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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #225 on: April 05, 2024, 11:32:59 AM »
It doesn't need to be permanent. Use a slip on extension,sealed up well for the tune session. Remove it after the tune session,run in open loop. The drawback to not running an O2 is no compensation for varying air conditions/altitude. It will only consider throttle position and  and airflow or mass. It will not be able to hit target AFR's via the O2.
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #226 on: April 05, 2024, 11:40:10 AM »
I am losing my enthusiasm for this whole deal.  May need a new ECU, they don't make the stinger any longer anyway.  I have a name of another dyno shop here local and may try them.   

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« Reply #227 on: April 05, 2024, 11:57:37 AM »
Where is that can of worms? Oh there it is ,we already opened it..................
"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #228 on: April 05, 2024, 02:57:44 PM »
I am losing my enthusiasm for this whole deal.  May need a new ECU, they don't make the stinger any longer anyway.  I have a name of another dyno shop here local and may try them.

So your ecu is like my megasand trans  :m

If I were considering a modern open source ecu and I had a tuner in mind I want ed to use locally, I would call and ask which ecu he know best.

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #229 on: April 05, 2024, 03:05:31 PM »
I called Wichita dyno and they only work on domestic engines.  Maybe I didn't think this all the way thru.  I think I will just bolt a holley carb to it

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #230 on: April 05, 2024, 05:59:31 PM »
I called Wichita dyno and they only work on domestic engines.  Maybe I didn't think this all the way thru.  I think I will just bolt a holley carb to it
 

Wonder when they changed policies? 

As far as the holly idea.  ;D


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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #231 on: April 05, 2024, 08:39:34 PM »
I haven't kept up with all that is available but I would consider Holley EFI. Not the base units though. I forget the name right now.I agree with DS about using a tuner that is very familiar with whatever you decide to use. That or learn to tune/log/tune/log/tune etc. yourself. I personally recommend that. If you understand tune basics ,and I think you do,it is not all that difficult. The bonus is that you KNOW your system when it tells you to pound sand. :D :D :m
"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #232 on: April 05, 2024, 08:45:29 PM »
I called Wichita dyno and they only work on domestic engines.  Maybe I didn't think this all the way thru.  I think I will just bolt a holley carb to it
 

Wonder when they changed policies? 

As far as the holly idea.  ;D


I think both Glenn and Jerry were not really happy with their subi tunes. Maybe Chris found it best to concentrate on a well known segment of the aftermarket performance . I mean everyone has an LS and tunes are basically available everywhere. Not hard to just cut and paste an appropriate one in and presto! you're tuned.
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"There can be no divided allegiance here.  Any man who says he is an American,
but something else also, isn't an American at all.  We have room for but one
flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is
the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a
loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #233 on: April 07, 2024, 08:28:12 AM »
I am losing my enthusiasm for this whole deal.  May need a new ECU, they don't make the stinger any longer anyway.  I have a name of another dyno shop here local and may try them.

What engine do you run again?? Factory butchered harness??
There are a couple plug-and-play options out there for a Subaru using a factory style harness. Otherwise update to a modern stand alone ECU with all the options. Holly, Link, MS3 all do the same thing, it is how many inputs and outputs the board supports. I have run them all but keep going back to the MS platform because of the tuning software that runs it. (I cant stand the clunky feel of the holly terminator software)
https://www.diyautotune.com/product/ms3pro-mini-standalone-engine-management-system-w-harness/
This is the new MS3, excellent bang for the buck. Wire it in, set up your project, hit the MS forum and grab a base timing map and start tuning.
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #234 on: April 08, 2024, 08:30:21 AM »
Throwing out my 2 cents. I use CB Performances ecu on my trike motor. it is completely unlocked and tunable.  the same ecu can be used on a subaru Motor. Mark at CB Performance has allways been helpful with set up. mark can VPN to your ecu and assist with the tune. for a fee of course. i have been very happy with the tune on my VW motor. i can't say what his Subaru tuning skill set is,  but it might be worth the call. https://www.cbperformance.com/Injection-Kits-s/288.htm

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #235 on: April 08, 2024, 08:47:04 AM »
Throwing out my 2 cents. I use CB Performances ecu on my trike motor. it is completely unlocked and tunable.  the same ecu can be used on a subaru Motor. Mark at CB Performance has allways been helpful with set up. mark can VPN to your ecu and assist with the tune. for a fee of course. i have been very happy with the tune on my VW motor. i can't say what his Subaru tuning skill set is,  but it might be worth the call. https://www.cbperformance.com/Injection-Kits-s/288.htm

Good info !

Didn't you have your suby tuned by chris?

What ecu was that?
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #236 on: April 08, 2024, 08:50:08 AM »
I haven't kept up with all that is available but I would consider Holley EFI. Not the base units though. I forget the name right now.I agree with DS about using a tuner that is very familiar with whatever you decide to use. That or learn to tune/log/tune/log/tune etc. yourself. I personally recommend that. If you understand tune basics ,and I think you do,it is not all that difficult. The bonus is that you KNOW your system when it tells you to pound sand. :D :D :m

This absolutely true!!
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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #237 on: April 08, 2024, 01:27:47 PM »
This pic is from Ron Williams, he rebuilds transaxles. This one 8s an s4.  He said the owner g'd out to hard at the bottom of the dune and broke the case.  So I consider that bottoming out really bad and I have to wonder how hard they felt it.

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #238 on: April 08, 2024, 03:17:35 PM »
DS, sorry your thread got highjacked.  This is the last post on this, when I have more questions I will start a new thread.  Thanks for inputs everyone, I am also looking at MoTec because the shop in Tulsa uses them and you can get a tune for a subi 2.5 turbo which will at least get it running. 

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Re: I want it i need it.....its time
« Reply #239 on: April 08, 2024, 03:37:09 PM »
Throwing out my 2 cents. I use CB Performances ecu on my trike motor. it is completely unlocked and tunable.  the same ecu can be used on a subaru Motor. Mark at CB Performance has allways been helpful with set up. mark can VPN to your ecu and assist with the tune. for a fee of course. i have been very happy with the tune on my VW motor. i can't say what his Subaru tuning skill set is,  but it might be worth the call. https://www.cbperformance.com/Injection-Kits-s/288.htm

Good info !

Didn't you have your suby tuned by chris?

What ecu was that?
not the 2.5 suby. i had him attempted to do the 2.0 suby. i basically ran into the same thing as fabr. when i got home and put it in the sand,it would put me in a limp mode. i finally dumped the old program back in it. that motor is still running in my buddy's street car just fine.

 

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