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Automotive Powered Off Road (AKA: Buggys, Jeeps, Trucks, Etc,Etc. ) => Motor and Drivetrain => Topic started by: fabr on June 04, 2010, 01:39:01 PM
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I am officially biting my fooking tongue off at this moment. I have heard the stories about how RCV drags its' feet on orders. IF I get my axles that have been ordered since 3 weeks before the LS trip(over 2 months) I will give a full ,honest review of the quality and also an honest review of the "customer service" I have gotten. So far ,let's just say,I am very "disappointed" in the accuracy of their communication. I seriously hope the quality makes up for it. :slp
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I am officially biting my fooking tongue off at this moment. I have heard the stories about how RCV drags its' feet on orders. IF I get my axles that have been ordered since 3 weeks before the LS trip(over 2 months) I will give a full ,honest review of the quality and also an honest review of the "customer service" I have gotten. So far ,let's just say,I am very "disappointed" in the accuracy of their communication. I seriously hope the quality makes up for it. :slp
Well join the club. I ordered two of there good cv's two weeks back on a Thursday. Had them shipped three day express air. Got a email confirmation that they were in stock and would ship asap. Well OK come the next Tuesday when they should have come in the door my by UPS man don't show. Just about that time I get and email from them saying that the order was being possessed. WTF? I reply to the email with some very harsh words that I better get some answers real quick or I would notify PayPal that I would start a dispute. It wasn't five minuets I get a call on the old cell and low and behold it's RCV wants to know if I still need the cv's and what could they do to make it right. I told them that If they sent them next day air on there ticket we would be good. They did and I was happy. Kind of.
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now that is funny! wouldnt be easier, less hassle, better word of mouth, and cheaper if they just did stuff on time?
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One would think so.
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DAMMIT !!!!!! My tongue is hurting. I SOOOOOOOOOOO want to just let it rip.
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Glenn,
Where is this company located?
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ROCKFORD, IL
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you know I got all 10 non plunge cv's from them in under a week! guess they were slow that day ;D I do feel you guys pain and there is nothing worse than being jerked around with out cause!
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And 8 of them were for me! LOL!! Jerked around is being quite polite.
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I guess we just got lucky on them then! ;D
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We'll see if the axles ship this week as per the most recent promise.
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We'll see if the axles ship this week as per the most recent promise.
Does that mean your get close to vroom, vroom time?
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I hope for their sake they do!! ;) ;)
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Does that mean your get close to vroom, vroom time?
The car is being dismantled right now and all final welding is being done at this time. I have a buddies kid that is pretty damned talented at auto body/painting that is going to paint the frame and components hopefully end of next week depending on my sandblaster. Got a few wiring items left to tie in as it's put together then it's pretty much put it back together and ya-vroom vroom is just around the corner(and a block away yet ;D ;D)------FINALLY. rofl
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rofl rofl rofl I bought a KICK ASS throttle cable kit and assenbled my first first rate throttle cable today. I have enough crap to make 100 throttle cables of all kinds. Only about enough parts for about 3 busa cables thumb down Anyway I have 19 strand very flexible cable and 7X7 less flexible and 3 sheath sizes with teflon liners. Shit loads of barrel ends of several diameters/length. Only took me 2 hours to make my first one .
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where did you source the kits? 8) 8) 8)
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where did you source the kits? 8) 8) 8)
No kidding. That was one of the things I was never happy with on Samantha's.
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ancient chinese secret. ;D but great find!
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I know you can get 7x7 (flexible) strand and 7x19 (super flexible) strand stainless steel flex from aircraft suppliers. Probably a bit exxy for our purposes though.
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The cable is easy to find and cheap also. Yes we are talking about the cables you spoke of Chris.. It's the sheath and liner and ferrules and adjusters and barrel ends that are a bitch to find. I'll post up some info before long. I'm really really busy at the moment and will be so for the next few days. Patience,grasshoppers.
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:) Thank you sir
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got axle yet?
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Axle? What axle? OH,THAT axle! Been so long now.......................... Well I got on RCV's online chat and just about 30 minutes ago he swore they are REALLY in heat treat and should get the slip sections TIGged tomorrow and MAYBE ship tomorrow or Monday at latest. any bets? lOL!!!
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Axle? What axle? OH,THAT axle! Been so long now.......................... Well I got on RCV's online chat and just about 30 minutes ago he swore they are REALLY in heat treat and should get the slip sections TIGged tomorrow and MAYBE ship tomorrow or Monday at latest. any bets? lOL!!!
:k :k :k ff: ff: ff: gg: gg: gg:
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$1 either way! ;D
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Hair on fire gg:
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This isn't getting any funnier.I assume you read my email huh? LOL!
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This isn't getting any funnier.I assume you read my email huh? LOL!
Are they still jerking you around. kick bs1 bs1 What's the date they told you now. ??? ??? ???
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The OWNER today told me I would either have the tracking info of next day air by end of business or a call from him letting me know WTH they AGAIN did not ship. In all fairness I have been in the shop ,out of phone contact since 2:30 today welding. But there's NO tracking info in my e mail so yes,for about the 8th or so time been lied to about when thet will ,IF EVER,get the damn things to me. I'm going to give them one last chance,I'm giving the OWNER now the last chance to make this right TOMORROW and then I'm posting this experience on every buggy/offroad site I can find. Nothing like free advertising (huh Don's Bus Box)? I really really do not appreciate being OUTRIGHT LIED to REPEATEDLY. This is a copy of this mornings email. Just another lie apparently.
Hello Wes,
We had a slight issue with the center slip but your axles are shipping today
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the axles tomorrow as we are next day airing them at no charge for your
patience.
Best Regards!!
I've gotten verbals like this repeatedly. Phone calls are not returned,emails are normally unanswered, THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!! Only reason I got the above reply today is because I sent a scathing email last night to the sales people.
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IT"S BEEN OVER 3 FOOKING MONTHS NOW . Better plan ahead if you wish to buy from RCV I guess. thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down
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THAT"S TOTAL bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1 bs1
Word of mouth advertising can make or break a business. kick kick kick
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I just now received an e mail with next day air tracking number. I'm betting Sean got his ass straighten out by the owner. Our company CC was hijacked recently and that is the card info they had. It's been cancelled and a new one reissued. That's pretty trusting to ship unpaid to a very pissed off "customer" IMO.
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I just now received an e mail with next day air tracking number. I'm betting Sean got his ass straighten out by the owner. Our company CC was hijacked recently and that is the card info they had. It's been cancelled and a new one reissued. That's pretty trusting to ship unpaid to a very pissed off "customer" IMO.
That it is. ff: gg: gg: gg: Hopefully everything is right.
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No shit.
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Yeah, if something has to be redone, you'll have no buggy for fall LS trip. kick
Lucky for them you have not really needed them yet. No way anyone with just a broken axle would wait 3 months. Cant take more than few days of work to make.
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This isn't getting any funnier.I assume you read my email huh? LOL!
oh ya and I am still amazed! lol
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Yeah, if something has to be redone, you'll have no buggy for fall LS trip. kick
Lucky for them you have not really needed them yet. No way anyone with just a broken axle would wait 3 months. Cant take more than few days of work to make.
carl you going to try and make the fall trip?
fabbr like I said, I hope you don't wind up with the same quality axles k-fab did!!!! for this to take that long they either have never built anything like these or they farmed them out to fred or had to buy parts from fred!!
on another note I hope sean stops in and reads this to answer a few q's.
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The shafts willbe in my hands today,they're out for UPS delivery as we speak.. I'll post up a full accounting of the BS that went on and also a full opinion on the quality also. Then RCV gets an invite to visit this thread.
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carl you going to try and make the fall trip?
Have my fingers crossed. May be solo this time, depends on which week. Definitly change the day I arrive and leave, not missing Fast's meal again.
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LOL! Yeah fast makes a good one! Hope you can make it!
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Well the shafts made it. Now I'm afraid to open the frigging box.
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Well the shafts made it. Now I'm afraid to open the frigging box.
rofl rofl rofl rofl OK, open it already. ;D ;D ;D
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Well I did a few minutes ago. Got the frame on the trailer FINISHED and ready for sandblasting tomorrow before did though. IF these things are as good as they LOOK it was worth the wait. Still gotta check their fit in the cv's.
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Well I did a few minutes ago. Got the frame on the trailer FINISHED and ready for sandblasting tomorrow before did though. IF these things are as good as they LOOK it was worth the wait. Still gotta check their fit in the cv's.
That's good to hear! Post up some pics. 8) 8) 8)
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Doing it as you typed!
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more
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Looks good! :o :o :o How far can those shafts slide in and out of each other?
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About 6" total spline length but haven't really checked. I've got zero plunge needed but ifg I want to mess with alignment I can . also if there's any deflection or maybe something gets bent I wanted some plunge since these cv's are non plunging. Hence the slip shaft axles.
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Damn those look really nice!
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The slip tube has an internal seal that should keep grease where it belongs. The OD of the inner slip tube has some plastic type wear surface on it that appears to be one of the very wear resistant types. The seal is quite a good seal as the tube is a bit tough, but not difficult in the least, to plunge due to suction/pressure. If they are used in a long plunge application I'd think some bleed would be needed. Maybe not. If there's no issue with durability I will be quite pleased to have these instead of a solid axle. I see no reason,at this point, for there to be any issues.
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Ok welders. Which weld,IN YOUR OPINION is best? The one on the left or on the right? One is hand and the other machine. Know which is which?
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Yeah that blue coating is a pretty tough anti-friction coating. Seen lots of truck driveshafts where basically everything is kaput except for the blue coating!
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Ok welders. Which weld,IN YOUR OPINION is best? The one on the left or on the right? One is hand and the other machine. Know which is which?
I like the one on the right, and I think the one on the left is hand welded.
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Have my fingers crossed. May be solo this time, depends on which week. Definitly change the day I arrive and leave, not missing Fast's meal again.
hope to see you there agian! and doug!
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for some reason i was thinking they were building them with the ballbearing slides ( like k-fabs) instead of spline on spline! they do look nice and I hope they hold up especially all that wait!!!
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just curious, is it best to have the slip in the middle of the axle or close to one end?
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With zero ,or near zero, plunge I see no need for ball splines. Personally I think that any design that plunges so much a person thinks they need ball splines should redesign the suspension geometry. I think it makes very little difference where the slip is . The amount of slop that will develop with large plunge numbers due to spline wear would concern me on any axle.
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With zero ,or near zero, plunge I see no need for ball splines. Personally I think that any design that plunges so much a person thinks they need ball splines should redesign the suspension geometry. I think it makes very little difference where the slip is . The amount of slop that will develop with large plunge numbers due to spline wear would concern me on any axle.
I kind of like the idea of the ball spline but so far what I have seen they need more r&d! did they atleast balance them?
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IMO a ball spline is just a bandaid for bad design.
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fabbr if when you get a chance would you weigh one axle? I'm curious what they weigh.
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Shipping was listed as 35#'s for the pair. I'll try to remember to weigh one tonite. Gonna shoot black ink over the frame this evening.
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Gonna shoot black ink over the frame this evening.
I'd use paint instead.
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Transman:
You made a post here, but it locked the thread? Don't know what it was, so i split my nonsense post and then deleted yours and mine posts. Repost?
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Yummi, I was just laughing my ^ss off, at your post, with the that colorful flag for master! ;D ;D ;D
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Shipping was listed as 35#'s for the pair. I'll try to remember to weigh one tonite. Gonna shoot black ink over the frame this evening.
I was just wondering because when you go from a solid drive shaft to a plunging shaft the added components just about doubles the weight. I am just trying to compare apples to oranges here!
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I'd guess that's about right.
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Ok welders. Which weld,IN YOUR OPINION is best? The one on the left or on the right? One is hand and the other machine. Know which is which?
I can now tell you which one FOOKING BROKE!!!! DAMMIT!!!!! Guess I'll see how long it takes to get them to fix this shiot IF they even will. Hell I can TIG the FOOKING THING back together a hell of a lot better than that BS. See why I questioned that crap now???????????? Anyone think I MIGHT be a bit pissed?????? thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down thumb down These fookers aren't even half way welded to the root of the joint. I'm betting the stupid fooker that welded these didn't bevel the joint ,used no filler,and thought since it was a nice neat fooking stack of fricken dimes it was a solid weld. Dumb ass !!!!!!!! nono nono nono nono
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I take it that Master got his fueling problem figured out. eyes eyes Sarcasm
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rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl Ya think????????? ;D ;D
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Of course a person always thinks the worst so I was thinking something in the adapter went south or the 091 didn't like being in 3rd and hammered in 1st,2nd and 3rd while cutting do nuts in the hard pack. LOL!!! Hell,I'm damn glad it was someone elses high dollar crap instead of my stuff---------------so far anyway.
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I did get to "speak'' to them late yesterday. I was told they would do everything they could to make it right. Said they would call or email me Monday to discuss it directly.Of course if you read this topic from start to here you will see that that may or may not be a reliable statement. I'm thinking they should send me a replacement set,I keep these till here,weld these properly if RCV doesn't come thru in time or even at all. This shit really does piss me off . I mean the incompetence of their welder is at the root of this. If you enlarge the pics and look closely you will see that the fusion only weld wasn't even on center of the joint. Only the edge of the weld pool was near the joint! I'll get better pics of that later today. .
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holy shit! didn't this happen to k-fab with the axle he tried to use way back when? I don't think they were made by rcv but I don't know for sure. either than this how was the feel?
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the side that didn't break has a 1 good sized mig weld and 1 tig weld but in the pic of the broken one is that 2 tig welds?
ok I know this statement might stir up a hornets nest but I'm going to say it anyway, I believe that a fat mig weld can be stronger than a thin tig weld. I had a buddy (allan) have a pair of drive shafts made ( I know apples to oranges ) at the company I have mine made. they took 2 weeks, and his first thrashing one of the mig welds snapped similar to yours above. he took them back that monday and the welder ( steve ) was so embarrassed and mad at himself he had a new one made by the end of the day, no charge! he decided at that point to quit trying to make small petite welds with the mig and went to fat welds then balanced on the offroad builds, no problems since. now allan was the only one that ever snapped one but he also has a heavy v-6 with 1650 uncut elimanators paddles too!
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Enlarge the pic below. The redline is where the weld bead centerline SHOULD have been. I agree that a good weld will be nothing like the one in the pic even tho it "sure is purdy!".
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Couple better pics.
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Enlarge the pic below. The redline is where the weld bead centerline SHOULD have been. I agree that a good weld will be nothing like the one in the pic even tho it "sure is purdy!".
I see why it broke and they can't deny that! but what I'm referring to is in this pic there is a mig weld then a step down to the tig weld but on the busted axle there is a tig weld then straight to the axle, I don't see the step down or mig weld. what am I missing or did a chunk fly off?
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Look at one of the earlier pics of the entire axle. it should be fairly apparent then.
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Holly crap faber. I couldn't believe how clean they broke off till I looked closer to the weld. Epoxy may have been stronger!
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ok, I was just seeing the 2 different ends. I thought maybe they made you 2 different axles for some reason. I hope they warranty them ASAP! given there past practice's, well you know damn well about that one!
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If I hear anything other than "we guarantee" your replacements will be there in 10 days or less I'm talking directly with the owner Monday morning. Surprise,surprise,that's what it took last time.
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Holly crap faber. I couldn't believe how clean they broke off till I looked closer to the weld. Epoxy may have been stronger!
rofl I was thinking spit might have been better. ;D ;D All I can really say is that their "welder" needs to learn that steady hands and picture perfect welds do not necessarily make sound welded connections. Fooking moron/s. I did state that it appeared it was a fusion only weld at first glance. NO! It IS a filler added weld. A weld of approx 1/3 penetration depth,does anyone believe the welder did not realize that at the time? I'm betting that it was SPECIFIED that the weld be done that way. I mean "everyone knows a MC car doesn't have any HP" so why worry about strong? Just make it pretty.
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About 9:00 this morning I get an e mail and a call from RCV. A Fed-Ex call tag was issued and they are waiting for pickup,next day delivery to RCV. Kraig @RCV has assured me that I will have the axles back this week with the 4 pretty as hell crap TIG welds cut out and properly welded. He admitted they were having issues at the time I bought these axles and says that things are different now. Time will tell but if these axles are not back in my grubby little hands no later than Monday I will again, as last time,be contacting the owner directly. Don't have time to screw around with this. LS is coming! I will say though that I feel they are sincere about getting them back to me ASAP. Now to see...................
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Sounds promising eyes eyes hopfully they got their act together.
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About 9:00 this morning I get an e mail and a call from RCV. A Fed-Ex call tag was issued and they are waiting for pickup,next day delivery to RCV. Kraig @RCV has assured me that I will have the axles back this week with the 4 pretty as hell crap TIG welds cut out and properly welded. He admitted they were having issues at the time I bought these axles and says that things are different now. Time will tell but if these axles are not back in my grubby little hands no later than Monday I will again, as last time,be contacting the owner directly. Don't have time to screw around with this. LS is coming! I will say though that I feel they are sincere about getting them back to me ASAP. Now to see...................
that's an understatment!
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Thanks to the stupid ass FedEx online shipping BS the axles were not picked up till this morning. Anyone want a frustrating experience? Try out the NEW and IMPROVED FedEx BS. Really should be called FedUp. The dumbasses couldn't even tell me if the thing was really scheduled for pick up OR who was to pay the shipping costs. eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes eyes Can't ANYONE make it simple ?????? Seems like everything has to be a cluster fook anymore.
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Well,happy to report that the axles held up to this weeks abuse. I gotta admit I'm not happy with the appearance of 1 of the repaired welds but it gave no sign of any issues. To RCV's credit they have gone the extra step in the timely repair and concern with follow up contact. I will stii get the x-rays done when our refinery has them back out so it doesn't cost me. ;D ;D Anyway,Kraig/RCV,thanks!