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UTV's Off Road ( RZR, YXZ, Mini Buggy, Carts,etc.) => UTV General Discussion => Topic started by: fabr on September 06, 2018, 07:03:04 PM
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Like it or not it's hard to argue with the raw power of electric performance. As battery tech marches on it will only get better.
https://youtu.be/AWCzJp3qg5Y
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i actually like the idea of electric it's just the run time i have questions about.
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charge time is the issue to me
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charge time is the issue to me
i agree if it takes more than 6 hrs to fully recharge. the run time though if your down on power because of low batt after 1 to 2 hrs of spirited run time then that just doesnt work. i say that as ls may not be long runs but 4hr run time for sure at st a!!
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now if they set it up like a hybrid with say a 1 cyl genny to assist batt for longer run time and shorter recharge time then that would be great except it defeats the weight loss from all electric.
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read all the info
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i plan on it as soon as i have a few mins.
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Pretty cool if you ask me. Looks as if the suspension was dialed in very well too! I would like to see it over some woops.
Justin
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What you see is in the vid a $$$$$60K+ buggy. 3: :m
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ok so visited there site. first off.....no f ing way! who thought that was ok to build! starts at $28k and 3300 lbs to 5300lbs depending equipment! how? how could it be that heavy.....thats heavier than dougs v8 tatum pre runner! 150 mile range and 6hr charge time on a 240v plug. if you get there 12v pack its 3 hrs but what does that charger pack cost. i cant get past the weight and price vs hp.
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It is still the future, As can be seen,it is not intended for dunes. It is targeting off road use-hardpack. Weight is not much of an issue there and in many ways is preferrable. Would I want one now? Nope ,but they will be improved,price will come down and they will be the future. Remember,everyone said sxs's would never take over yet here we are. Look around the dunes/desert and see the ratio of sxs's to "real buggies". Probably 10:1 now are sxs's. Hell,at LS it's more like 30:1.
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ok so visited there site. first off.....no f ing way! who thought that was ok to build! starts at $28k and 3300 lbs to 5300lbs depending equipment! how? how could it be that heavy.....thats heavier than dougs v8 tatum pre runner! 150 mile range and 6hr charge time on a 240v plug. if you get there 12v pack its 3 hrs but what does that charger pack cost. i cant get past the weight and price vs hp.
weight vs HP. Look at the torque at the wheel of it and compare that to the torque at the wheel for a v-8 gas vehicle. I'm not talking motoror engine torque. I'm talking at the wheel after gear reductions.
From their website:
With 100% of torque available quickly, the Nikola NZT™ delivers remarkable performance right out of the gate and continues delivering up to 722 ft-lbs of peak torque! That is before gear reduction. After the reduction at the wheel direct drive hub, you're looking at 2,346 ft-lbs of torque at each wheel. Multiply that by four to get nearly 9,386 ft-lbs of torque!
That is around 3 times the total torque at the tires in high gear with a 4.5ish rear gear 700+ lb.ft.v-8 engine at the wheels. 700x4.5=3150 lb.ft. Something to think about.
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oh i saw the hp and tq specs. they are impressive but expected from electric motors. i also am fully aware that utvs have taken over and also understand why. i can see the elect utv becoming a thing also. my issue is weight , run time ,recharge time and price. holy crap there out there. hp per lb rating is way out there and yes i know tq is where its at but even breaking that down per lbs is up there. i would be interested in the concept but there a long ways off yet for what i would expect. your right on the hard pack trails the weight would be better but still 150 mile range on 1 charge! for anyone thinking they dont run 150 miles.......better account for tire spin ontop of recorded miles.
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again-around 3 times the total torque at the tires in high gear with a 4.5ish rear gear 700+ lb.ft.v-8 engine at the wheels. 700x4.5=3150 lb.ft. Something to think about.
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I know everyone thinks they put on a lot of miles in the dunes but don't really . I only put on about 200 odometer miles in 8 hours non stop driving last week. If I had been with our group it might have topped 300.
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again-around 3 times the total torque at the tires in high gear with a 4.5ish rear gear 700+ lb.ft.v-8 engine at the wheels. 700x4.5=3150 lb.ft. Something to think about.
3 times the weight , well then need 3 times the tq lol
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I know everyone thinks they put on a lot of miles in the dunes but don't really . I only put on about 200 odometer miles in 8 hours non stop driving last week. If I had been with our group it might have topped 300.
i agree we put less on that we think but if you put 100 miles on the odo based on front wheels that arent spinning ( or on gps which is what i guaged) then wheels spinning takes power which would be like more miles. none the less load is what drains the batts and sand is worse than hard pack. my point was that the actual run time isnt enough imo.
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yxz odo is off the driveshaft,therefore accounted for wheel spin which there was plenty of . No paddles yet,had to run in 4wd.These things are in their infancy and tech is going to solve the issues for most needs. I agree though that for any serious distance there will need be a LOT of improvement and that might never happen. For most needs though 150 miles is more than enough for most any rides. Currently ,the only people that will buy these are ballers with more $$$$$ than brains but it will all trickle down to our level at some point.
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I know everyone thinks they put on a lot of miles in the dunes but don't really . I only put on about 200 odometer miles in 8 hours non stop driving last week. If I had been with our group it might have topped 300.
i agree we put less on that we think but if you put 100 miles on the odo based on front wheels that arent spinning ( or on gps which is what i guaged) then wheels spinning takes power which would be like more miles. none the less load is what drains the batts and sand is worse than hard pack. my point was that the actual run time isnt enough imo.
Not so fast with that assumption. Once the wheels spin with an electric motor the amp draw will actually drop until traction is regained enough to require more power to keep spinning. With the weight of the batteries something like this will never be suitable in the dunes as much lighter machines are. That's a given.
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Weight from batteries and motor. if it would 150 miles in sand you drive all day charge at night. cage is a bit fugly, but that torque is crazy. i'd like to take for a spin...... :s
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Just ignore the car itself. Once this tech becomes readily available as components the real cars will come.
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I know everyone thinks they put on a lot of miles in the dunes but don't really . I only put on about 200 odometer miles in 8 hours non stop driving last week. If I had been with our group it might have topped 300.
i agree we put less on that we think but if you put 100 miles on the odo based on front wheels that arent spinning ( or on gps which is what i guaged) then wheels spinning takes power which would be like more miles. none the less load is what drains the batts and sand is worse than hard pack. my point was that the actual run time isnt enough imo.
Not so fast with that assumption. Once the wheels spin with an electric motor the amp draw will actually drop until traction is regained enough to require more power to keep spinning. With the weight of the batteries something like this will never be suitable in the dunes as much lighter machines are. That's a given.
i shouldn't even meantion it in miles as there site does cause diff terrain will drain it faster or slower anyway. your right, once traction breaks there be less amp draw but still an amp draw eating power faster. i agree these werent designed for the dunes and yes once the tech gets better and cheaper the real builds will start. until then 5300 lbs in a utv is just too much.
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I know everyone thinks they put on a lot of miles in the dunes but don't really . I only put on about 200 odometer miles in 8 hours non stop driving last week. If I had been with our group it might have topped 300.
i agree we put less on that we think but if you put 100 miles on the odo based on front wheels that arent spinning ( or on gps which is what i guaged) then wheels spinning takes power which would be like more miles. none the less load is what drains the batts and sand is worse than hard pack. my point was that the actual run time isnt enough imo.
Not so fast with that assumption. Once the wheels spin with an electric motor the amp draw will actually drop until traction is regained enough to require more power to keep spinning. With the weight of the batteries something like this will never be suitable in the dunes as much lighter machines are. That's a given.
i shouldn't even meantion it in miles as there site does cause diff terrain will drain it faster or slower anyway. your right, once traction breaks there be less amp draw but still an amp draw eating power fasterand a gas engine will use more fuel. 5: Ultimately it's a trade off especially since most sxs's have pretty dinky gas tanks and likely have no more run distance. The issue will come down to recharge time and getting the battery weight down. i agree these werent designed for the dunes and yes once the tech gets better and cheaper the real builds will start. until then 5300 lbs in a utv is just too much.
No argument there.
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There is a lot of new battery development in the works that are lighter, noncombustible, faster charge, more energy density, and cheaper. Some are a mix between a battery and a capacitor. That will change everything with these electric vehicles.
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Yup!
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Additional banks of capacitors could quick charge and be used for immediate fun... while the batteries can charge over night and supplement the total ride time.