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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #195 on: April 02, 2024, 05:22:57 PM »
I bought a spare converter seal from Fortin about 6 years ago. While converter is out I thought I should put the new one in and save the old one for just in case. I took the seal out of the box and the damn thing was used !!!!!! I called Fortin to get a new one and a spare since the seal is custom made just for the Fortin setup. Just for grins and giggles I mentioned the "new" seal being obviously used that I had received years ago. I was just laughing and wasn't expecting it be made good. WAY too much time has passed. The guy said he thought they would do a bit of price adjusting. We'll see when the invoice gets here. The damn things are $69 each. Hell ,if they only pay the freight I'd be happy. Not going to be mad either way. I should have opened the box way back.
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« Reply #196 on: April 02, 2024, 06:31:44 PM »
Thats sucks.  I am guilty of not opening packages to inspect myself. Bit me a time or two and definitely sucks. Glad they were even willing to do anything but seems like a good company.
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« Reply #197 on: April 02, 2024, 06:39:53 PM »
Here are pics of gen 1 and gen 2 pbs mid engine shifter. Chrome one is gen 2. Black one i just cut out.



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« Reply #198 on: April 02, 2024, 06:44:25 PM »








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« Reply #199 on: April 02, 2024, 06:48:50 PM »












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« Reply #200 on: April 02, 2024, 07:01:56 PM »
Knocked off 10%. Better than nothing especially since I expected nothing.  :nw
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #201 on: April 02, 2024, 07:09:39 PM »












Holy Shit! Glad you are dealing with that. Reminds me of the PITA the busa buggy 091 shifter was. Fortunately the busa sequential was primary shifted. 091 was mostly for reverse and first/second for loading/crawling.
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #202 on: April 03, 2024, 07:40:21 AM »
The 091 is nice as in its a single shift shaft. The hv24 has 2 shift shafts as seen in the diagrams above. Both have to be used for mid engine.

I got it shifting correctly last night.  Tacked new shifter in and reversed cable throw. Need to dial in ran lengths to shorten throw and ease of effort on shifter now. Would be far cleaner with a bell crank but then thats another point of Play and or failure. Tried a couple different routes. The rear cable mount is jerry rigged clamped in place. I am tired of cutting tack welds loose.







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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #203 on: April 03, 2024, 08:44:15 AM »
The 091 is nice as in its a single shift shaft. The hv24 has 2 shift shafts as seen in the diagrams above. Both have to be used for mid engine.

I got it shifting correctly last night.  Tacked new shifter in and reversed cable throw. Need to dial in ran lengths to shorten throw and ease of effort on shifter now. Would be far cleaner with a bell crank but then thats another point of Play and or failure. Tried a couple different routes. The rear cable mount is jerry rigged clamped in place. I am tired of cutting tack welds loose.






That looks like a real pain, I do not understand the two shift shafts.  Glad you are making progress.  Makes my engine rebuild look simple! 



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« Reply #204 on: April 03, 2024, 11:23:44 AM »
Deep Busch, I asked above but never heard.......what happened to your motor to nessitate a full rebuild?

Technically,  one could use one shaft to do both. They instruct not too and I agree, it does shift smoother using 2 shafts. According to weddle, these hv24 and 25,'s were designed around the baja 500 racers. Most generally the 250 too 300  hp class. When I first heard that. I thought hmmmm why rest on such low power units if your going to rate it at 600 hp input. Sean said that Baja runs wot the vast majority of the 500 miles. Sand rails make short bursts but no real sustained pulls like the desert floor of Baja 500.  They split the shift shafts to end missed shifts in the race class's.   Thatscwhat I was told, I'm going to choose to belive it until it pisses me off then I won't  LMAO

Mid engine is a tiny tiny part of the market as they are difficult to build.

The fun part will be designing and building a rev lock out. It right and up.   I can see hitting rev speed shifting 3rd. !!
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« Reply #205 on: April 03, 2024, 11:52:12 AM »
I was wanting to go up to 400 hp on the engine, but I did not have a closed deck or good crank.  I did a compression test before I tore it down and all were within 2 lbs of each other, but when I did a leak down test, the intake valves on #3 were whistling pretty good.  Had them rebuilt and they broke a bolt off in the head and didn't tell me (they might have broke it on the final assy and didn't know?).   Got the bolt out but it was a hard bolt to find.  Special stepped shoulder bolt to align the cam bearing cap.  The new turbo won't fit, the intake manifold wouldn't fit, the water crossover hit a vent tube, etc.  Just the joys of new build/  But I am powering thru it.  I did get to use my new bridgeport to ream out the heads for larger 1/2" head studs. 

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« Reply #206 on: April 03, 2024, 01:22:47 PM »
I was wanting to go up to 400 hp on the engine, but I did not have a closed deck or good crank.  I did a compression test before I tore it down and all were within 2 lbs of each other, but when I did a leak down test, the intake valves on #3 were whistling pretty good.  Had them rebuilt and they broke a bolt off in the head and didn't tell me (they might have broke it on the final assy and didn't know?).   Got the bolt out but it was a hard bolt to find.  Special stepped shoulder bolt to align the cam bearing cap.  The new turbo won't fit, the intake manifold wouldn't fit, the water crossover hit a vent tube, etc.  Just the joys of new build/  But I am powering thru it.  I did get to use my new bridgeport to ream out the heads for larger 1/2" head studs.

I know yours has run great for some time. Best guess where it was 9n hp before rebuild? I know 400 chp is the goal just wondering what the step up might be?

What did the builder say about breaking the bolt OFF?

that all sucksvexcept playing with the Bridgeport!

BrianN enjoys rebuilding the suby engines ..... just ask him  ;) ;D

Your def having a challenging time like I have been.
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #207 on: April 03, 2024, 02:43:40 PM »


I know yours has run great for some time. Best guess where it was 9n hp before rebuild? I know 400 chp is the goal just wondering what the step up might be?

What did the builder say about breaking the bolt OFF?

that all sucksvexcept playing with the Bridgeport!

BrianN enjoys rebuilding the suby engines ..... just ask him  ;) ;D

Your def having a challenging time like I have been.

Outfront said my old engine S/B 320hp.  Going from 10lbs to 15lbs boost, I have heard that getting into the teens on boost will really wake up a subi.  I ran the setup for 12 years.  I wanted to go up to 17 or 18lbs (just to have bragging rights over Mike  LMAO) but John wanted me to have a boost controller if I was going over 15lbs, I didn't want to mess with one. 

I didn't even talk to the builder, I already had the heads installed before I realized the bolt was broke.  The bolt broke off about 3/8" down into the hole, so I made a bushing on the lathe to fit the hole then used a left handed drill bit.  My wife said "They make drill bits for left handed people?"   LMAO  I was nice in my reply. 

I am only going to run 10lbs boost this next trip as I don't have time to get it on a dyno.  But it will be cool to see the difference in the newer style turbo and how it spools up/ 

I bought the bridgeport from Jerry and added a DRO to it.  Still need to add the 3rd axis, just haven't had time. 

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #208 on: April 03, 2024, 02:48:29 PM »
And Outfront won't update my ECU for 15lbs boost, said there are too many variables.  He said I should get it on a dyno.  I do understand that there are a lot of variables in play(intercooler, compression, cam, turbo, etc). 

Mike is set up for 15lbs with a tune from them, I wonder how hard it would be to copy his and update mine?  DS?  Enemy?  it is an EMS brand ECU, Stinger model.  He said that the tunes were not locked. 

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #209 on: April 03, 2024, 06:45:34 PM »
I was wanting to go up to 400 hp on the engine, but I did not have a closed deck or good crank.  I did a compression test before I tore it down and all were within 2 lbs of each other, but when I did a leak down test, the intake valves on #3 were whistling pretty good.  Had them rebuilt and they broke a bolt off in the head and didn't tell me (they might have broke it on the final assy and didn't know?).   Got the bolt out but it was a hard bolt to find.  Special stepped shoulder bolt to align the cam bearing cap.  The new turbo won't fit, the intake manifold wouldn't fit, the water crossover hit a vent tube, etc.  Just the joys of new build/  But I am powering thru it.  I did get to use my new bridgeport to ream out the heads for larger 1/2" head studs.
Gotta love those old Bridgeports. I use mine all the time.Could not live/build stuff without it.
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but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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