way it is coming out so far.
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I know you have it under control but ya know the old saying-haste makes waste................ Honestly ,I hope you get it done and are able to go have a good time,in time.
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looking good and unless your dying take your time and have lots of fun cause the sand isn't going anywhere... yet lol
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Made some progress this weekend. I started assembly and finished the trailing arms up with exception to a couple welds I want to dress up.
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love the new arms. car is looking great.
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Thanks. I am happy for sure. I really hope the new power from the bigger motor is worth all the work
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Thanks. I am happy for sure. I really hope the new power from the bigger motor is worth all the work
I HEAR THAT.
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You will both be very happy I'm sure.
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+1
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You will both be very happy I'm sure.
I hope so. begin to second thank the hp I'm after. 300 hp out of the 2.0 might be asking to much of it.
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I hope so. begin to second thank the hp I'm after. 300 hp out of the 2.0 might be asking to much of it.
I think 300 is a bit much unless you cramk up the boost with race fuel or e85. I built a smaller beam car like yours for a friend that put 179hp to the tires out of a turbo subie and it was a rocket. I am sure you will be happy with the power.
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I think 300 is a bit much unless you cramk up the boost with race fuel or e85. I built a smaller beam car like yours for a friend that put 179hp to the tires out of a turbo subie and it was a rocket. I am sure you will be happy with the power.
I hope so, I had a Vw 2332, 5.5 h beam rods, Cb wedge mate heads. all potter valve train. 10-1cr. turboed and fuel injected. it ran dam good. never had it on the dyno, but CB specs the build at 250hp at the crank.. I'm sure there numbers are fudged some to the top side. if I get 260 to wheel I sure it will make me happy.
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More progress. Still need to paint or hydrodip the intercooler scoop
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time to go play.
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i like the scoop aka the quicker picker upper ;D
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Theres a 12" hi flow spal fan inside the scoop too. It should really help with intercooler efficiency .
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nice touch! and it should.....you will know how well real soon lol
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A little more progress.
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looks like its ready to test drive!
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I'm sure punkur is ready!
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Not quite ready yet. I still have a list...
-Minor plumbing to the brakes and turbo feed-Axles and cv's-Re-wire the whole car-Mount the new battery up front-New front shock mounts for the bypasses (just need to double sheer the old mounts and box them in. already have them cut)-A new temporary dash to use till I get my new tin work done-Drink cooler mount-Bolt the new seats and harnesses in
But I am definitely on the downhill of the project.
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All the "small stuff" seems to take forever. Looking good!
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The small stuff kills you every time.
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Made some progress lately. I have been working on the car a bunch, just not taking pictures. I hope to have it done by this weekend.
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You've come a long way with your fab skills. Very well done.
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You've come a long way with your fab skills. Very well done.
Thanks! Not only have i learned over the years but have purchased more tools to make work better and easier. I wish i had the tools and knowledge when i first built the car.
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Thanks! Not only have i learned over the years but have purchased more tools to make work better and easier. I wish i had the tools and knowledge when i first built the car.
We all do. I can only imagine what I could have built in the last 40 years if I'd had the tools/knowledge/mentors then that I have now.
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We all do. I can only imagine what I could have built in the last 40 years if I'd had the tools/knowledge/mentors then that I have now.
+100 Why I'm here. Ask, learn, show off what I learned.
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very nice work
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Finished most of the car up tonight and ran it around the block. Still need to adjust some things but hope to use this weekend to work out the any bugs. I still need to install my rugged 60 watt radio and wire up the PTT buttons and rear headsets but all the major work is done. I will be making my way to Outfront for a retune after the first of the year so we can bump this motor up a little more.
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Out at the desert this weekend and everything is working great. I have a couple small leaks to address but no big deal.
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Very cool.
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best kind of trip!! good to hear. so how does it compare to what it was before the mods?
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-Definitely more power with just the 325hp tune. I cant wait to put the 400hp tune in it. I let the motor bog down a few times in the sandy areas and the motor pushed right through where i would have had to downshift before.
-Suspension is much better with the bypasses
-Seats are very comfortable. Way better than the old ones
-Love the headsets with the tunes going
-The agm coil sliders are a little noisy but cant hear them with the headsets anyway
- I did not mess with the ipad gps much but i do like it so far
- The new switchpro switches are very nice
Overall im very happy. To be honest I was over my car for the last couple years and just started to dislike riding. The car feels brand new and the upgrades made me fall in love with the car and desert again.
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great to hear and you did a damn nice job and glad to hear your enjoying it again.
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-Definitely more power with just the 325hp tune. I cant wait to put the 400hp tune in it. I let the motor bog down a few times in the sandy areas and the motor pushed right through where i would have had to downshift before.
-Suspension is much better with the bypasses
-Seats are very comfortable. Way better than the old ones
-Love the headsets with the tunes going
-The agm coil sliders are a little noisy but cant hear them with the headsets anyway
- I did not mess with the ipad gps much but i do like it so far
- The new switchpro switches are very nice
Overall im very happy. To be honest I was over my car for the last couple years and just started to dislike riding. The car feels brand new and the upgrades made me fall in love with the car and desert again.
very cool!
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A couple pictures from this weekend
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Sounds like it ran out nice. SSSWWWWEEEEEEEET
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I got to run the dunes with the new setup today. We went out to Glamis for a day trip and I can say i'm very happy. The car ran comfortably in 3rd with occasional downshifts for the tight stuff. For once i was not stressed trying to play catch up with the v8 cars I ride with. The car is way more enjoyable now. I cant wait to take it to Outfront and retune it to their 400hp tune. Should really wake the car up nice!
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Scheduled my dyno tune for next Friday. I excited to see how much difference it makes
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Scheduled my dyno tune for next Friday. I excited to see how much difference it makes
So are we!
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I have never had mine on the dyno. Always wondered if I could get more power but still be reliable. I run a "canned" tune from outback right now.
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I have never had mine on the dyno. Always wondered if I could get more power but still be reliable. I run a "canned" tune from outback right now.
I think their common tune is 330hp which is what I was told my motor has. John said he can do his standard 400hp race fuel tune no problem now that the motor has an intercooler.
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that's going to be a substantial change! nice pics btw
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Well, the tune did not go as planned. I showed up and was told i need a different turbo and header to get the power i want. I would have done that before i went up but oh well. John was very nice and informative. He fixed some things in my current tune that were wrong that should smooth out the power. The motor was very lean at the bottom and top of the rpm curve and had too much timing in certain areas. Im going to sell the t3 turbo and order a turbonetics t3/t4 from John so i can go back. We then can bump the boost up to 15-17 psi and get me to the 400hp+ mark im after.
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that is always disappointing but sounds like you got your current tune smoothed pretty nice. now i don't know what the price range on the turbonetics it but if it's close to what the borg warner efr series is i would get one of those. they will offer the best performance for your app but they are $1700
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that is always disappointing but sounds like you got your current tune smoothed pretty nice. now i don't know what the price range on the turbonetics it but if it's close to what the borg warner efr series is i would get one of those. they will offer the best performance for your app but they are $1700
I can get the turbonetics T3/T4 from outfront for about $750 with standard polished finish and $850 polished, ceramic coated, and painted. And i already have a Tial wastegate. Whats the deal on the borg warner that makes it that much better?
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The EFR's are state of the art where the journal bearing gt series Garrett (hybrids) are 30 year old technology.
Titanium lightweight shafts on dual ceramic ball bearings (they spool yesterday)
Wastegate built in
Boost controler built in
Ricirculation valve built in
Provisions for shaft speed sensor. (helpful if ya plan on taking a turbo to the very edge)
http://www.full-race.com/articles/borgwarner-efr-turbos.html (http://www.full-race.com/articles/borgwarner-efr-turbos.html)
Be sure to weigh in all the cost of putting together all the plumbing with a non wategated turbo with boost control and a quality blowoff valve, you may be close to an EFR purchase that has boost control dialed in on it's internal gate built in.
For your 2.5 I think the 6258 would be a wonderful performer IMO.
This turbo gives me wood.
That's all I got.
;D
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AND water-cooled!!!
Very beneficial to run the plumbing and keep the center section cooler and happier after abrupt shut down while adding a thermal beerier for the compressor housing, but not mandatory to run according to BorgW.
I priced put a built t3/t4 hybrid with watercooled CC and ceramic bearings and it was beyond the cost of an EFR.
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Well.....I picked up a new Turbonetics T3/T4, Tial BOV, header with larger tubes, and fuel rails from Outfront. Also fabbed up a new intake setup with a new filter. My plan is to get it tuned next Friday morning and head out to Glamis for the weekend. I still need to build a support for the air filter, install the new fuel rails, and weld on the BOV.
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looks good and if they don't come up with another reason why they can't and you need more parts you'll love the new power !
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vroom,vroom,vroom....................woohoo!!!!!
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Looking good Punkur! The guys I know that went to 15 lbs boost, it really woke the motor up; you'll love it.
Question: My turbo looks a lot like your new one, bought it from outback in 09. But my receipt says it is a E40 turbo. (I thought it was a T3/T4 when I bought it) My next step is 15 lbs also. Do you think they are the same? What does your receipt say? I guess I need to call them.......thanks
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Looking good Punkur! The guys I know that went to 15 lbs boost, it really woke the motor up; you'll love it.
Question: My turbo looks a lot like your new one, bought it from outback in 09. But my receipt says it is a E40 turbo. (I thought it was a T3/T4 when I bought it) My next step is 15 lbs also. Do you think they are the same? What does your receipt say? I guess I need to call them.......thanks
I am not familiar with an E40 turbo. That may be a part number they use for a specific exhaust and/or turbine combo. I had to burn my receipt before the wife saw it laying around! Haha. I would call Outfront and ask, they are very helpful.
My T3 was running 12.5 pounds of boost. From my conversations with John it sounds like I will be around 15-18 pounds when we are done with the new setup
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looking good. sounds like it will Be a runner.
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I spent Sunday and monday night trying to figure out why the car would not run. I found the Aeromotive A750 chewed itself up on the inside. The pump was running but only building a couple pounds. When I pulled it out a graphite looking sludge came out of it. The pre filter was clean and the post filter had the sludge in it too. I swapped the pump out for my old Bosch pump and it fired right up and ran great.
I took the car to Outfront today and it went well. I told John I was looking for 400hp on the motor. He told me a 400hp motor will read around 266 to the wheels on his dyno. After bumping the boost to 15 psi and adjusting fuel and timing I ended up with 268 hp to the tires. Definitely a big difference from my first 2.0 and the motor with the T3 turbo. Should be able to test everything out this weekend if the weather will cooperate.
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Sounds like you will be/are a happy camper!
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Here is one of the pulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avsrcxf2qtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avsrcxf2qtM)
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Cant figure out why the video wont inbed...
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Remove the s in https
and it will work.
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Done.
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Perfect. Thank you!
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really like what you've done with the rail......so out of curiosity what did the turbo and bov cost? and how close to the comp housing did you mount the bov? does it have a removable outlet so you an screw a fitting in to recirc back into the air cleaner inlet tube if you wanted to?
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the reason i ask..........after talking to ian at turbo lab about which turbo i am looking for and what i want it to do and camparisons to the borg warner efr series. the efr has a built in bov and waste gate. so after buying a turbo then waste gate and good bov your not far off. now we were talking about the bov being a recirc rather than atmosphere. now when i say this ....prob miliseconds or seconds but......ian says placing the bov as close to the comp housing is the best way to go. he says if you place it at the throttle body then the bov dumps the system. if you place it at the comp housing outlet then it dump the pressure right there rather than the whole system but still drops the pressure that would have an effect on the butterfly plate. this discussion was based on my statement of on and off boost repeatedly as opposed to on the strip racing, in comparing diff turbos. ian is a nice guy and takes the time to discuss such things with customers, not to many do anymore.
the efr has the bov built in to the comp housing to recirc for the fastest re spool response and that is why i asked. i know some will post there opinions on this and i would like to read them as it does make sense but tried and true is always better than speculation. i have found several bov's that the horn un threads and one could recirc that back into the inlet stream on the air cleaner side. thoughts anyone?????????????
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Here is one of the pulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avsrcxf2qtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avsrcxf2qtM)
Sounds VERY healthy. I like it!
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really like what you've done with the rail......so out of curiosity what did the turbo and bov cost? and how close to the comp housing did you mount the bov? does it have a removable outlet so you an screw a fitting in to recirc back into the air cleaner inlet tube if you wanted to?
The turbo was $780 and the bov was $250. I did not mount it to the intercooler yet since i did not have enough time before this trip. It will be mounted on the intercooler tank on the throttle body side. It has a nipple that i will be putting a filter on.
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Took the car out in the dunes today. Car is a whole new machine. I was pulling way harder than i ever have and going way faster than ever. Had a great day till i blew 3rd gear on the mendeola at the sand drags.
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was that a fresh trans? glad to hear it is meeting your expectations and sounds like it's running very well but not good on 3 rd gear that always sucks
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was that a fresh trans? glad to hear it is meeting your expectations and sounds like it's running very well but not good on 3 rd gear that always sucks
Fresh out of the trans shop
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Well,I'd be soooooo happy about how it ran but any idea why it let go?
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Well,I'd be soooooo happy about how it ran but any idea why it let go?
Im very happy with the motor. Not sure on the trans problem. It either was already fatigued by my buddy or maybe when i shifted to 3rd the motor was still on the turbo. I put it in 3rd and as soon as i released the clutch it made a bad grinding sound and kicked out of 3rd. I was not babying it either. 5:
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Well,as we know,stuff happens. Good to hear the motor is making you happy! Just curious,did the trans shop mag the gears and such while it was down?
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Well,as we know,stuff happens. Good to hear the motor is making you happy! Just curious,did the trans shop mag the gears and such while it was down?
My good buddy had it rebuilt before he sold it to me and said everything was magged.
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I got an update from the trans shop and it was a bad shift fork. Hope to get it back next week and get everything back together for a trip at the end of the month
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the reason i ask..........after talking to ian at turbo lab about which turbo i am looking for and what i want it to do and camparisons to the borg warner efr series. the efr has a built in bov and waste gate. so after buying a turbo then waste gate and good bov your not far off. now we were talking about the bov being a recirc rather than atmosphere. now when i say this ....prob miliseconds or seconds but......ian says placing the bov as close to the comp housing is the best way to go. he says if you place it at the throttle body then the bov dumps the system. if you place it at the comp housing outlet then it dump the pressure right there rather than the whole system but still drops the pressure that would have an effect on the butterfly plate. this discussion was based on my statement of on and off boost repeatedly as opposed to on the strip racing, in comparing diff turbos. ian is a nice guy and takes the time to discuss such things with customers, not to many do anymore.
the efr has the bov built in to the comp housing to recirc for the fastest re spool response and that is why i asked. i know some will post there opinions on this and i would like to read them as it does make sense but tried and true is always better than speculation. i have found several bov's that the horn un threads and one could recirc that back into the inlet stream on the air cleaner side. thoughts anyone? ??? ??? ??? ???
I also got my BOV mounted while the intercooler was off the car.
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very nice and clean. glad to hear it was only a shift fork but still never a good thing to have a trans go down. i hope your trip goes flawless!!!!
i am trying to figure out where to mount my inner cooler so i can tear down and paint the frame . not finding any good locations and i like the way the suby coolers mount but not possibl e here!
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very nice and clean. glad to hear it was only a shift fork but still never a good thing to have a trans go down. i hope your trip goes flawless!!!!
i am trying to figure out where to mount my inner cooler so i can tear down and paint the frame . not finding any good locations and i like the way the suby coolers mount but not possible here!
I would assume its hard with the throttle body pointing out to the side and the turbo on the opposite side? Post some pics up on your thread when you have it mocked up. I'm sure we can all help with a solution. You might just need more tube to connect to a similar setup or one with the tanks on the sides. I have also seen blank intercoolers that you can locate your own connections too.
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good to hear no major damage to trans. Nice job on the BOV.
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I figured out where all the noise in the front end was coming from. My saco steering rack was clapped out and had a ton of slop in it. I ordered a saco magnum rack, had a billet rack spreader made, and made lighter tie rods to help prevent this issue in the future.
I am also making some lighting changes too. I ditched my light rack loaded with hellas and installed a Rigid 40" led light bar. I wanted to utilize my old mounts and do something different so i built a custom mount. Its not anything crazy but it came out clean and simple. I swapped my eagle eyes hid for some baja designs 4" fuego hids. I am still trying to figure out what lights i want to run mid level on the car. I have eagle eye hids there now but i am looking for 6" spot lights. I am looking at the baja designs 6" prerunner hids, hella 4000 compact hids, hella 6" leds, or kc 6" leds. Just torn on what to do hid or led.
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very nice
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looking back on the old lights, this sure cleans up the top of your car. LOOKS GREAT
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Well done and also 2 words,rack snuggy. PM Fast .
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i do have to 2nd the rack snuggy! works very vell and easy to adjust to keep everthing inside snugged up!