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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2018, 11:52:08 AM »
.095 is USUALLY plenty,IMO.  What is your target weight approximately?
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2018, 12:15:48 PM »
fabr is correct........ on 1.25" od for a mini .095 wall in a good 1018 or 1020 dom is plenty and properly braced. in fact i would prob use .083 wall for the up and down bracing and .095 for the main frame members that carry shocks and engine cradle. make sure and spread the load well where motor mounts, shocks and suspension tabs are attached.
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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2018, 12:22:55 PM »
previously I used 1.125" OD tube...  is 1.25" preferred?
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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2018, 12:43:17 PM »
fabr is correct........ on 1.25" od for a mini .095 wall in a good 1018 or 1020 dom is plenty and properly braced. in fact i would prob use .083 wall for the up and down bracing and .095 for the main frame members that carry shocks and engine cradle. make sure and spread the load well where motor mounts, shocks and suspension tabs are attached.
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« Reply #19 on: August 27, 2018, 01:09:44 PM »
previously I used 1.125" OD tube...  is 1.25" preferred?

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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2018, 10:34:32 AM »
So I'm getting prices of $5-5.50/foot for Dom from my local steel places. That seems high.  Two of them their "steel guy" recommended that I should be using their "mechanical HREW round tube" which is $1.50/ft.   Any more advice from you guys based on that?
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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2018, 10:58:02 AM »
I think you should look for another supplier. Yes,that is high,IMO. There is a big difference in hot rolled tube and cold rolled DOM .  DOM will have consistent wall thickness and will reliably bend in the bender. It will also weld up much nicer.Anything hot rolled will have mill scale on/in it and is a PITA to do quality welds. I would never,ever use HREW for a cage. Their "steel guy" is just trying to sell you what they have on hand and likely do not have a good source for DOM. I hate it when a vendor "recommends" an inferior alternative  just to make a sale.
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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2018, 11:31:08 AM »
i have to agree with fabr. electric weld tube is not prefferred as it does not have a uniform wall thickness and it has a welded raised seem (inside). dom is a uniform wall thickness so no thin/thick spots. now if you really want to use erw tube then go .120 wall. now if i remember right the erw isnt offered in .120 but rather 11gauge. anyway there is a price diff and with the new terriffs i dont know what its gone into. now in the small town of norfolk it will be higher than lincoln or omaha.
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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2018, 11:59:07 AM »
Its funny because not only do we have a massive Nucor steel plant, right next door is Norfolk Iron & metal which sells steel globally.. yet they wont sell to a random person.  I've called several places in the Omaha area, as well as the Sioux City area and noone has 1.25" x .095" DOM..  Crazy.   Not that I need it Immediately but heck, id like to find a decently priced source.  I found it online for $3.67/ft but with a $1000 delivery charge lol. Cant win.
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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2018, 04:10:15 PM »
Just had a refreshing phone call from a company I had previously bought metal from.  Called them yesterday for a quote on 1.25"x0.095" DOM tube.  The owner who I know calls me up and says: "Matt...do you know what DOM is?"  I say "drawn over mandrel, smooth interior, consistent thickness tube"...  he says "No seam.  Its MACHINED!!!.... I can get it to you for $26.73 per foot"   I was in shock...  like what??   I told him other places were around $5/ft.   He goes off on a rage and screams at me to stop wasting his effing time, to quit blowing smoke up his a$$ that DOM is machined tube and super pricey and that the steel places are not selling me true DOM.    So i texted him the screenshot of my other quotes lol.   Told me to buy it from them cause its not real DOM and to stop wasting his f*cking time.     

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« Reply #25 on: August 28, 2018, 05:13:46 PM »
First off DOM is NOT machined .  It starts out just like CREW(cold rolled electric resistance welded) which is usually 1010 steel. Dom is usually from 1020 or 1026 which is slightly stronger to start with and is identical to CREW at that point. It becomes DOM after it is Drawn Over Mandrel. It DOES have a seam but the cold working process (DOM)makes the seam nearly undectable and for all intents and purposes seamless . It does have a seam though.  Then there is true seamless such as CDS (cold drawn seamless) that is actually made by being extruded.

IMO ,the arrogant asshole that you know and quoted you CDS just because you incorrectly told him DOM is seamless (most people refer to DOM as seamless) is an absolute asshole. He knows what you are wanting it for and IF he had a brain would have directed you to what he should have KNOWN you were after or politely declined. Same with the other places. Keep looking for a supplier that is in your area that deals in it,there HAS to be one somewhere near you.   
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« Reply #26 on: August 28, 2018, 05:16:34 PM »
Here's a link to a good description of the types of tube and briefly how made by people that know what they are selling.

https://www.metalsupermarkets.com/difference-between-erw-dom-and-seamless-tube/

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« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2018, 05:25:17 PM »
BTW,that $1k freight quote is BS. The amount of tube you'd need shouldn't cost much more than maybe $250. Most suppliers get big,really big freight discounts that you and I do not.
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« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2018, 05:37:42 PM »
Ive been saying 200-300ft... I used that much last time.  Maybe I need a more minimalist design ha.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2018, 06:03:28 PM »
Here's a link to a good description of the types of tube and briefly how made by people that know what they are selling.

https://www.metalsupermarkets.com/difference-between-erw-dom-and-seamless-tube/

very good infor right there.
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